Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Lost Butterfly]

I’m against a mass claim unless I get a pretty good reason why we should mass claim. It just seems like fishing to me. LB also needs to explain what they did with the info they already had. D1 or D2 they were asking for claims and said they’d explain later so they can either explain or link me to where they already explained.

Relevant.

I think we should massclaim because we're a day away from LYLO, traditional scumhunting is failing us, and everyone knows where the power roles are concentrated, anyway. And I think in a set-up this complex, at least one person is guaranteed to mess up their claim somewhere. My

only

best skill as a scumhunter is catching people in role contradictions and scumslips. And that's leaving aside roles like Market Analyst or Coroner that could do all sorts of delicious things with the results.

Oddly, though, I think I

like

Nero's refusal to massclaim. This probably makes me a terrible person.

On that note, Voided, Nero, Espeonage, and ProHawk, who did you send money last night? And ProHawk, who did you send money on N3?

[1baldeagle1]

Well...you're allowed to have

thoughts

on it, but you know what I mean.

What about it that wasn't scummy to you? I thought it was pretty scummy when I first saw it.

I'm pretty sure I already gave my thoughts on why I found that vote to be in a natural place on Day 4. But you first. What exactly

was

scummy about it?

Also, what's your current read on Muffin?

I said it already, but I can say it again. It did not feel natural to me, it smelled of scum desperately trying to lynch a universal townread. Also, I know I shouldn't be making this an alignment indicative thing, but I can't help but notice that uwop goes inactive soon as there is a wagon on him.

Muffin is null-town for me.

Why are we all scumreading uwop, but not lynching him?

[Lost Butterfly]

In that case:

Wrt upsides vote on pie

Because chainsaw defense on muffin.

Define "chainsaw defense" in your own words.

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.10

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

uʍop ǝpısdn (3): 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Espeonage
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan
BBmolla (2): Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri
zMuffinMan (1): Nero Cain
Espeonage (1): pieguyn

Not Voting (4): VoidedMafia, Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn

Deadline for Day 5 is Thursday, December 5th, at 4:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-12-05 16:00:00)

[Ghostly Penguin]

LB, if this is multiball, does potential LyLo still apply?

Having said that, given that PRs auctioned off are temporary, getting more info from mass claiming them/their results isn't a bad idea.

--PA

[Espeonage]

Hey guys, I have been reading, I'll post somthing more substantial later today, I do have to duck out for a few hours, but I'll be back after that.

[pieguyn]

pieguyn, question. When you replaced in, were you sent a PM with all your predecessor's actions?

guille made a QT and all the actions were in there. Magua just sent me a link to the QT.

[ProHawk]

Right, so I had time last night to work on this (go figure), and will hopefully have time later tonight. LB, if you had a scum-result on me, it would be because you are scum.

[Espeonage]

I’m against a mass claim unless I get a pretty good reason why we should mass claim. It just seems like fishing to me. LB also needs to explain what they did with the info they already had. D1 or D2 they were asking for claims and said they’d explain later so they can either explain or link me to where they already explained.

Relevant.

I think we should massclaim because we're a day away from LYLO, traditional scumhunting is failing us, and everyone knows where the power roles are concentrated, anyway. And I think in a set-up this complex, at least one person is guaranteed to mess up their claim somewhere. My

only

best skill as a scumhunter is catching people in role contradictions and scumslips. And that's leaving aside roles like Market Analyst or Coroner that could do all sorts of delicious things with the results.

Oddly, though, I think I

like

Nero's refusal to massclaim. This probably makes me a terrible person.

On that note, Voided, Nero, Espeonage, and ProHawk, who did you send money last night? And ProHawk, who did you send money on N3?

I sent no money and bid all of my money on an ability I did not receive because I figured either a town with alot of money would make a bid and scum wouldn't spend too much (but enough to make a sizable bid essential) and so I went that route to ensure scum didn't pick it up.

[Espeonage]

Also, I mentioned this yesterday or the day before, but Garuda always seemed to be pushing or at least early on all of the wagons against the chronic lurkers, which seems to indicate a sense of wanting to get town early so they can coast later. Which is why I'm not going to be against joining a wagon on them at some point. I would like to have a think on what wagon I want to join though. I feel like last night's actions should probably be outed. LB does raise a good point that we need info.

