Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[ICEninja]

Good enough for me.

I wouldn't mind hearing the catch up of penguin and fitz before the hammer, though. Particularly fitz who is a likely NK target tonight.

Once we have everyone's thoughts, someone should drop that gavel.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Day 2, Votecount 5

fferyllt [0]

Kid A [5]

ICEninja, My Milked Eek, Garmr, TvK, Wake88

TvK [2]

Regfan, fferyllt

My Milked Eek [0]

penguin_alien [0]

Regfan [0]

ICEninja [1]

Kid A

Garmr [0]

Squirrel Girl [0]

Wake88 [1]

Squirrel Girl

havingfitz [0]

Not Voting [2]

- penguin_alien, havingfitz

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is on December 8th at 11:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-08 11:30:00)

[My Milked Eek]

Yo wake!

Explain this please:

"

He [Kid A] comes off as newbie Town to me, so of course they're going to angle towards him. I, for one, want him to claim.

"

Day 2, Votecount 5

fferyllt [0]

Kid A [5]

ICEninja, My Milked Eek, Garmr, TvK, Wake88

TvK [2]

Regfan, fferyllt

My Milked Eek [0]

penguin_alien [0]

Regfan [0]

ICEninja [1]

Kid A

Garmr [0]

Squirrel Girl [0]

Wake88 [1]

Squirrel Girl

havingfitz [0]

Not Voting [2]

- penguin_alien, havingfitz

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is on December 8th at 11:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-08 11:30:00)

Let me zoom in:

Day 2, Votecount 5

Kid A [5]

ICEninja, My Milked Eek, Garmr, TvK, Wake88

Enhance!

Day 2, Votecount 5

Kid A [5]

ICEninja, My Milked Eek, Garmr, TvK,

Wake88

Why are you voting someone who you have a newbie town read on?
Why are you pressing for a claim from someone you have a town read on?
Why do you give someone 4/10 if you have a town read on him?
I don't know what the points stand for (most town or most scum?) but a 4 seems mediocre at most. I see you list people with 3's and 8's, why not vote one of them? Let me answer that last question with a quote of yours:
"

and [Kid A] is lynchbait for Scum

."

Moving on with the rest of your post and the thread.

[Wake1]

He's a newbie, and a weak player. I gave him 4 out of 10 because of it. My reads don't solely deal with guilt, but also weakness and anti-Town play. It's also true he's easy lynchbait, so if he claims something other than VT I'll remove my vote from him. I want him to claim, and I'm tired of him ignoring my votes/reads on him, too.

[My Milked Eek]

I just don't get how you can call someone a newbie town in one post and then vote him in the same post.

ALL TO GET A CLAIM

.

Why would you want to get a claim on someone you read as town? Why?

[My Milked Eek]

A visual representation of Wake's

reads

grades to help me understand what the hell Wake is doing in this thread:

Scum
2
3 - SG
4 - feryllt,

Kid A

, MME,

fitz

5 - Penguin, RegFan,

ICE

, garm
6
7
8 -

TvK

9
Town

Bolded is his vote.
I colored

some

people according to the words he has typed. If I feel he thought someone is town I colored that person green, scum red (the orange/pink ones ae people he had a slight scum read on).

Basically: everyone is null, no one is scum, and TvK is (only) an 8/10 even though he thinks TvK is a mason.

[My Milked Eek]

Also he hasn't read the entirety of D1 if he doesn't remember who I am.

[Wake1]

Actually...

If we were going solely based on innocent Town or Guilty Scum, Kid A would be around a 7 or an 8. Characters like Regfan, SG, and ICEninja would be around 4 for the dishnoest lean they have in their posts (how many honest people twist words and distort intentions?).

And it's an illogical assumption that not remembering your posts Day 1 = not reading the entirety of Day 1. I've read the whole thread, but reading all of it doesn't mean you'll remember all of it 2+ weeks later, right?

[Wake1]

Would you mind sharing your reads on everyone, Eek?

Do you solely weigh guilt, or do you also consider weakness and anti-Town play when giving a read?

[penguin_alien]

penguin_alien New player, new ISO to contend with. I think she's still catching up. I don't mind the points she brings up in (1042). Reading this, though, "And Wake88 coming in after 19 pages of nothing and attempting to steamroll people is just lousy," makes me wonder which game she's playing, to be blunt. She's also sizing up TvK, Kid, and Fitz. I won't get too in-depth with my reads on her, so I'll say she's basically null-Town to me thus far. 5/10.

You also have LOLwagons' posts to use in getting a read on my slot.

You doing nothing aside from a peculiar spaceman imitation for 19 pages, then coming into the thread and demanding people answer your myriad questions before deigning to consider theirs smacks of attempted steamrolling to me. What games do you think I'm playing?

[Wake1]

VOTE: Unvote

I'm unsure what to do. He's a weak link if Town, but if he's Town he'svaluable none-the-less.

