NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Guyett]

Just stop with the super obv scum driven mislynch of hermy. She is lynchbait.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Last time Hermy was scummy like this... she was scum...

[Guyett]

what game?
I've seen her like this and she flipped town

[PeregrineV]

Could be MC Maraca tbh. His apparent PR could be faked and they bussed orc at the start of the day

what PR did she claim, and what results has she had?

[Angry Frat BROs]

AA9's chronicles of Narnia mafia.

pedit: HOLY FUCK p5 are you not reading the game.

claimed follower, N1 followed Orc and got that he killed, N2 hit a protective role.

[Angry Frat BROs]

(not sure if he ever actually used "follower," but that's what the role is called)

[Guyett]

Orcinus made an action of the killing type. At dinner with family but yeah.

Not saying who, but we have a protective role out there. More when I don't have a fever.

Crumbed role cop from this

Attention people voting orcinus:

If shit is faked ill know tomorrow.

Thank you.

If I soft any harder I think i'll dissolve in the rain holy fuck.

A: you're dumb
B: not quite

^For ISO

Cabdy, you know you're in a hydra right...

Also VOTE: Sakura I'm not voting Orc, like ever.

I do, but my phone doesn't!

[Guyett]

well claimed something

[PeregrineV]

AA9's chronicles of Narnia mafia.

pedit: HOLY FUCK p5 are you not reading the game.

claimed follower, N1 followed Orc and got that he killed, N2 hit a protective role.

I'll probably read back, but last time I was here fully we were debating lynching Orc and lynched Sakura instead.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Anyone else find it strange that Guyett said MC claimed role cop when the wording in 2087 indicates follower?

[Guyett]

I didn't even notice 2087 until it was pointed out. I thought his PR outing was odd at the start of D2. Also why did scum kill MVP instead of the outed PR that already found one scum?

[PeregrineV]

Anyone else find it strange that Guyett said MC claimed role cop when the wording in 2087 indicates follower?

You think Freudian slip?

[Guyett]

Lol I genuinely thought he was a role cop... looking back on it the orc preforming a killing action wouldn't make sense coming from a role cop :/

[Angry Frat BROs]

You think Freudian slip?

I want to hear how not me/Cabd/ffery/Nacho/Ceph people responded to 2087.

[Cephrir]

I'm not entirely sure how that could be a freudian slip unless you're suggesting [redacted].

[yessiree]

Herp Derp Hermy flipped town

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32511

[yessiree]

If Maraca is a follower, there is no way it ("it" for hydra) could be certain of orc's assignment if orc didn't perform the night kill

speaking of which it still intrigues me why orc performed the mafia kill; it's basically asking to be lynching the next day

so would like the discussion of MC's claim to halt, since it's all WIFOM

just accept that it is a town PR and carry on

[yessiree]

alignment*

[MC Maraca]

I just remembered this game exists hi!

Catching up.

[MC Maraca]

Tippy, is your vote policy; a scumread; or both?

[MC Maraca]

VOTE: orc

VOTE: sak
Site was down so we should get a short extension.
Dont want to lynch an un cc'd cop today

Why the 180 when orcinus was a very viable lynch day one?

[Guyett]

If Maraca is a follower, there is no way it ("it" for hydra) could be certain of orc's assignment if orc didn't perform the night kill

If Maraca is scum they could have just bussed Orc to make their fake claim more believable....

[PeregrineV]

If Maraca is a follower, there is no way it ("it" for hydra) could be certain of orc's assignment if orc didn't perform the night kill

If Maraca is scum they could have just bussed Orc to make their fake claim more believable....

This is true.

But why not give another day of contentious discussion, outting the cop, and trying to mislynch instead of bussing and lynching in just a few pages? Seems like a less-than-optimal move for scum.

[Guyett]

Spoiler: ctrl+f and mc mar pls

On FratBros:
I'm semi reluctant to go in depth and share all my reads lately, because people on this board have been reluctant to acknowledge the usefulness or validity of them. I play pretty differently it seems than most here, and it's a lot of work to make these elaborate cases, clearly explain them, and get people to follow me.

