A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 7, Vc 6

Alfred Borden (2) -

Garruk Relentless, Benmage

elleheathen (1) -

Nautilius

Titus (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

The Alchemist (5) -

ooba, Cephrir, SafetyDance, Titus, Messiah Complex

Not voting (6)

: Alfred Borden, elleheathen, Shadoweh, The Alchemist, Tammy, Tierce

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 5th of December 20:15 EST
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-12-08 19:30:00)
  
• Natirasha is V/la. Alchemist and Titus are V/la (or will be!)

Prodded Kanye, Garruk and Nautilius.

[Garruk Relentless]

Rabble rabble my hydra partner can't even do the one job I asked him to.

Still vla still getting to this Sunday.

[Messiah Complex]

@Mod

- this happened

With that said, I'm now counting Nacho, Tierce, Tammy, Ooba, and Cephrir as staunch "no" votes on Borden. That lynch is DOA today as far as we are concerned.

Unvote
Vote: The Alchemist

As long as Nacho hammers

- Des

Thanks! Fixed!

[Benmage]

Twiddle Twiddle.

[Garruk Relentless]

Garruk is interesting for a reason similar to Goat. Not the one from last line.
Garruk What were all your whores go results?

Hito: the moon.
Mina: brothel
Faraday: in front of our nose
Nexus: No response.

PS: Rabble rabble this post should have been here yesterday.

-SSK

[elleheathen]

Elle, control + F yields approximately one hit on "Tierce" day 1. If you were going to permanently roleblock her, then why the hell didn't you mention anything about her D1?

Where were you a couple days ago when I was asking this...invisible!

You asked in 3410. I answered in 3450. - And again in 4644. Who's invisible?

[Nautilius]

busy

[Tammy]

Elle, control + F yields approximately one hit on "Tierce" day 1. If you were going to permanently roleblock her, then why the hell didn't you mention anything about her D1?

Where were you a couple days ago when I was asking this...invisible!

You asked in 3410. I answered in 3450. - And again in 4644. Who's invisible?

I wasn't referring to you answering or not. I was referring to Nautilus asking the question I asked a couple days ago.

Well I guess we're both invisible in that regard!

[Tammy]

Llama's list is missing Goat and Elleh. What is a town dragon?

He's a dragon and saying he's town.

[kanyeknowsbest]

busy

sam,e

[Tammy]

the alchemist/syryana

what is your read on titus?

[Shadoweh]

He's almost unv/la enough to answer you!
Running people up when they're not here is a great way to get bored too, I supose. It's not surprising that no one's talking when the two foci are barely here.
It's been way more then a day though. Enough is enough.

##Vote: Alfred Borden

[SafetyDance]

Well you're voting. That's a positive at least.

As for the dragon thing, he's being vague about it though, does he mean it in the literal sense or is it an anthropomorphism.

[Nautilius]

Nautilius
Tammy
Tierce
Alfred
kanye
Cephrir
Titus
SafetyDance
ooba

Reviewing this townblock now.

[Nautilius]

Okay so I'm thinking shadoweh might be town. I doubt shed attempt to get with tierce if she were scum unless she knew that tierce would choose a female anyway and was doing it for show, but then it would be kinda silly because there'd be no way that anyone would know why she was making those hints unless she caught onto what I was referring to in my first posts but then that would just be kinda convoluted and silly and im kinda worried we can't both be town, but then it would also be booville for us not to be, and I'm out guessing the mod which I definitely shouldn't be.

Actiondan can you hurry up and get your ass in here and tell me what shadoweh's alignment is? Please and thank you.

I liked the depth of this thought process; it didn't strike me as something that was at all likely to be coming from Tammy-scum so early game; I find in general, the two point of her scumgame that trouble her the most are the confidence in how town she appears and these thought processes right here (convuluted paranoia rabbit holes). This isn't the deepest rabbit hole I've seen, but the fact that it's broken out in post 169 is pretty fucking amazing.

Tammy seems a lot less confident than I remember her being in Experimental Role Mafia where she came in like a fucking screaming banshee. Noted.

