Micro 252: There Is No Doctor - END

[BBmolla]

Votecount 4.02

sangres - 2 - EspeciallyTheLies, The Purple Rose

Not Voting: sangres,

Deadline: (expired on 2013-12-10 22:42:00)

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

[BBmolla]

sangres,

Werewolf Goon

, has been lynched day 4.

EspeciallyTheLies,

Town Cop

, and The Purple Rose,

Town Cop

, win it in endgame.

Town Wins!

[BBmolla]

Mod QT

Game and Roles
sangres	Werewolf Goon
pitoli	Town Seer
TheIrishPope	Werewolf Goon
Bulbazak	Town Cop
EspeciallyTheLies	Town Cop
T-Bone	Town Cop
The Purple Rose	Town Cop
Lastsurvivor	Innocent Child
F-16_Fighting_Falcon	Town Cop

Thank you for playing! I'll try to give some comments in a sec.

[The Purple Rose]

I'm so happy with that! You had me worried at the start of this day a bit, ETL. Hadn't read some other games of you yet and doing that yesterday stopped my paranoia about you a bit.

As for the game, I'm happy with being right 2/3 on scum... but then there's the 1/3rd that I pushed very hard for in retrospect all the wrong reasons Sorry pitoli, that can't have been fun. I tunneled pretty hard on you. I probably wasn't the nicest person I can be throughout this game... I hope it wasn't cause to make the game unfun for too many of you.

[Bulbazak]

Good job guys! I was worried that Nacho/Ffery was going to weasel out of their lynch yet again.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

OMG WE WON?! These posts made me very sad! I thought we lost and I was going to be hating myself!

vote sanges

thanks for the game. It was nice.

TPR scum? Not at all a surprise.

gg

[EspeciallyTheLies]

You had me worried at the start of this day a bit, ETL.

lol whyyyyyy

[The Purple Rose]

you played scummily!

But 1349 was a smiley of me being confident. I thought I knew what they were doing.

[BBmolla]

Dead QT
WWs can post their QT if they want.

So for a long time I've wanted to run something like this, mainly for that moment when shit hit the fan. Besides the gimmick of useless cops, I wanted the setup to be fairly simple, so I simply gave information via title that there's no doctor (to raise stakes for cops) and gave town actual power in a seer and innocent child. Werewolves played well, especially sangres obviously, and I was glad to see it came down to scumhunting to determine who the last werewolf was due to seer dying n1.

Props to TPR for recognizing the setup as it was really early on.

I hope nobody saw this as bastard, and if you do, I apologize.

I'm curious to hear thoughts on whether T-Bone wanting to die D3 was the correct play on his part or not. I think his assessment of the situation was completely accurate; if the town didn't lynch correctly that day, he'd be autolynched. He was worried about being modkilled due to wanting to be lynched, but I understood his play and also noted that it could be done as either alignment as a gambit so it wasn't modkillable.

As a whole, you all were a brilliant playerlist, thank you to Chaos Omega and T-Bone for replacing in (on the same slot, and the only slot that actually needed replacing.) And thanks to everyone for playing.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Great job town. I think town worked very well collectively in order to pin the scum. My biggest mistake was pushing Bulbazak based on what I thought was an implicit threat which was actually a breadcrumb - which was my biggest mistake because meta suggested he was town and I should have pushed harder to derail the lynch. I initially felt that Sangres was scum, then that they were town and that TIP was scum and it didn't really click for me until the end of Day1 after the Bulbazak lynch around post 1009 and the few posts after that. Even in the dead QT, Sangres were giving me doubts about their affiliation - they played really well.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Thanks BB! This game was really crazy and fun! Now tell us how much you laughed at us at the end of D1!

I have to admit, as crazy as it was, I was laughing the whole time. Utter insanity!

p-edit: I was not!

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Props to TPR for recognizing the setup as it was really early on.

!!!

I sent you a PM calling you out on the setup like less than 24 hours after it started!