I'm also fighting a losing battle because it's becoming more and more clear to me that the scum in this game are the cool kids, and I'm not going to be able to lynch any of them if they just stick together and refuse to bus or break ranks.

A lot of what I do is based on profiling, and psychobabble bullshit. It's often nuance, but it's found in almost all human communication and it's fun/exciting for me. So, I keep my eyes open for it, and when I see clues I begin to apply pressure without revealing everything I saw. And then I look for patterns that ping. There's a couple with FratBros.

1) Do you have any empirical evidence backing that claim, because it looks like a load of bullshit.

2) Sorry not sorry that we're excited to play with a bunch of players that we like.

3) You missed the part where I said that I'm townreading all the active players other than RC (active being players with more posts than the mod at that time).

This hydra head here made some mistakes, unknowingly. I call this the burden of guilt. I've touched on this in other games, and I'll hit it again here. AngryFratBros knows he's scum, and is trying to hide it/mask it/refute it. The nuance of this comes across a couple times.

See line 1. He's challenging the basis of the argument, the means if you will, not the end. His phrasing and word choice is not saying "I'm town, you're retarded" it's saying, "Your argument is retarded/baseless, therefore I'm town." This is a window into what's going on inside his brain. Proof or GTFO is a common response from scum when called out. As if anybody ever really PROVES that somebody is scum on D1, without night info, or hard line evidence. But the psychology that manifest from a perspective of town or scum in this situation it is dramatically different. That word choice was confirmation for me that he is scum. After the clues I picked up on previously that made me suspect him. I've pegged other players on this site with methods like this before.

(In bussing Mara once, I used a similar tell to create my own original case against her. I took the town cred and went on to victory, where she called me a sweet mutha fucker and said she loved me. Now, no love. Why? Likely because Mara is scum too. But I digress, more later...) P-edit: Sakura onto it too.

But lets look at item 3) in the quote above. It's in response to:

I saw some town cheer leading "Scummers, get in here and post." which loosely translates to "I'm a posting machine, so obviously not scum. The scum just aren't posting."

He was hell bent on DEFENDING the accusation. So he defended the piece of it that he could, the "town cheerleading" as I called it (which, let's face it... was pretty bullshit and easy to refute.) But he didn't even see what I was really getting at and affirmed it on his own shortly after. I asked more to clarify and dig. Quick recap:

He showed up and started posting a storm. Shortly after, this gem:

There's a lot of people here who need to so something.

Especially the scum. Other than RC, none of the posters more prolific than the mod have pinged.

This is another window inside his brain. He's openly insinuating/stating that the scum aren't posting, as he's only got 1 scumread from the active player base. But this is two fold bad:
1) It's easier to setup a lynch on the less active, less vocal players. Derp Derp. Scum.
2) He's directly and indirectly demonstrating/validating/supporting a behavior that he's using to mask his scummy taint. He's not afraid to post a lot, be vocal. He's behaving that way. And he's also stating that the scum in this game are NOT posting a lot and being vocal. It's a complimentary maneuver. (this is the psychobabble)

After I asked a followup question to develop what I was onto a bit, he responded:

3) You called my comments to the lurkers "town cheerleading," when I made it plenty clear that I was townreading the vast majority of the active players. There are very few players (read: one) that I feel comfortable reading after only a few posts. That you're trying to spin that as "town cheerleading" is bad and you should feel bad.

Again, he's defending that cheerleading... not what I was really looking at. The behavior of posting a lot, saying scum aren't posting, and setting up an easy mislynch (town that isn't posting much.)

Easier to analyze behaviors:

Let's face it.... we have a pretty open vouch that something is up with RadiantCowbells. Along with enough of a breadcrumb that we can wait and see what shakes out. Why push that?

I laid out the momentum swing onto Guyett in a previous post. Scummy. As. Fuck. Why did he do that?