If I judge solely on innocence/guilt, I'd defend him and be wary of the more competent players who are, like me, able to score games as Scum rather easily. The more I think on it, the less I see Kid A behaving that way as Scum. Does anyone know of a game where he played as Scum?

[My Milked Eek]

Actually...

If we were going solely based on innocent Town or Guilty Scum, Kid A would be around a 7 or an 8. Characters like Regfan, SG, and ICEninja would be around 4 for the dishnoest lean they have in their posts (how many honest people twist words and distort intentions?).

What else would you be going on in a game of mafia? Please enlighten me.

Also, care to explain why you're voting a 7-8/10 town read? Why are you trying to get a claim from a 7-8/10 town read?

And it's an illogical assumption that not remembering your posts Day 1 = not reading the entirety of Day 1. I've read the whole thread, but reading all of it doesn't mean you'll remember all of it 2+ weeks later, right?

Ok. I can't imagine you can't remember the following things: the wagon on me. The case I made on garm. How that case almost got him lynched, but got Silver Bard lynched over his vote switch onto garm? I don't need you remembering specifics, screw that, I need your opinion on all of that. And I certainly don't need you asking questions that have been answered end of Day 1.

I really can't imagine you reading the end of Day 1 and forgetting who I am.

Would you mind sharing your reads on everyone, Eek?

In a moment.

Do you solely weigh guilt, or do you also consider weakness and anti-Town play when giving a read?

What is this "guilt" crap?
I don't really see how offering a "weighted" read benefits anyone. You

clearly

have Kid A as a townie, yet you VOTE him and PUSH for a claim AND have him listed as a 4/10. Why are you hiding your "real" reads?

I haven't seen anyone sit harder on the fence than you are and when I called you out on your hypocricy on your vote-read on Kid A, you suddenly list him as an 7-8/10 and unvote him.

Unvote Kid A

.

Vote Wake88

.

[Wake1]

penguin_alien New player, new ISO to contend with. I think she's still catching up. I don't mind the points she brings up in (1042). Reading this, though, "And Wake88 coming in after 19 pages of nothing and attempting to steamroll people is just lousy," makes me wonder which game she's playing, to be blunt. She's also sizing up TvK, Kid, and Fitz. I won't get too in-depth with my reads on her, so I'll say she's basically null-Town to me thus far. 5/10.

You also have LOLwagons' posts to use in getting a read on my slot.

You doing nothing aside from a peculiar spaceman imitation for 19 pages, then coming into the thread and demanding people answer your myriad questions before deigning to consider theirs smacks of attempted steamrolling to me. What games do you think I'm playing?

What has been the case for some time is that when a new person replaces in, I only focus on that person's actions when making reads. Otherwise I get confused/frustrated.

Under my Quadraxis account I was very busy with work, and thinking of how best thave my massive security drone operate within the confines of the thread. When I accidentally posted under my own account, the gig was up, so I popped out of my bot and, well, heeeere's Johny!

If I'm reading you correctly, you've accused me of steamrolling people. I don't really like that. Maybe you should ask me to find out what's actually what, right?

As for my questions, I don't demand they be answered, but they do have homing capabilities. Speaking of which, ever since SG, Regfan, ICE and others have kept yours truly busy, I've nearly forgotten about the latest salvo of Annihilator Beam shots I let loose awhile ago... And I'd like to start working with the reactions I've gotten.

[My Milked Eek]

My reads:

Town: Regfan, ICE, SG, fitz, feryllt
Leaning town: penguin_alien (I just liked lolwagons)
Not so sure anymore: garmr
Leaning scum:
Scum: Wake, Kid A, TvK

Wake, if you want me to make a double spaced, three page long essay (I can even add fake grades), please fill out the appropriate request form.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Unvote

I'm unsure what to do. He's a weak link if Town, but if he's Town he'svaluable none-the-less.

If I judge solely on innocence/guilt, I'd defend him and be wary of the more competent players who are, like me, able to score games as Scum rather easily. The more I think on it, the less I see Kid A behaving that way as Scum. Does anyone know of a game where he played as Scum?

His first newbie game was the only scum game of his that I found.

[Wake1]

Actually...

If we were going solely based on innocent Town or Guilty Scum, Kid A would be around a 7 or an 8. Characters like Regfan, SG, and ICEninja would be around 4 for the dishnoest lean they have in their posts (how many honest people twist words and distort intentions?).

What else would you be going on in a game of mafia? Please enlighten me.

Also, care to explain why you're voting a 7-8/10 town read? Why are you trying to get a claim from a 7-8/10 town read?

And it's an illogical assumption that not remembering your posts Day 1 = not reading the entirety of Day 1. I've read the whole thread, but reading all of it doesn't mean you'll remember all of it 2+ weeks later, right?

