Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Wisdom]

It is a major scumhunting tool, but not the only one, unfortunately for you.

[Whiskers]

Where the fuck did I not understand something Matt said, Whiskers?

Nearly

every post Matt makes, you make a corresponding post asking him something about it-- and then go off to have a nice fun conversation in which nothing happens and no conclusions are reached.

Spoiler: Figure 1

So Matt, if you were willing to hammer me, why don't you vote me?

You think I was going to hammer you then?

@Matt
I don't know, you said you would

I'm simply surprised you didn't consider it being a lie

Maybe I did

Righty-o

Spoiler: Figure 2

I'll go ahead and own up on this one-- I mistook what the quote chain started with (it was a post from shos).
So instead, this is a case of MattP sticking his fingers in

your

post, needlessly, and without consequence.

Why are you trying to discredit mollie's read?

Why are you trying to discredit mollie's read?

You could have coupled that question with a vote, yes?

I could, if I felt he was scummier than mala.

I could, if I felt he was scummier than mala.

Well I'm not gonna try to dissuade you, I'll let the duck quack for itself.

Spoiler: Figure 3

And this one is a bit of a stretch-- you weren't actually interacting with MattP

directly

... you were just finishing his conversation for him.

Also, does anybody want to remind me why shos is scum?

I think I would find it more helpful if you reminded me why he's not scum so that I had something concrete to reference in my response.

Oh, well I think he sounds like scum. That's probably where we disagree. It's his melodrama of his tone and fixation on inconsequential, theoretical arguments more so than the quantity of his text during his catchup.

But it's ok, sooner or later he'll probably accidentally post his scum role PM on the thread or something and we can all lynch him without much of a discussion.

Oh, well I think he sounds like scum. That's probably where we disagree. It's his melodrama of his tone and fixation on inconsequential, theoretical arguments more so than the quantity of his text during his catchup.

Erp-- you probably don't like me much here then either, do you?

Oh, I'm sorry for giving the impression that I don't like shos much. I think he's a very nice guy. He just drew scum. Regardless, I have no possible way of comparing you with shos in any form because you're both two unique lil snowflakes in a winter wonderland

Because she is town.

Trust me on penguin, grim. She is different as town.

@whiskers
It's called meta, and for many of us it's a primary scumhunting tool. You'll have to deal with it.

If we use it, it means it works for us.

Why such an overreaction anyway?

Then nearly every post until 406 is directly addressing you, or in reply to you, not counting the reads he posted twice.

Spoiler: Figure 4

Here is MattP talking to someone other than you:

Well also btw Grimgroove scumslipped so we have GG and Shos as scum

How is it a scum slip? My opinion was that it was a preemptive announcement. Finally you realize I am town. What can I do to convince you ooba is town?
I'm with you on the penguin scum read. Why is her vote still on me? She has forgotten about her vote.

This confusion was cleared up later between myself and Wisdom.

I am pretty certain Ooba is town, as I said prior. I am LESS certain than I could be if he stopped using pictures and wrote more text. He'll eventually do this and within the next few RL days I'll settle my feelings. I don't really need convincing as of this moment.

I don't have Penguin as a scumread, I have him as "Eh" along with Desperado. Grim and Shos are my scumreads.

(however 427 makes me read P_A as scum. I think given a Grim/Penguin/Shos scumteam, where all three are in the spotlight, it's not unworldly that they would all mass buddy to try to get themselves out of such a ridiculously dire situation on page 18 of the game. Regardless, Shos is the only player I would lynch today, and I can worry more about relational tells tomorrow.)

Here is you getting jealous and butting in:

It would make more sense if penguin/Grim were scum WKing shos-town though :/

Nacho sheeping people felt a little weird, I'm too used to him being the leader. At least he agrees with the reads.