Unvote

[pieguyn]

I’m against a mass claim unless I get a pretty good reason why we should mass claim. It just seems like fishing to me. LB also needs to explain what they did with the info they already had. D1 or D2 they were asking for claims and said they’d explain later so they can either explain or link me to where they already explained.

Relevant.

I think we should massclaim because we're a day away from LYLO, traditional scumhunting is failing us, and everyone knows where the power roles are concentrated, anyway. And I think in a set-up this complex, at least one person is guaranteed to mess up their claim somewhere. My

only

best skill as a scumhunter is catching people in role contradictions and scumslips. And that's leaving aside roles like Market Analyst or Coroner that could do all sorts of delicious things with the results.

Oddly, though, I think I

like

Nero's refusal to massclaim. This probably makes me a terrible person.

On that note, Voided, Nero, Espeonage, and ProHawk, who did you send money last night? And ProHawk, who did you send money on N3?

^ this

plus I'm dying tonight so I might as well out everything anyway

[ProHawk]

I didn't give anyone money last night.

[zMuffinMan]

i don't like the idea of a full mass claim. maybe if it was a surprise and we just did it without warning, but by now scum have had enough time to check, double-check, etc whatever they're going to claim and i doubt you're going to catch any mistakes. all i can see it doing is giving scum an advantage with future auctions.

[zMuffinMan]

I can't help but notice that uwop goes inactive soon as there is a wagon on him.

N was the only active head of that hydra and he's currently V/LA or something, i think

Having said that, given that PRs auctioned off are temporary, getting more info from mass claiming them/their results isn't a bad idea.

actually, this i'd be fine with instead of a full mass claim

[Espeonage]

I also think that at this point in the game that people making bad decisions should be held accountable. This is a serious mechanic that forms the crux of this game, and I don't think that enough is getting out. Mainly because all the people making actions are getting killed at night before they can reveal any sort of results. Which actually raises an interesting point. I think I might go back and look for clues and breadcrumbs to results. I feel that morph would have from what I know of those two and possibly others. We're just losing alot of information by the way we've organised this pool of people that are not only read as town, but also the ones doing everything that scum can pick and choose which to kill before they can reveal.

And that, I feel is where scum are nailing us, in the night game.

[pieguyn]

And that, I feel is where scum are nailing us, in the night game.

no scum is nailing us because we've only lynched 1 scum out of 6 and we've lynched 3 townies in a row

this just seems like scum trying to widen the lynch pool to give themselves more possibilities for mislynches

we need to start fucking lynching scum and we're starting with you

[pieguyn]

*2 townies in a row
3 total and it'll be 3 in a row if we keep fucking around like this > <

[Espeonage]

@Pie: I'm interested that you seem so intent on my lynch for a read that started today. As I recall from when I read your posts, you did have other options you were willing to follow. Have those disappeared?

[pieguyn]

in case you forgot, I wanted to quicklynch your predecessor on D2. then I started playing like shit on D3/D4 and forgot all about it

also I hate your response. you're not even trying to refute what I've said about you and you're instead trying to redirect me onto others by pointing that I was suspecting others today. and plus, where'd you get the idea that I'm intent on your lynch? I've been acting like this towards uwop and zmuffin too, but I obv moved onto others after questioning them.

my other options haven't disappeared, but after that post I'm not so sure if I wanna take any other options ~

[Espeonage]

"We need to start lynching scum and we're starting with you" seemed pretty adamant.

[pieguyn]

we need to lynch this today. not at MYLO/LYLO, immediately. even though I'm relatively sure, I'm not quite as sure about him as I am of uwop, but doing this today will give us the most information for MYLO tomorrow. I don't want to have to make a really tough decision somewhere down the road and leave everyone open for large possibility for error.

and that doesn't seem adamant to you? it's pretty much the same thing 0.0

[Espeonage]

One is more recent than the other.

[pieguyn]

I don't see what that has to do with anything

[Espeonage]

Well if someone seems intent on lynching someone then later seems intent on lynching someone else, that would, to most people, infer that they want to lynch the more recent person.

[ProHawk]

LB - the only time I transferred money to anyone was N2. After that, I decided it was pointless, dumb, and was greedy.

For those of you with me on the scum-list, why am I not being pushed today?

My vote on Upside Down is from my earlier scum read which I still believe to be accurate based on the Hermy stuffs. Here is my hypothetical question back to you LB.

Hypothetically

speaking... when upside down flips scum, is his "miniwagon" still horrible?