Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[BBmolla]

When I flip town, can someone quote this with my flip?

^LOL nice going idiots. Reminder to check out my wagon, definitely full of scumfucks.

Don't listen to Voided, he's probably still scum. Donno about Nero.

Nacho thinks Upside Down to be town, so I guess consider that, but his attack on me was really shitty.

Badeagle is still probably town, just bald. Er. Flip those.

Last but not least, Ghostly Penguin is probably town. Ghostlin is better than this, he's playing like garbage. Where's the town conviction?

[BBmolla]

BBmolla,

Entrepreneur

, was lynched Day 5.

^LOL nice going idiots. Reminder to check out my wagon, definitely full of scumfucks.

Don't listen to Voided, he's probably still scum. Donno about Nero.

Nacho thinks Upside Down to be town, so I guess consider that, but his attack on me was really shitty.

Badeagle is still probably town, just bald. Er. Flip those.

Last but not least, Ghostly Penguin is probably town. Ghostlin is better than this, he's playing like garbage. Where's the town conviction?

Here someone just quote this post for me.

[BBmolla]

Ghostly Penguin is probably scum* just fix it when you quote it

[Espeonage]

^Don't forget, Upside Down goes tomorrow.

Man, I'd be happy to see him go today.

[BBmolla]

Vote: BBmolla

[Espeonage]

Unvote

Ok so I'm back from my V/LA. I have been reading along. Retaining all that info is another thing entirely. Fair sure I caught someone asking where I sent money last night and I'm pretty sure I already said I didn't. I really just want a flip right now. I want to get some reasons to vote someone but every time I try and pick something out and consolidate it in my mind I just get a list of 3 or so other people that have done the same shit. So bottom line is, I've thrown all my reads out the door until I get something else to vote on be it flip or shit that doesn't add up. So for now my vote is now there to be claimed by the highest bidder (ahahahaha, pun not literal before people start yelling at me).

I am happy to get behind pretty much any lynch right now. I have a total of two townreads. Myself and Mina, jury is still out on Faraday.

[Quilford]

prod-dodge

will post wednesday

[Ghostly Penguin]

Last but not least, Ghostly Penguin is probably

town

scum. Ghostlin is better than this, he's playing like garbage. Where's the town conviction?

(quote amended to reflect correction)

Ghostlin's been absent for going on 12 days now. I unfortunately am not better than this.

--PA

[Voidedmafia]

That's actually a reason why I find you scummy, you're acting like the ONLY reason that I find you scummy is 'cause of the "resistance" thing. Its not and that, to me, looks like a straight up scum defense.

There's also that you refused to look at the DP wagon.
Your buddying up to Muffin.
Your fence sitting on Molla and Mhork.

First one isn't scummy. If you think it is, kindly explain how refusing to do something due to playstyle is scummy, and even THEN you're stretching on this one.

How am I buddying Muffin?

Mhork I have a townread on, you know that, right? I can't fencesit on someone I have a solid townread on. As for Molla, if you've actually been READING, I'm getting more of a scumread on him.

So...yes. Unless you want to use the fact that I sided with Mhork during your little fight D2 as a reason (which would be beyond stupid IMO) or think of some other reason, you are only using resistance as a point against me.

Why would you be pissed off that your vote was frozen?

Well, ignoring the OBVIOUS fact that it wasn't MY vote that was frozen...

A.) What if I wanted to move my vote at some point?
B.) What if the read I have on the person I'm voting changes for the better?

Furthermore, are you really gonna tell me that Bald's usage wasn't stupid?

ummm no.

Best start explaining, then.

I don't really understand your timing thing "point" here. Just because you aren't the lead wagon makes you a not serious lynch candidate? You have been on the discussion block for lynch numerous times. This doesn't just go-away.

And yet is has, somehow. Like it or not, I'm not the person people want to lynch, and I haven't been for almost two days in a row. And even with catching that "scumslip" (prior to Mina realizing it wasn't), barely anyone even reacted to vote me. If that really hasn't "gone away" why do I not have a wagon on my right now? Why did no one start one when Mina found that slip once they understood what she was getting at?

And the answer to her voting her "biggest supporter" could either be to avoid a cross examination in the late stages of the game of setting up an ideal LYLO, or you both are scum and its a bus.

Even if we assume that LB is scum, what kind of LyLo are you think we're getting to? Anything more than a 3p LyLo (or even 5p) LB-scum could just keep me alive as a pocket investment.

As for the latter...that's still silly.

This argument is getting stale. We obviously have our different views on the subject. You are a worshiper, and I am the devils advocate. If I am scum for it, then put me in your scum-pile or vote me or whatever you want to do with me.

