Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[havingfitz]

I was going to write a wall to your last post to me Wake and answer it point by point but as I was looking at it it appears you still failed to answer any of the questions I asked you in the post and you are simply regurgitating points that I answered in the post.
 
Is it a point of concern/suspicion with you that I did not explicitly state I was going to target Herself?
 
Are you saying it was not obvious Herself was someone I was considering given the facts 1) I told you specifically that I suspected Herself…2) I told TvK something along those lines (I don’t recall my exact words to TvK atm but my earlier response provided a link to my comments) and 3) I spent much of D1 embroiled in disagreement with Herself and was voting them at various times? 
 
Is it a point of contention with you that I did not promote more discussion of my intended target/s in the less than 24 hours that expired between my claim and TSB’s self hammer?  You made 3 posts after I claimed and never once thought to ask questions about who I might target?  Is that how town should behave?  I didn’t post the rest of Thursday evening after I claimed and the next morning in the ~4 hours I was around, I posted 5-6 times in which I did broach the subject of my target thought process.   And who could have seen TSB self hammering?  His action cut discussion short.  If asked I definitely would have revealed 2-3 Vig targets but that was not to be.  I repeat…in lieu of discussing it…anyone looking over my posts from D1 could have seen who my main suspects were.  If you lack the ability to deduce the obvious that’s not my problem.
 
I’m becoming less interested in answering your questions when you continue to avoid mine and answer them with questions of your own. 
 
As for me sparing no expense in pointing out my questions…I typically indicate them with a “?” at the end of the sentence containing the question/s.

[penguin_alien]

You seem to be all about the commentary rather than choosing to engage directly of your own volition.

I've played some games with Penguin, and currently her play feels to be more or less in line with what I expect. She isn't often the screaming leader of anything.

She and I have a couple of recent games played on opposite sides. She replaced in to both games. In the one where she was town and I was scum, she came after me pretty quickly and pretty strongly IIRC. "Strongly" is relative, though. She's no kuribo (hi kuribo egosearch!).

...I don't remember which games these were. I assume the me-scum, you-town is NY 164 for lack of anything else I remember, but the only you-scum game I remember is HP: CoS, and I was an original player there. And I didn't go after you until you goaded me into it, to my 20/20 hindsight dismay.

[fferyllt]

You seem to be all about the commentary rather than choosing to engage directly of your own volition.

I've played some games with Penguin, and currently her play feels to be more or less in line with what I expect. She isn't often the screaming leader of anything.

She and I have a couple of recent games played on opposite sides. She replaced in to both games. In the one where she was town and I was scum, she came after me pretty quickly and pretty strongly IIRC. "Strongly" is relative, though. She's no kuribo (hi kuribo egosearch!).

...I don't remember which games these were. I assume the me-scum, you-town is NY 164 for lack of anything else I remember, but the only you-scum game I remember is HP: CoS, and I was an original player there. And I didn't go after you until you goaded me into it, to my 20/20 hindsight dismay.

Oh, yeah. You were an original player. I think you must have been relatively inactive until late day 1. I didn't pay much attention to you until we needed some more mislynch options.

But, yeah, you were much more direct in your interactions in that game IMO.

[Squirrel Girl]

And I didn't go after you until you goaded me into it

@ffreylit - do you think this part is true? Because if so, I'm not sure where you're going with this one any longer.

[fferyllt]

And I didn't go after you until you goaded me into it

@ffreylit - do you think this part is true? Because if so, I'm not sure where you're going with this one any longer.

The timing of her

going after

me is true I think, but the commentary thing isn't about not

going after

players, it's about not

engaging

players. The direct engagement vs commentary holds in that game.


http://www.forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go

Note that the first 4 posts are on page 1. Two of those posts are direct questions to other players about their votes. That game went out of RVS-mode really fast thanks to CDB and Amrun. And note that she continued to ask lots of direct questions after that.

Also note that her first direct question to me came before I posted my first FoS of her, though it's a minor point - just that when she was around in that game she was not soley in commentary-mode.
Her ISO so far in this game is not nearly so direct.

[My Milked Eek]

It's a pretty solid reservation to have, what's stopping you from moving back to Kid A and also grumping that I did the same?

I wanted to get more out of Wake before we lynch anyone. Kid A's lynch is going to happen at this point, so why not make the most of the day before it's over? Don't get me wrong, I also want to see Kid A lynched, I just don't want to see it happen 5-7 days before the deadline. There's no need to rush things.

This directly contradicts a statement you've made earlier about how you hate dropping your vote until you're super sure. Except this time you specifically dropped your vote to get a PR claim from Kid A. The fact that he didn't drop a PR claim suggests that they weren't planning some silly thing in day chat and probably only one of them is scum.