Welcome to how I am when I don't have a scum read that I feel confident about. Not only am I sick as shit at the moment, but early day one, hell sometimes all of day one

or entire game

, I'm mostly trying to work out the arguments and see what makes sense for me, find town I can work with/have fun with, and go from there.

You're also comparing my early day one play to me replacing into a game on day three?

This early quadz-Tammy interaction seems like an unlikely one, considering his interactions with peacebringer early game (hint: none at all), or his interactions with displaced (hint: pretty much none at all). Attacking Tammy-town is something that scum tend to do for some reason, but I can't imagine scumbuddies attacking Tammy-scum until the process of pegging her has begun.

tammy - fair nuff. I don't put a ton of stock in my meta of players, but I just remember you being confident to the point of obnoxiousness. It stuck out in my head so felt it was worth mentioning. Plus, wanted to see what your response to being called out on it was.

p-edit: Tierce, you're just basing that on my use of the word noted? I feel much less awful now.

I was really really confident tierce was scum that game. I am obnoxious when I have a scum read that I feel that strongly about. Unfortunately, or fortunately for other players, I don't have real strong reads every game, and its rarer to happen day one, especially this early. (I also spent quite a bit of time waffling then too. I think amrun and fairie lord were ready to rip my head off.)

Quadz also overexplained why he attacked her here a bit, which is a sign of fear.

Amrun - I'm on my phone so can't quote, but yes, roles were assigned first then alignments. He says in the second post that roles were assigned first then alignments.

Hi syryana!

I will admit that choosing Syryana over one of {Empire, Nacho, Tierce} did make me a little bit paranoid because I would expect he's would be the person Tammy-scum would neighborize if she didn't want to deal with a hard meta read (while I can't read her as well as Tierce/Empire can, I think that I would be able to catch her as scum in a 1 on 1 QT situation), but Syryana should be able to read her if he's not being lazy (and it didn't seem like he was being lazy D1). It was the reason I needed Empire to hold me and reassure me and tell me everything is okay.

No, it's hard to explain because its illogical (ha!) but ill give it a whirl. It's mostly just a general feeling based on experience with syry. We've been scum partners before and he got caught out pretty quickly by nacho day one. He hasn't shown any concern of that happening again and although he has a pretty good scum game, he like most people has a sense of awkwardness around people who can read him well. I *think* he's only been scum once since then so I don't see him getting over that so quickly. We've also hydrad together and the way he's talking to me about his reads is what I would expect from a town him. I mean I guess you could say that since he's hydrad with me, he'd know what I would expect but it feels very fluid and spontaneous. I'm not getting a sense of calculation there. So from what I've seen thus far, I feel pretty good about him.

This seems like a Tammy townread, which is a good thing.

Also, because I'm impatient and he's probably not going to answer anyway by this point, here is why I'm kinda fixated on his reads list and why he made it and what he thought he was going to achieve. I was hoping that empire would see this since he said he just read The Wire to compare his attitude, but he didn't or maybe just doesn't see that as interesting as I see it. And here is why I was kinda shocked that mollie was happy that he provided a reads list.

here is how town safety dance feels about reads list In this post, he points out several people who have made some types of reads without reasoning and calls it "Weak as Budwieser reads that do nothing to help with anything. List reads (or whatever you call them) are not proper reads or effective scumhunting. So it's not something you're going to see me throw out there."

I thought that this was a good point, and I don't think Tammy would go digging through games in order to argue with Empire on a meta read, regardless of alignment.

Pretty happy with a D1 townread and don't see that changing, will read through the rest of her D1 posts but probably won't comment on them.

THERE IS NO BROW-BEATING; YOU ARE NOT PLAYING THE DAMN GAME.

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, IF YOU'D ACTUALLY PLAY INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE YOUR TOO GOOD TO DO A DAMN THING THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAGON ON YOU.

GODS.

