A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tammy]

Not sure I'm following why TA and Titus can't be same alignment but that would it make it easier if one flips town.

That's my theory based on reading Titus' notes. There's something in there that makes no sense if TA and Titus share a qt, unless she was just trying to sound uninformed, which is pretty farfetched.

and if it's only Tammy defending, well she's invisible so it's not like there is a major force against the lynch, so we'd be in the same position tomorrow only (assuming) with more posts from the slot to glean information on.

I know right? And if you all lynch him and he comes back town like I've been arguing, this invisible person will be bitching at a greater invisible level than when Thor was mislynched day one.

[Tammy]

Nothing. I've wanted to lynch it all of those days.

I'm not talking at you specifically.. I'm referring to the fact that after 6 days of the same shit... suddenly a TA lynch is cool... that doesn't raise an eyebrow for you?

It's not *that* cool. He actually still doesn't look like he's about to be lynched, somehow. IT would certianly raise an eyebrow but I could buy a "scum have suddenly decided to bus" argument just as easily. If anything I'm far more weirded out by the fact that hes still alive. A hypothetical town-TA has been lynchable all game, so why would they not try sooner? Sure, it could be a mislynch. Anything could be a mislynch. But there has been such a huge divergence between Syryana in this game and (I can FINALLY say this!) NY 164. Admittedly he didn't live long enough in that game to potentially fall off a cliff like he has here but I don't think it would have happened.

Syryana's iso in HunterxHunter in which he dropped off. I know that Syry has a tendency to drop out of games because we've hydrad where I've had to yell at him to come help me out with things. He keeps up, but often just gets wrapped up and right now mafia isn't his main goal. I mean I guess you could say replace out, and I guess that I agree with Benmage that he shouldn't get near endgame because he could very easily be being setup to be the mislynch there, but I still think he's town.

[Tammy]

So. Not lynching Borden here. But I still hate the lack of content, Llamarble. Come out and play!

!!!

[Tammy]

crap I literally just went through the people I want to discount as town and it's more than the amount of anti-town we know we have.

I suck.

[Titus]

Tammy, I don't think that MC's case requires a scum hammer to get a night kill. If it is, I totally misread that case.

[Tammy]

D1 - Thor hammered by PNJ
N1 - No kill
D2 - Amrun hammered by Spyrex
N2 - Macmollie killed
D3 - Spyrex hammered by Tierce
N3 - No kill
D4 - Quadz hammered by Goat on a Raft
N4 - Katsuki killed by Shadoweh
D5 - PNJ hammered by Borden
N5 - No kill
D6 - Goat on a Raft hammered by Borden
N6 - AGar killed

Guess who never got a chance to check in D6 to say who he blocked N5 and then got murdered the next night even though he wasn't in town block?

Borden is scum.

- Des

I thought that was the whole point of this, Titus.

[Titus]

No. To me, that was the hammer came in to prevent Agar from saying who he blocked and that's the scum motivation for the fast hammer.

[Messiah Complex]

D1 - Thor hammered by PNJ
N1 - No kill
D2 - Amrun hammered by Spyrex
N2 - Macmollie killed
D3 - Spyrex hammered by Tierce
N3 - No kill
D4 - Quadz hammered by Goat on a Raft
N4 - Katsuki killed by Shadoweh
D5 - PNJ hammered by Borden
N5 - No kill
D6 - Goat on a Raft hammered by Borden
N6 - AGar killed

Guess who never got a chance to check in D6 to say who he blocked N5 and then got murdered the next night even though he wasn't in town block?

Borden is scum.

- Des

I thought that was the whole point of this, Titus.

It's a working theory that was put together in conjunction with Agars nonsensical death.

[Titus]

Now that Tammy understands the theory... let's see her response.

[Messiah Complex]

Why do you have a face palm at the end of that there? Were you trying a gambit of sorts in regards to our theory?

[Titus]

No. The facepalm was more that I assumed Tammy understood your theory. I shouldn't have assumed.

[Tammy]

I read it as him saying that the scum had to hammer in order to get a night kill, so Spyrex's hammer led to the macmollie kill, and the day six hammer led to Agar's nightkill. Am I missing something, because if that's not part of what he's arguing then I don't know why he's so strongly arguing for Borden as scum based on the hammer.