Ok. I can't imagine you can't remember the following things: the wagon on me. The case I made on garm. How that case almost got him lynched, but got Silver Bard lynched over his vote switch onto garm? I don't need you remembering specifics, screw that, I need your opinion on all of that. And I certainly don't need you asking questions that have been answered end of Day 1.

I really can't imagine you reading the end of Day 1 and forgetting who I am.

Would you mind sharing your reads on everyone, Eek?

In a moment.

Do you solely weigh guilt, or do you also consider weakness and anti-Town play when giving a read?

What is this "guilt" crap?
I don't really see how offering a "weighted" read benefits anyone. You

clearly

have Kid A as a townie, yet you VOTE him and PUSH for a claim AND have him listed as a 4/10. Why are you hiding your "real" reads?

I haven't seen anyone sit harder on the fence than you are and when I called you out on your hypocricy on your vote-read on Kid A, you suddenly list him as an 7-8/10 and unvote him.

Unvote Kid A

.

Vote Wake88

.

I'm notsure what you mean by your first sentence. Would you please clarify?

I've unvoted him, Eek, since one person wanted me to give reads/scores based solely on innocence/guiltiness. Considering only that, I get the feeling that he's newbTown getting railroaded. He also needs to start paying attention and responding to my posts, else I would indeed have good reason to vote for him along those lines.

I'm develpoing my reads process. When I initiallygave my scores, it also incorporated anti-Town behavior and weak gameplay. That's what's what.

If you have any more questions I'm open to answering them.

[Wake1]

And I did forget there was a wagon on you.

Sorry, but a lot of my mind is focused in the real world, so I can't really devote time to remembering 75+% of everything said/done in this thread.

[Wake1]

Also, MME, this is why I do in-depth reads. Like the one on TvK.

It feels like I'm the one being pulled in a tug-of-war between you and SG. She doesn't want in-depth reads but wants general reads(which is general, and I'm skimming over all other player's ISOs), you don't want general reads but in-depth reads (where I go over stuff and give reads/opinions on much of what you've said).

[My Milked Eek]

It doesn't matter if you unvoted him or not.

You think he's a 7-8 out of 10 on a scum (1) to town (10) scale and you still voted him and asked for a claim. You cannot make this right. Ever. You asked for a claim on a very solid town read. Once again.

You asked for a claim on a very solid town read

. Not even mentioning you're the L-1 vote.

I bolded that one sentence for emphasis, but I could have bolded the entire paragraph. Your play does not make sense from a town POV.


Other points: You constantly have to say that you're acting in the town's benefits. That you're scumhunting. That anyone not cooperating with you on your stupid questionaires is acting against the behalf of the town.

It's all tell and never show.

And I'm not even mentioning the stupid questions, which you never used the answers to.

You're all about appearing to be town to the rest of us and not about scumhunting

. The fact that even after your "General Reads I" that I don't even know who you have as scumreads further proves my point.

[uote="Wake"]Sorry, but a lot of my mind is focused in the real world, so I can't really devote time to remembering 75+% of everything said/done in this thread.[/quote]
Then STOP making (empty) walls of posts that are probably taking you a lot of time. Time you could have used to read the game. This is just a weak excuse.

[My Milked Eek]

Also, MME, this is why I do in-depth reads. Like the one on TvK.

It feels like I'm the one being pulled in a tug-of-war between you and SG. She doesn't want in-depth reads but wants general reads(which is general, and I'm skimming over all other player's ISOs), you don't want general reads but in-depth reads (where I go over stuff and give reads/opinions on much of what you've said).

I don't want in-depth reads, I want something more in-depth that what you've posted. I want anything coming from your slot and all we're getting is questionaires and talk about how you're acting in behalf of the town.

I want you to catch up in the game and prove it. Not remembering the most important parts of Day 1 is pretty much definite proof that you're not reading this game.

[Wake1]

My reads:

Town: Regfan, ICE, SG, fitz, feryllt
Leaning town: penguin_alien (I just liked lolwagons)
Not so sure anymore: garmr
Leaning scum:
Scum: Wake, Kid A, TvK

Wake, if you want me to make a double spaced, three page long essay (I can even add fake grades), please fill out the appropriate request form.

For all the guff I've received from SG, I'd like to know what she thinks of your nearly-contentless reads in this post. Frankly I'd like to see if she'd apply the same measure to you.

[My Milked Eek]

That post contains more content than all your walls combined.

[Wake1]

Eek, if you're going to be so dismissive and unfair, I'll just ignore those portions of your posts because I don't need to here that kind of weighted nonsense.

Fferyllt, would you please wade into this discussion instead of just answering one question while floating by?

[Wake1]

I've got a gut Town read on Kid A, in spite of his poor Townplay.

Would someone please reiterate with fewer words why he's Scum that needs to die?

[Garmr]

If you got a gut town read on Kid A why the hell did you vote him.