Well, if I was going to put you in the scumpile more, it'd be for something else.

(quote amended to reflect correction)

Ghostlin's been absent for going on 12 days now. I unfortunately am not better than this.

I'm confused...why would you do this?

(Also, lolBB)

[Voidedmafia]

I don't think you know what this means. At no point did I ever suggest that UD was scum.

And what does whatever you thought about UD have to do with it? If you actually read our initial problem, you'd know that's not it.

I can't even tell if this is intentional misrepping or if you're being that dense.

Anyone that's paying any sort of attention to this game and/or is not an idiot clearly sees that you've escaped 3 lynches. You and Muffin asking me to "prove" that is just fucking retarded.

1, really. The first two times I was only under consideration and not actually under threat of being lynched. And allow me to point out that you also escaped a lynch that one time, too?

(I had more to say here but it got lost in copypasting, so yeah.)

Why do you think scum would "give up" lynching you and lynch someone in your place?

Because they realized that whatever reasoning they were using to lynch me simply won't fly anymore, and because they couldn't find anything new that have to back off or look suspicious?

Possibly because they found that Seanald was far easier to lynch that me?

1. I'm not sure what you are asking here. Though do you really think the Sean wagon was scumless?

...Did I ever say that? How many times do you have to put words in my mouth so you can discredit my point?

And since you can't seem to understand it, my question is: Do you think that the initial push on Seanald by pie, etc. to be scumled or town honestly finding a scumslip to push?

2. ????

*sigh*

If you think the answer to #1 is that it was from an honest town attempt, then do you think scum latched on in the middle?

3. I know that I'm town, I don't know that your town. So I fail to understand why you think my being town should make me go "oh oh Voided is sooo town 'cause I'm town too!!!"

The same thing can be said about me. I know I'm town, but I don't know if you are. Everyone else certainly doesn't know for sure if we are, at least not as of D3. So why is that I'm the one who gets put under the gun after D3 when YOU were in the same boat yet get off scot-free? And no, saying that I was closer to a lynch won't work; prior to the Seanald wagon springing up both of us were the main wagons D3 and pretty much under equal threat of being lynched.

[zMuffinMan]

Not endgame per se, but invalidating cop results for fear that the target was the one player who got the ability is paranoid and devaluing the town power

even disregarding the fact that obv-investigation-target-nero had a lot of reason to go for it, i'm not invaliding the inno because of paranoia, i'm invalidating it because he looks like fucking scum and i don't want him anywhere near mylo. if we mislynch today, it's potentially mylo tomorrow, so leaving him alive today essentially includes the possibility of leaving him alive til endgame

[zMuffinMan]

(I had more to say here but it got lost in copypasting, so yeah.)

probably something to do with the way nero is not-so-subtly dodging the questions he's being asked to elaborate on (instead claiming the answers should be obvious)

you have amazing patience to even bother giving him serious replies anymore. my willpower has been completely sapped

[zMuffinMan]

When I flip town

i've always hated it when people use this phrase, mostly because it's something i associate with a scum mindset. town generally talk about after they're dead, when you lynch me, etc but don't need to emphasise flipping town.

if you're town, your wagon having scum on it isn't exactly rocket surgery. that's like the laziest last will i've ever seen.

[Harakiri]

Muffin if Nero's town we lynch Garuda 100% tomorrow, okay? Like, I'm willing to lose the game on that read if Nero is town.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[zMuffinMan]

i don't see nero flipping town as likely at all, but sure i'm probably fine with that

[Nero Cain]

Words can't express how sad I feel.

Muffin if Nero's town we lynch Garuda 100% tomorrow, okay? Like, I'm willing to lose the game on that read if Nero is town.

VOTE: Nero Cain

Why Nacho and not someone like Muffin/Mhork?

[Nero Cain]

Most people aren't scum reading him. Most people note the case on him is shit and it really hasn't felt like anyone has actually tried to determine his alignment, which screams lazy dumb lynch that won't hit scum.

like how does this not apply to me as well?

... how do you think it

does

apply to you? quite literally every part of that paragraph does not apply to you this game.

Yeah like you, Voided, Mhork etc. give a fuck about my town flip.

HEY, NERO! SINCE BB IS A WAGON DOES THAT MEAN I GET TO SAY THAT YOU'RE SCUM BECAUSE THERE'S RESISTANCE TO YOUR WAGON NOW?? HUH?? HUH??

nope. Muffin says that my resistance argument is bad and we know you agree with everything that Muffin says

My read on BBmolla has nothing to do with why you're not giving BB's and Aces's disconnect any thought or comparison to Mhork's.