[Cephrir]

They're arguing that AB quickhammered because Agar had blocked scum the previous night and they wanted to get rid of him before he checked in

[Messiah Complex]

I read it as him saying that the scum had to hammer in order to get a night kill, so Spyrex's hammer led to the macmollie kill, and the day six hammer led to Agar's nightkill. Am I missing something, because if that's not part of what he's arguing then I don't know why he's so strongly arguing for Borden as scum based on the hammer.

They're arguing that AB quickhammered because Agar had blocked scum the previous night and they wanted to get rid of him before he checked in

Both of these are accurate

- Des

[Messiah Complex]

With that said, I'm now counting Nacho, Tierce, Tammy, Ooba, and Cephrir as staunch "no" votes on Borden. That lynch is DOA today as far as we are concerned.

Unvote
Vote: The Alchemist

As long as Nacho hammers

- Des

[Alfred Borden]

Nothing. I've wanted to lynch it all of those days.

I'm not talking at you specifically.. I'm referring to the fact that after 6 days of the same shit... suddenly a TA lynch is cool... that doesn't raise an eyebrow for you?

If you're going to argue sucking is a towntell, kindly take a hike instead. I have seen Syryana play town and this is not it.

This is sidestepping my question, of where is the scum logic in what TA is doing...???

@Titus, pretty much samething. Yes we want TA lynched. But what do you think of TA lynch suddenly being viable D7... when TA's been doing the same dung for so long? No paranoia that he's mislynch bait whatsoever??? What do you think is the reasoning for TA's troll behavior?

This is a very difficult line of thought to fake.

A Brief History of Benmage:
Get very genuinely angry with Thor over "I am miller therefore conftown" drive him all the way to lynch claim success even when townflipped.
'SD is hilariously obvtown' post was town.
Let's lynch TA (continued efforts for long period).
As of today he wants to lynch me, talks about me being unlynchable later.
A smattering of "disagreeing with me is stupid" and "I don't even care if we lose" type stuff.

He definitely reads individually as town.
Relative read & structure read will have to wait for me to load this game into my brain harder.

[Alfred Borden]

In retrospect rule B3 probably would've stopped us from using Goat to doublehammer.
Garruk is interesting for a reason similar to Goat. Not the one from last line.
Garruk What were all your whores go results?

Alchemist has the solid fact going for him that he didn't coin a scumbuddy and use that to kill Tammy or SD or me.
If he and Tierce put on a show, that would be a WOW.
Anyhow, there is a lot of role information in play at this point.

AB - TOWN DRAGON; not powered by hammers; failed a song; did I claim anything else?
Tammy - Old-but-strong town. Loverized Syryana and fullclaimed to him
Tierce - Extremely strong townread haven't full reread because continued towning. Stuff!
Alchemist - Dayplay could be scum, but not horrible. Commuted to escape loving and became alch; coin.
SD - Meera Reed; vending tracking blocking.
Agar - Grey Wind; roleblocked Titus on a nokill night.
Garruk - Tyrion Lannister - hated, wherewhores, motivator gold power
Titus - Lightning rod
Amrun - Sansa ???
Thor - Hound Miller

I'm going to sleep (WTF HOW 7 AM) but I'll continue tomorrow.

[Shadoweh]

You remembered to mention the dead person but not me when I tried to target you? :V You're not very nice Llamarble. More importantly you talk about what Benmage said about TA, but do you agree with him that the sudden agreement on lynching TA after six days of waiting is weird?

[Cephrir]

A) Where is this alleged agreement?

B) By that token should we never lynch TA?

Come on people, think.

[elleheathen]

First, thanks Tierce.

Second,

I feel like this is an attempt to pit town vs town.
Do not like.

What does this even mean?

That I think Alfred is town.

There's more I want to get to but been swamped with Turkey Day stuffs.

[Titus]

Vla today, mod probably won't see this. Turkey day.

[SafetyDance]

Llama's list is missing Goat and Elleh. What is a town dragon?

[Llamarble]

Llama's list is missing lots of things because he was too tired to finish.
Hence "I'll continue tomorrow"

[Alfred Borden]

Llama's list is missing lots of things because he was too tired to finish.
Hence "I'll continue tomorrow"

[SafetyDance]

Tomorrow never comes