Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[BBmolla]

Am I OMGUSing if I think Ghostlin is scum tunneling on me?

[Voidedmafia]

Because otherwise I just don't understand what you were getting at with that bit.

Me neither. Is the not mafia result a part of...whatever you were doing, or is it actually a result?

Am I OMGUSing if I think Ghostlin is scum tunneling on me?

...Kinda?

[ProHawk]

So you think it'd be a scum fakeclaim?

Was I unclear in some way? Why do you make pointless comments intermixed in a gigantic wall of quotes?

If he flips scum, his mini wagon is sill horrible.

Why? Because it is mini or because he managed to fool the lot of you?

I may not be putting a whole lot of effort into this game LB, but taking me for a fool you should not.

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.13

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Nero Cain (4): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
uʍop ǝpısdn (3): 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Espeonage
BBmolla (2): Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri
zMuffinMan (1): Nero Cain
Espeonage (1): pieguyn

Not Voting (3): Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn

Deadline for Day 5 is Thursday, December 5th, at 4:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-12-05 16:00:00)

Due to Thanksgiving, Thursday will not be counted for deadline and prod purposes. 24 hours will be added to the deadline at the end of Thursday.

[Voidedmafia]

Was I unclear in some way? Why do you make pointless comments intermixed in a gigantic wall of quotes

So...why a scum fakeclaim?

[Nero Cain]

I still maintain that if everyone was fine with his lynch why hasn't it happened, tell me that.

btw, there are a number of possible reasons the voided wagon might not have happened yet, in the same way there are a number of reasons the seanald wagon didn't happen til D3 (despite a vast majority of the game scum reading him since D1). was the resistance to the seanald wagon D1/D2 because he was scum, too, nero?

But Sean got lynched, Voided didn't.

[Nero Cain]

i never said there's no resistance to his wagon

like most of the people voting other players are

also fine

with a voided lynch happening, so that's not really resistance.

At the point, Voided had escaped two lynches. He's now escaped 3 lynches and like no one but me and Baldy want that dead. If you don't think that's resistance then you are either scum or a fucking moron.

look, dipshit, i'll explain this simply one more time because i don't want anyone actually reading your bullshit to get the idea that you have a point here.

i

never

claimed there was no resistance to the voided wagon

what resistance has there been to a voided wagon?

i can count the number of people who have called him town throughout the game on one hand.

the only reason a voided wagon didn't happen yesterday is because people swung over to the seanald wagon 24 hours before the deadline.

like most of the people voting other players are

also fine

with a voided lynch happening,

so that's not really resistance.

These statements are deff an attempt to counter my statement that "there's been a massive amount of resistance to a voided lynch". Just so the town knows where I'm coming from...one of the reasons Muffin has been calling me scum is 'cause there's been "resistance" to my wagon. I then said "Hey, wait a minute, there's been a shitload of resistance to Voided. And that's where we are right now with Muffin pretending like he never said that. As you can see in 3243 he flat out said "that's not really resistance". No way townMuffin truly believes that a guy that has escaped three lynches and is getting town read today is "not resistance" I think its sad as fuck that he's getting away with this lie.


And then he's just playing dumb and going "oh, well if those guys that got lynched instead of Voided were actually counterwagons then there'd be scum pushing those wagons." He's been around this site long enough to know that scum don't necessarily have to push a wagon as much as just hop on.

not only that, but my point about you wasn't just that there was resistance to your wagon, but that the resistance was coming from people who were ignoring all the arguments for you being scum and simply calling you town based on "town meta".

Silly Muffin pretending like there's a decent reason to suspect me.

Can you quote this, I don't remember a thing about "EVERY1 IZ IGNORING MY ARGUMENTS RARW!!!"

I'm sorry, but that's just how I get read. Sean is quite correct that I get this kind of flak every game. I mean fuck, in Walking Dead scumThor was attacking me with no actual case and then all sudden everyone was like "hey Nero is scum!!!" The only slight difference here is that my wagon consists of a bunch of OMGUS!!! If you were town you'd tell me what these "arguments" are and let me tell you why they are wrong but much like Voided you don't give a fuck what my alignment is.

and you keep conveniently ignoring this point, which is the fucking crux of the reason i dislike the people defending you.

So.....you don't like it that I'm getting "meta" town read 'cause you think you have "THE BEST REASONING EVAH" and everyone is ignoring said "reasoning" and b/c of this you don't like me being town read and you think this points to me being scum?

you know this is my argument.

you leaving it out now is yet another example of you being totally fucking dishonest in the way you're arguing with me.

bolded is a lie.

[Nero Cain]

Spoiler:

i never said there's no resistance to his wagon

like most of the people voting other players are

also fine

with a voided lynch happening, so that's not really resistance.