[BBmolla]

I came in super late, but once I saw like 6 new pages I figured shit hit the fan and locked the thread. Slowly my blank expression turned into an evil smile as I laughed at the situation. Just as plannned.

[BBmolla]

I meant in thread, but you're right, derp.

[Bulbazak]

Yeah, I think the only reason I started suspecting Sangres as scum on d1 was because of Ffery putting on a show at meta-diving while putting in zero effort (She only used games that she was in. That's not hard to do, because you know the answer and how I played.), and the fact that Nacho treated me strangely for someone he was supposedly townreading. You do not say that I should have learned a lesson from a previous town game if you think I'm scum.

[The Purple Rose]

that meta dive was the first thing that a case could be build on, yes. Before that they already pinged my gut but I could never put it into words. I have a couple more posts over the course of the game about sangres that try to explain why I feel and know they are scum, which are not convincing at all, I know that.

Otherwise, I am so curious how sangres saw the game. I'd really love to hear about that.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also, apologies to LS for yelling at you. It was early in the morning and I was feeling cranky - this game was the first thing I looked at when I woke up in the morning, saw the IC (who I knew to be town still thought I was scum, etc).

Bulb played really well and we were really close to figuring out both scum - if there was more time, I felt that we could have pulled out a TIP or Sangres lynch on Day1. TIP voting for Bulb was a huge red flag but there really was no time to do much about it at all.

I think I pushed too hard on my reads. This is not my usual playstyle in general. I usually let go of my townreads and let them get lynched. I was trying to change an aspect of my playstyle and it didn't work out well since I would up annoying some of the players in the game. I recently completed a game (Mini 1492) where I was townreading 3 players really hard but everyone was scumreading them. One of my townreads got lynched despite my objections, I was nk'ed, then my other two townreads were lynched. I was somewhat annoyed and thought that maybe I didn't push hard enough.

It is ironic that I was actually looking forward to working with Sangres and Bulbazak when the game began but immediately started scumreading both of them so that never worked out like I expected. I was forcing myself to see Sangres as town at several points in the game but that worldview just didn't hold up. I am glad they flipped scum - that would have been a pretty huge misread. I realized now that Nacho was simply regurgitating whatever I said my reads were a few posts earlier and that's why our reads aligned so well. Sneaky.

Also, a lot of good play in the endgame from ETL who was really obvtown, and TPR for figuring out the setup and giving us more ammo against TIP. I think T-Bone's strategy of allowing himself to be lynched wasn't a good one. I think you should have just pushed for your scumreads to be lynched every day. I'm not sure why you thought ETL was scum so strongly though.

[BBmolla]

Oh in case it wasn't obvious, info was "At least half of the town are Town Cops"

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, I think the only reason I started suspecting Sangres as scum on d1 was because of Ffery putting on a show at meta-diving while putting in zero effort (She only used games that she was in. That's not hard to do, because you know the answer and how I played.), and the fact that Nacho treated me strangely for someone he was supposedly townreading. You do not say that I should have learned a lesson from a previous town game if you think I'm scum.

I know ffery puts a lot more stock into experiential meta as town so that didn't really ping for me. A lot of other things did though, as well as Nacho's unjustified townread on TIP. And the way they treated you while you were lynched was definitely a red flag though.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Bulbazak, what was it that you were referring to in the dead QT about the town "wizening up?"

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also, great job with the setup and the modding, BBMolla. It was a fun game to play - would play your games again.

[TheIrishPope]

Sorry sangres
Good job Town
Thanks BB

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

TIP, can we see the QT?

[TheIrishPope]

It was mostly Nacho and ffery and I'm ok with releasing it so they can if they want to.

[Bulbazak]

Bulbazak, what was it that you were referring to in the dead QT about the town "wizening up?"

The entire town had some suspicion of Sangres. My point was that if they stopped fighting each other and really thought about things, they should have had no problem lynching scum. Again, I was spoilered and was trying not to give things away.