(hey I know I wasn't gonna comment on other D1 things, but this was pretty fucking town)

VOTE: tierce

That was the most opportunistic piece of bullshit jump on thor yesterday and I'm still pissed. Hey, I said, roles before alignments. Faraday has used millers I said. I've played in the last two faraday upicks I said. Did you listen? NOOOOO. Let's abide by some bullshit model made up by you to decide what faraday wouldn't do and just ignore the person who's played in every faraday modded game here and offsite for almost two years because clearly I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh but wait, town miller, good job.

And yeah I know empire's going to come in here and yell at me, but I just don't care right now. If you're town I have no idea what the hell you thought you were doing.

This is almost good for a townread right off the bat D2. It's a strong push on someone who knows her very well, conflicting with another person who knows her very well and who has a great townread on her. She acknowledges the later half, still attacks on it; it feels like a very strong and very wonderful flash of paranoia.

Town: Benmage, Cephrir, Garruk, Goat, Messiah, Shadoweh, Tierce,

Probably Town: Alfred, quads, the alchemist, zdenek, nautillus, safetydance

i will lynch any of: SPYREX, elle, ooba, prideandjoy, kanye, (at least on scum is in my town reads...I need to reread)

I appreciated the bit of paranoia in downgrading me/Empire. In Chosen Mafia (the last time I played against Tammy scum), she townread me the entire time and didn't show any doubts at all. This in particular happened quietly in a way she probably wouldn't expect me to notice, but I fucking noticed.

Alfred epitomes opportunism. Been on every large wagon. (Ooba, SD, Thor, Amrun)

More like caused every wagon we've been on to become large.
Pay attention.

I wouldn't brag when the only lynches we have had have been mislynches.

Nothing to do with Tammy, but this doesn't seem like something that Llamarble would brag about as scum.

Also, who the fuck is scum borempire, less defending the people who aren't playing and policy lynching the ones who are and more trying to figure out who the scum are.

This comment was good, I liked it.

And I've read enough of Tammy's ISO to put her in the town town town town town town pile.
I do want to hear your full thoughts on Alfred, though. Do they have a chance of being scum?

[Benmage]

*BRain hurts*

Naut.... isn't Tammy a town read of yours?

[Nautilius]

Yes, hence the wall of text calling her town.
I'm going through my townblock to see where the weaknesses are.

[Benmage]

It seems like an exercise in time wasting. I would imagine narrowing down the null/scum reads to be more fruitful.

[Nautilius]

We can win by lynching all the scum or finding a majority of the town.
I'm spinning wheels on the first bit, so I'm working on the second for a little while.

[Eddard Stark]

Prodding Cephrir, Tierce and ooba. Poking The Alchemist

[Cephrir]

Prod received. This game is getting away from me a little bit. I will say that post up there is helping to cure my lingering doubts re: Tammy, as I previously would have had her reasonably close to the bottom within the town bloc.

[Tammy]

Hey Cephrir - If that's not enough for you I can give you very detailed reasons for why I'm town. I know you'd love that

Nacho - That's why you got paranoid? I wanted to use my role to create a hydra in sense. You and Empire were already part of a hydra, Tierce was female, and I didn't think any of you would appreciate it if your fate got stuck to mine. Syry wasn't part of a hydra, and I didn't think he'd mind if he died when I did. Mostly, it was the death thing.

[ooba]

I'm here - will post tomorrow.

[Alfred Borden]

It's been way more then a day though. Enough is enough.

##Vote: Alfred Borden

Failing catchup promises is a core part of my play when I'm not Being Awesome.

I haven't been at all vague SD.
Shadoweh asked me to claim D2-3 or so after a seduction error and I said I was the biggest dragon.

[Cephrir]

Hey Cephrir - If that's not enough for you I can give you very detailed reasons for why I'm town. I know you'd love that

Nacho - That's why you got paranoid? I wanted to use my role to create a hydra in sense. You and Empire were already part of a hydra, Tierce was female, and I didn't think any of you would appreciate it if your fate got stuck to mine. Syry wasn't part of a hydra, and I didn't think he'd mind if he died when I did. Mostly, it was the death thing.

I mean I'm not gonna say *no* to that if you want to do it, but I'm not going to be worrying about it for a while.