At the point, Voided had escaped two lynches. He's now escaped 3 lynches and like no one but me and Baldy want that dead. If you don't think that's resistance then you are either scum or a fucking moron.

look, dipshit, i'll explain this simply one more time because i don't want anyone actually reading your bullshit to get the idea that you have a point here.

i

never

claimed there was no resistance to the voided wagon

what resistance has there been to a voided wagon?

i can count the number of people who have called him town throughout the game on one hand.

the only reason a voided wagon didn't happen yesterday is because people swung over to the seanald wagon 24 hours before the deadline.

like most of the people voting other players are

also fine

with a voided lynch happening,

so that's not really resistance.

These statements are deff an attempt to counter my statement that "there's been a massive amount of resistance to a voided lynch". Just so the town knows where I'm coming from...one of the reasons Muffin has been calling me scum is 'cause there's been "resistance" to my wagon. I then said "Hey, wait a minute, there's been a shitload of resistance to Voided. And that's where we are right now with Muffin pretending like he never said that. As you can see in 3243 he flat out said "that's not really resistance". No way townMuffin truly believes that a guy that has escaped three lynches and is getting town read today is "not resistance" I think its sad as fuck that he's getting away with this lie.


And then he's just playing dumb and going "oh, well if those guys that got lynched instead of Voided were actually counterwagons then there'd be scum pushing those wagons." He's been around this site long enough to know that scum don't necessarily have to push a wagon as much as just hop on.

not only that, but my point about you wasn't just that there was resistance to your wagon, but that the resistance was coming from people who were ignoring all the arguments for you being scum and simply calling you town based on "town meta".

Silly Muffin pretending like there's a decent reason to suspect me.

Can you quote this, I don't remember a thing about "EVERY1 IZ IGNORING MY ARGUMENTS RARW!!!"

I'm sorry, but that's just how I get read. Sean is quite correct that I get this kind of flak every game. I mean fuck, in Walking Dead scumThor was attacking me with no actual case and then all sudden everyone was like "hey Nero is scum!!!" The only slight difference here is that my wagon consists of a bunch of OMGUS!!! If you were town you'd tell me what these "arguments" are and let me tell you why they are wrong but much like Voided you don't give a fuck what my alignment is.

and you keep conveniently ignoring this point, which is the fucking crux of the reason i dislike the people defending you.

So.....you don't like it that I'm getting "meta" town read 'cause you think you have "THE BEST REASONING EVAH" and everyone is ignoring said "reasoning" and b/c of this you don't like me being town read and you think this points to me being scum?

you know this is my argument.

you leaving it out now is yet another example of you being totally fucking dishonest in the way you're arguing with me.

bolded is a lie.

Spoilered duplicate post.

[Nero Cain]

Don’t really like the way Espy and Empcho and Pie have switched their reads on me. Empcho gets some flack for a null-leaning town read on me so they switch to vote me?

When did this happen, Nero?

On day 1 or 2 (post 1652) you had a "leaning town" read on me. In some other post you said something like "I don't think Nero is scum." So what made you switch your read?

I'm pretty much in agreence with this though I'd like to add that PV also had a p strong town read on me

We shouldn't trust PV's reads unless they're on you?

no

Voided has an ability to escape lynches=//=resistance

Why do you think he keeps escaping lynches?

He keeps escaping lynches 'cause he's obviously a tricksy hobbit.

Although Nero's "Well, we can't trust PV's reads, but we can trust PV's townread on me though" was scummy.

nope.

The reason that Nacho was voting me is 'cause PV had a strong town read on UD. Apparently PV didn't have a very strong read on me (I though he did but I guess that was in another game opps) though Sean did and even Morph and Pyro are starting to see how fucking town I am. So its me not liking how Nacho is selectively using dead towns reads.

[Voidedmafia]

nope.

So when you chastise people for trusting in a dead town's read, and then

in the same breath

say that the same dead townie had a townread on you and imply that it should be trusted, we should take this as a townie action and believe you're town for it?

No.

[Voidedmafia]

These statements are deff an attempt to counter my statement that "there's been a massive amount of resistance to a voided lynch".

3242 is asking

you

what resistance there has been. That's not countering your statement, that's demanding you prove it.

I then said "Hey, wait a minute, there's been a shitload of resistance to Voided. And that's where we are right now with Muffin pretending like he never said that

No...it's been more like Muffin's trying to get you to explain the resistance you pointed out, and you ignoring that to claim that muffin is saying there isn't any when he already said there was.

And then he's just playing dumb and going "oh, well if those guys that got lynched instead of Voided were actually counterwagons then there'd be scum pushing those wagons." He's been around this site long enough to know that scum don't necessarily have to push a wagon as much as just hop on.