He actively defended Orcinus from me. I'm sure Orcinus is scum, and FratBros is scum. He knee jerked and defended him when I got on him. WHY WOULD YOU DEFEND SOMEBODY THAT JUST REPLACED INTO A GAME FROM ANOTHER PLAYER THAT'S HEATING HIM UP? It's anti-town behavior. Let me flame and fry and develop content. Don't stop me and defend somebody. Townies don't know alignment, so are reluctant to actively defend somebody else in the absence of a good solid read. He literally stepped right up and laid into defending his scum teammate from the big bad Bauss. Fail.

I have more, but time is short for me and I don't think FratBoys will hang today given my mapping of who's who. If you're town, you should just sheep me and we'll lynch two scum back to back.

Scum list:
FratBoys - high certainty
Orcinus (Rank) - high certainty
Mara - medium certainty

Since we are informing the player base of your knowledge/opinion of me:
"Well that was certainly fun to watch. Bauss played a damn good game from an outsider's POV" - Cabd from Newbie 1386

I played scum with Mara in that game. With Rank, TIP, and Nacho as town. You can't act like you don't have a recognition or appreciation for my skill as a player. And from that perspective or understanding of you, your reactions/behavior don't jive (the stuff I'm questioning you on that you won't answer.) That means you're not town. You're scum too. I just don't get why you and FratBoyz thought it wise to try and defend Orcinus from me (directly and indirectly.) Is he a special scum role holder? Role blocker maybe? Is there potential for a godfather in this setup?

Updated reads:
FratBoys scum (he didn't even laugh at my GTL joke, he tried to defend against it. Only angry scum doesn't laugh at Jersey Shore jokes.)
Orcinus scum
MC Maraca scum

I'm busy for a few days but I'm reading, just posting light

VOTE: Orcinus

I just can't read anymore of the crap coming from him and FratBoys. Its not even mediocre scum play, it just makes me sad.

MC Maraca, I'll respond when Cabd responds to me. Pretty sure I asked him some questions first.

Cephrir, did I miss a response from you? And why is your vote on somebody that you don't think is scum? Did I read that right?

And in case a miracle happens and I wake up to find Orcinus lynched:
Scum = FratBoys, MC Maraca
They'll both be near impossible to hang with their teammates holding votes (as evidenced by today.) So an overnight kill would be ideal.

Votecount 1.25

Guyett [L-3] - PeregrineV, Sakura Hana,

orcinus_theoriginal

, TheIrishPope, Toomai,

Angry Frat BROs

JacobSavage [L-4] - sangres,

MC Maraca

,

orcinus_theoriginal

, Cephrir, Hermy

JacobSavage [L-4] - sangres,

MC Maraca

, Cephrir, Hermy,

Angry Frat BROs

RadiantCowbells [L-4] -

MC Maraca

, TheIrishPope, RadiantCowbells, Cephrir,

orcinus_theoriginal

caledfwitch [L-3] -

MC Maraca

, Guyett, Cephrir, sangres,

orcinus_theoriginal

,

Angry Frat BROs

4 potentially viable wagons for today, outside of FratBros and Orcinus for today. Look at who is on most of them. This isn't rocket science. Orcinus has been on ALL of them. FratBros and McMaraca on 3 each.

Bauss, if you had to declare a 4th and 5th scumread, who would those be?

I'll post a reads list, given that the day is almost done and I think it's important for town to be able to evaluate post flip.

Scum list (all described earlier):
FratBros
Orcinus
MCMaraca

Leaning scum:
Cephrir (described this earlier)

I'll go out on a limb and continue to be suspicious of:
TIP (I literally can't sort him)
Sangres (I've been horribly wrong about both of these players in the past)

Null:
Sakura
Toomai
Hermy
JacobSavage

Town:
Yessiree
RC
Peregrine
MVP
caledwitch
Guyett

[Cephrir]

I've been thinking about this out of thread a little. If Cabd were lying, there would be some really obvious parallels to a certain other game, which I modded.

I find it hard to believe he would try to pull that shit with me in the game.

On the other hand, this is Cabd we're dealing with.