And FYI, I only used disconnect to townread Aces and no one else.

……………………………………
Nero: I have a scum read on Mhork and one of the reasons that I’m scumreading him is ‘cause he’s coasting/disconnected etc.
Voided: But Aces was disconnected and he was town.
Nero: but you have Molla as a scum read and he’s disconnected.

And the bolded is just really really dumb. That has like absolutely nothing to do with the argument.

Though when I get back I'll tell ya'll who to kill so we can win.

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah like you, Voided, Mhork etc. give a fuck about my town flip.

heh

and only a few posts after i talked about why this sort of thing comes from a scum mindset

[Garuda]

HEY HEY
HO HO
NERO CAIN HAS GOT TO GO

HEY HEY
HO HO
NERO CAIN HAS GOT TO GO

[zMuffinMan]

also you seem to be continually conflating different ideas.

for example, you're arguing that mhork is scum for X, voided is pointing out X isn't a tell, and you're saying that bbMolla is doing X (not a tell) and coming to a non sequitur conclusion that voided can't have a scum read on bbMolla

also, your resistance argument was bad because you don't have decent grounds for claiming that the resistance was due to scum driving counter-wagons. i've asked you over and over and over to expand on this and you're either refusing to or unable to

[Voidedmafia]

i don't see nero flipping town as likely at all, but sure i'm probably fine with that

I don't think I am...

nope. Muffin says that my resistance argument is bad and we know you agree with everything that Muffin says

I'm sorry, I didn't know that because two people agree that your arguments are just plain stupid meant that they always agree with each other. Silly Voidedmafia, how could you forget that!

Also, I might. Cuz everyone knows that whenever there's a counterwagon to your own that means that there's resistance to the wagon on you, therefore you're scum. So, since the BB wagon (and by extension the UD wagon) is countering Nero's, Nero MUST be scum!

……………………………………
Nero: I have a scum read on Mhork and one of the reasons that I’m scumreading him is ‘cause he’s coasting/disconnected etc.
Voided: But Aces was disconnected and he was town.
Nero: but you have Molla as a scum read and he’s disconnected.

And the bolded is just really really dumb. That has like absolutely nothing to do with the argument.

So then why did you ask me about my Molla read? This has nothing to do with my read on Molla and everything to do with how selective you're being with the reasons you're using.

If you think Mhork is scum/my because of his coasting/disconnect, how is it different from Aces's disconnect?
If you think Mhork is scum/my because of his coasting/disconnect, does that mean you think that BBmolla is scummy as well because he's the same way?

And don't try to foist the last question off onto me again. I've already said that my reasons for scumreading BB don't have anything to do with how disconnected he is, and the only person I used that argument on was Aces.

Also, it's interesting how you completely ignored the other two major points that I was arguing with you about. Should I trust that you're getting to those, or are you ignoring them in hopes that I forget? (Granted, I probably will and then come back to you a couple days later, but still!)

Yeah like you, Voided, Mhork etc. give a fuck about my town flip.

Well, cuz...you most likely aren't town.

BBmolla

FTFY.

[Nero Cain]

If you are talking about 4159, I said I'll get to it later.

[zMuffinMan]

I don't think I am...

in the (somewhat unlikely?) event i am wrong about nero, i think garuda is probably scum

[Garuda]

Molla's answers don't fill me with confidence, yknow.

You're missing the conviction. Sometimes the content of what a person says doesn't matter at all; the key is how they say it (see: Nero, although content is pretty bad too).

I'm not even confident on Quilford anymore (both because his more recent posts were better and because Nacho is better at reading him than I am). And I have to leave the house in six hours, and really don't want to answer his wall right now.

(I'm also probably better at Nero reading than you are so let's lynch him?)

I am happy to get behind pretty much any lynch right now. I have a total of two townreads. Myself and Mina, jury is still out on Faraday.

Why not Nero?

Not endgame per se, but invalidating cop results for fear that the target was the one player who got the ability is paranoid and devaluing the town power.

Scum can share abilities, you know.

We roll a two-sided dice, if you roll a 1, you send all of your money to LB, and so on. The two townreads will bid for Night kill in attempt to keep it out of scum's hands.

4 townreads would be a better number, and no randomness (brute force over finesse) seems preferable to me.

Awesome though I fail to see how that's different from any other fucking game.

[Garuda]

There was a beautiful light that has something to do vaguely with lots of people flipping town and your catch up posts sucking big time.

Awesome though I fail to see how that's different from any other fucking game.