So who're the scum who hopped on to the alternate wagons?

[Nero Cain]

nope.

So when you chastise people for trusting in a dead town's read, and then

in the same breath

say that the same dead townie had a townread on you and imply that it should be trusted, we should take this as a townie action and believe you're town for it?

No.

That selective reading.

The reason that Nacho was voting me is 'cause PV had a strong town read on UD. Apparently PV didn't have a very strong read on me (I though he did but I guess that was in another game opps) though Sean did and even Morph and Pyro are starting to see how fucking town I am. So its me not liking how Nacho is selectively using dead towns reads.

No where did I ever say "well don't trust PV's read on UD." nor did I ever "chastise" Nacho. I was merely agreeing with Bald that his reads aren't the holy bible (not that I even trust the bible).

These statements are deff an attempt to counter my statement that "there's been a massive amount of resistance to a voided lynch".

3242 is asking

you

what resistance there has been. That's not countering your statement, that's demanding you prove it.

Like I should have to prove anything that's fucking obvious.

I then said "Hey, wait a minute, there's been a shitload of resistance to Voided. And that's where we are right now with Muffin pretending like he never said that

No...it's been more like Muffin's trying to get you to explain the resistance you pointed out, and you ignoring that to claim that muffin is saying there isn't any when he already said there was.

You two cannot be this dense. You've escaped three lynches and now everyone has apparently given up on lynching your scum ass. If that's not resistance then I don't know what is. I even checked the online dictionary to make sure I was using the word correctly and yeah I'm right. I did ask Muffin what he'd use to describe your inability to get lynched but I don't think he replied 'cause the only thing that describes it is RESISTANCE.

[Magua]

Searching for a replacement for uʍop ǝpısdn

[pieguyn]

feeling lazy as fuck about this game atm T_T

I'm gonna see if I can make some cases against some of my scumreads

[1baldeagle1]

Scumreads: Nero, uwop, BBMolla, and idk. Probably get more information from their wagons.

[1baldeagle1]

@LB, chainsaw defense is where you attack the attacker, who is attacking the person you are defending.

[Voidedmafia]

No where did I ever say "well don't trust PV's read on UD." nor did I ever "chastise" Nacho. I was merely agreeing with Bald that his reads aren't the holy bible (not that I even trust the bible).

And yet you then act as if PV's read on you has some merit RIGHT AFTER YOU SAY THAT! Are you seriously expecting us to look the other way when you try and cherry-pick which reads from dead town are correct to suit your own wants?

Like I should have to prove anything that's fucking obvious.

So...if it's that obvious, then surely you have more to show than half-hearted VCA of the final VCs for D1-3, of which you chose three people on two of the wagons and two people on all three and suggested that there MIGHT be 1-2 scum within them? I may be forgetting some analysis from you along the way of this 5 MS-day, 2 RL-month, 170+-page game, but if THAT'S all you got...no, it's not obvious.

You two cannot be this dense. You've escaped three lynches and now everyone has apparently given up on lynching your scum ass. If that's not resistance then I don't know what is. I even checked the online dictionary to make sure I was using the word correctly and yeah I'm right. I did ask Muffin what he'd use to describe your inability to get lynched but I don't think he replied 'cause the only thing that describes it is RESISTANCE.

Well, that's not "resistance". That's "giving up". They aren't the same thing.

And again, we haven't denied there has been resistance. Muffin even gave examples. But there's only really been ONE time that I've been under any threat of being lynched, which was Day 3, and only the sudden shift onto seanald saved my ass; the other two times I was voted by four or five people, but there wasn't really a danger of having more pile onto me (yes, I'm aware people had scumreads on me, but those who did didn't have me as their priority lynch those days. As for the Seanald shift, I again point out that you were just as much under threat of being lynched that day as I was, and we both were saved.

So here's a few things: How was the shift from the two of us to Seanald a scummy shift off of a partner's wagon and not, say, town latching onto a perceived slip as it looks like to me? If not, then what of those afterwards in the middle? Finally, why, exactly, does the near-miss D3 point to JUST resistance to my wagon, and not to yours?

Am I asking you to cover old ground? ...Probably. You can blame me for that if you want. But your argument here has gotten you nowhere. I'm not even sure who here among those who are alive actually agree with it besides Prohawk and Bald. So perhaps you could find a better way to call me scum than insist that because I got halfway to a lynch twice and nearly was lynched once I'm scum.

Especially in his posts today. What more has he done other than saying that he's here and he's still not going to post anything more of value?

Argue that I'm scum because there's been resistance to my lynch D1-D3?

@LB, chainsaw defense is where you attack the attacker, who is attacking the person you are defending.

UD was defending Muffin? I didn't really get that feel from his posts then.