This is an interesting observation and I feel it might hold some truth. Has Kid A posted anything after Wake's vote on him? -Yeah, he has:

"

also im not claiming because im not helping wake with his retarded plan to out / narrow down our masons

"

The irony of this statement is funny.

This page is inane.

I lol'ed at the truth in this post. But how do you feel about the interactions between wake and Penguin on that page? I just want to compare your observations with mine. I get a townvibe from penguin in those replies.


Wow, those 4-5 pages were quite empty.

[ICEninja]

Nothing lately has changed my view of the game. Kid A needs rope sooner than later, and then we can decide who can be scum with whom after we've got his scum flip.

If fitz doesn't die tonight its because of 3 possible reasons:
1) He's scum,
2) His reads are wrong and they aren't scared of him shooting them night 3,
3) They have either the remaining mason(s?) or protective role pegged.

Barring one of those 3 reasons scum can't really let him live, as lynching scum today then shooting scum tomorrow will virtually ensure town's victory if any confirmable town remains alive.

The day is stagnating. MME wants to milk (hah hah) this day for all its worth. I think we've already done that.

Rope? Rope.

[My Milked Eek]

Sure.

Unvote Wake. Vote: Kid A

[My Milked Eek]

That's L-1 iirc. Hammer away, anyone.

[Garmr]

With pleasure
UNVOTE: Wake
VOTE: Kid A

[Garmr]

Also eek not sure if your vote counts because of the spacing. Depends on the mod.

[My Milked Eek]

Nothing about it in the rules, so we're good.

[penguin_alien]

Since apparently we don't ask for claims before hammering any more, fferyllt, can you address this if you have time before day ends?

fferyllt, what's your read on TvK after Wake88's case that TvK was a mason, given the anti-town nature of the case and the fact that mafia apparently have day talk? I'm trying to decide if scum-TvK would react like that if he had coaching available.

[Wake1]

Should I die tonight and Kid flips Town, I suspect ICE, SG, MME, and Garmr. Those who were on the last wagon and this one (if Kid's Town), are much more suspect than others.

[Garmr]

Penguin alien I don't know where you been but

also im not claiming because im not helping wake with his retarded plan to out / narrow down our masons

[Garmr]

Why would anyone kill you wake ;/

[My Milked Eek]

Since apparently we don't ask for claims before hammering any more, fferyllt, can you address this if you have time before day ends?

fferyllt, what's your read on TvK after Wake88's case that TvK was a mason, given the anti-town nature of the case and the fact that mafia apparently have day talk? I'm trying to decide if scum-TvK would react like that if he had coaching available.

also im not claiming because im not helping wake with his retarded plan to out / narrow down our masons

[fferyllt]

Since apparently we don't ask for claims before hammering any more, fferyllt, can you address this if you have time before day ends?

fferyllt, what's your read on TvK after Wake88's case that TvK was a mason, given the anti-town nature of the case and the fact that mafia apparently have day talk? I'm trying to decide if scum-TvK would react like that if he had coaching available.

Pretty sure I voted TvK after Wake made that case. What would you think my read is?

[fferyllt]

This is another unnecessarily rushed day end. It wasn't in town's interest for this game day to end before Reg had a chance to post a catch up.

[fferyllt]

Looking at Garmr in particular.

[Wake1]

Garmr, MME, Kid A never claimed to be a Mason.

Why did you two vote the same and provide that quote after ICE's scummy push on Kid so quickly?

[Wake1]

Garmr, that hammer was beyond idiotic, and now Ffery is sizing you up for Day 3's lynch.

[fferyllt]

I don't know who I'll want to lynch on day 3, assuming I'm alive to lynch someone. Kid A's flip will obviously figure into my thoughts.

Mostly I'm pissed about the day ending so abruptly.

[Garmr]

Looking at Garmr in particular.

So is every other girl jokes jokes. But seriously I don't really mind being put in the spot light I adore it.

@Wake
I really don't mind she can size me up all she wants. I doubt town will hammer through scum will want to push.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Day 2, Votecount 9 (FINAL VOTECOUNT)

fferyllt [0]

Kid A [6] ICEninja, TvK, Squirrel Girl, havingfitz, My Milked Eek, Garmr

TvK [2]

Regfan, fferyllt

My Milked Eek [0]

penguin_alien [1]

Wake88

Regfan [0]

ICEninja [1]

Kid A

Garmr [0]

Squirrel Girl [0]

Wake88 [0]

havingfitz [0]

Not Voting [0]

- penguin_alien

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is on December 8th at 11:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-08 11:30:00)

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V/LA:
Wake88 - Until 12/5/2013 (More LA than V)
My Milked Eek - 12/6 - 12/8