[Espeonage]

V/LA until Sunday night. Got the National Quidditch Tournament.

[pieguyn]

I talk A LOT with Faraday, but mostly on AIM. But for this game, I've been asking Magua five zillion questions about every single role interaction in the hydra QT.

If you asked Magua a zillion questions about every single role interaction, why did you wonder why I wanted the neighborizer to claim?

QFT.

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

P-Edit: Mhork, explain.

this seems opportunistic. neighborizer linking up mafia teams doesn't really seem like a role interaction

VOTE: Pyrotechnics

Anyone with the following abilities should claim right away: Deadline, Hitman, Investigative Immune, Nightkill. I'd want Extra Vote and Vote Freezer to claim, too.

We got Investigation Immune! I can't believe it was so cheap. We even bid $80 on it to keep it out of scum's hands.

Got an ability that helps scum (aka you?) Nice job! Congrats!

he didn't point this out as suspicious immediately. in fact he claimed vote freezer. it only became suspicious when there was a wagon on LB. this again seems opportunistic

Mhork gained some townpoints after that post. Voided ignored my question about his so called townread on LB. Tbh, I'm starting to believe that Voided is just WKing LB, so when we lynch LB, he flips town and Voided gets some towncred. I have past experiences with scum WKing me, so there's that. If anyone wants to see the game where there was a whole bunch of WKing going on by scum (I was town in that game and I lost). It's Newbie 1414 on my wiki.

here's where the whole voided vs eagle started. reason seems pretty weak. bussing tends to happen with weak reasons or reaching, supporting voided x eagle cross bus

ProHawk wagon is stupid. (Sure enough, Voided gets on it to save himself, like he did with Hermy yesterday.)

the way he did it, it's not alignment indicative

morph, I feel like this is taking too long, do you really need 6 town reads from every single person? Once we get all of the townreads in, what do we do with them?

peregrine, why did you bid on Neighbourizer?

Isn't the answer obvious?

ugh I don't like this post

My conclusion with the VCA is that Voided has been coasting through the game by just staying on some random wagon then he quietly hops on the lynching wagon. Also, VCA is where you look at the vote counts only, Voided, in case you didn't know that. The other thing is, if I'm scum, then why aren't you voting for me? You seem too cautious to look scummy by voting me.
Also, Voided and upside down, your discredit has been noted.

another bad reason

Ok, hammering.

VOTE: Seanald

My conclusion with the VCA is that Voided has been coasting through the game by just staying on some random wagon then he quietly hops on the lynching wagon. Also, VCA is where you look at the vote counts only, Voided, in case you didn't know that. The other thing is, if I'm scum, then why aren't you voting for me? You seem too cautious to look scummy by voting me.
Also, Voided and upside down, your discredit has been noted.

accuses voided of staying on some random wagon then hopping on the lynching wagon
does the same thing

Let's do Voided.

Also, I'm gonna freeze ProHawk's vote on Voided, because I really really think Voided is scum and we are not going to let him evade another lynch.

Uwop is a bit scummy too, but I prefer Voided greatly.

awkward timing

Wrt upsides vote on pie

Because chainsaw defense on muffin.

Guys, we should be voting Voided. Voided is just disregarding me for a stupid player whenever I try to attack him, so he's discrediting me. Also, Voided was pissed that I froze a vote on him, LOL.

last sentence is fake as fuck

I said it already, but I can say it again. It did not feel natural to me, it smelled of scum desperately trying to lynch a universal townread. Also, I know I shouldn't be making this an alignment indicative thing, but I can't help but notice that uwop goes inactive soon as there is a wagon on him.

Muffin is null-town for me.

Why are we all scumreading uwop, but not lynching him?

seems like trying to force a mislynch. not many people besidse me were scumreading uwop. also fits with the idea of voided bus cause he seems entirely set on Voided, but then switches over to uwop almost as soon as the possibility arises.

[pieguyn]

tl;dr:
1. opportunistic as fuck
2. massive tunnel on Voided for bad reasons is making me think cross bus
3. tone and timing certain posts seemed off

there's also an apparent lack of actual content in his ISO. a lot of his posts are just talking about current reads and seem derived from the current reads at that time. there's a lack of pushes against people except for voided. i'm pretty sure he's scum
vote: baldeagle

[pieguyn]

shit

vote: baldeagle

[Lord Mhork]

Pie you misspelled Nero.

Seriously though. Why are you trying to make new wagons happen close to deadline?

[pieguyn]

that's not my intent, but I'm not sure about nero and I wanna at least explore other options

nero seems like he could very easily be a mislynch and I wanna be careul

[pieguyn]

not to mention 6 days is hardly close to deadline

[Lord Mhork]

He also seems like he could be scum.

And 6 days is plenty close to deadline