MattP is perfectly fine with the arrival of his boyfriend:

It seems that a strange rift has formed between one group of people (Shos, Grim, Whiskers, Penguin) and another (everyone else) where the former is scumreading Mala, myself, and Wisdom; and the latter is scumreading Shos (and to varying degrees Penguin, Whiskers and Grim). There is essentially no fluidity between the reads of these two groups, aka there is no single person that scumreads BOTH someone from [Mala, MattP, Wisdom] and [Penguin, Whiskers, Grim, Shos].

Very strange, slightly unsettling. Potentially a great thing.

Pedit: Nacho has sheeped me before, and I thought he was scum that game, and he was town.

EBWOP: Well, I thought he was town and then scum when PoE left us in a terrible situation where pretty much everyone left was town as fuck. We chose right in the end anyway.

Then there's another mini conversation about how Grimgroove is town or something where you were being townies, you know, the uninformed majority, and then all of a sudden one of you (in that case, MattP) taps the other on the shoulder and says, "Oh, by the way, only other player of my alignment, I have arrived at the conclusion that this and this."

---

And I can't say that makes you scum. But I can say that no other players in the game have the relationship that you have. It's really great that you trust each other

so much

. You must be so happy together.

[Whiskers]

Also I'm pretty sure I just quoted about 90% of Matt's ISO, and probably 50% of yours. You two talk to each other. A lot. And to other players? A lot less.

[Wisdom]

Figure 1 - I pretended I didn't understand he was reaction testing me to see his reaction. It was genuine, he immediately revealed it was a test and was confused at my reaction. Conclusion reached? He is town.
Figure 2 - Matt sees I am on to shos, who he is also suspecting. He urges me to vote him, as I was voting Mala, who he was townreading. He further tells me that I am wrong on Mala. Result? I reconsidered and saw I was wrong on Mala, and I had the added support that I was right in what I was seeing about shos.
Figure 3 - This is completely incorrect, I was responding to your post where you said that each player has his tells and stuff. Nothing to do with your discussion with Matt.
Figure 4 - I was responding to 430, which was not addressed at Mirari, but was a general comment about what the scumteam is.

What you don't like is that me and Matt know each other are town and are working together, and you try to call that buddying or whatever. Too bad.

[ooba]

Wisdom can't understand and has to dip his fingers into every post MattP makes,

And he is now even using misreps to make conclusions. This is done by scum, every time.

Whoa, whoa, I thought we could only use meta, man. Only meta tells are effective in scumhunting. It is the

major scumhunting tool!

A lot of (needless) hostility in this post and the one above. I can understand if you thought he was scum (some people get angry and are rude at scum suspects) - but this looks like you're trying to undermine\ridicule Wisdom.

Do you guys have a playing history?

[Wisdom]

You still didn't explain where I didn't understand something Matt said.

And you still have not explained how penguin has been any useful. Don't think I'll drop it.

[ooba]

A lot of (needless) hostility in this post and the one above.

By above - I meant Whisker's post with the spoilers.

[Wisdom]

@ooba
No, first game with him. And I do think he is scum.

[ooba]

@ooba
No, first game with him. And I do think he is scum.

I wanted to check because I can also attribute that behaviour to bad blood from previous games.

Since it's not - I do believe we have something here.

Unvote. Vote: Whiskers

If Whiskers is scum, I'd wager that the person who confused Wisdom and Whiskers isn't scum with Whiskers.

[Wisdom]

That was shos.

[pirate mollie]

@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

how does it look like sour grapes

[Desperado]

@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

I also don't like Desperado at all. I expected much more from him than just this. He is not scumhunting.

hahahahaha what

If you don't think I'm scumhunting the how about you shut the fuck up and leave me alone then?

[Desperado]

@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

how does it look like sour grapes

Why is Whiskers scum?

[Wisdom]

@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

I also don't like Desperado at all. I expected much more from him than just this. He is not scumhunting.

hahahahaha what

If you don't think I'm scumhunting the how about you shut the fuck up and leave me alone then?

Umm, what?
Why would I leave you alone?

[pirate mollie]

@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

how does it look like sour grapes

Why is Whiskers scum?

the pissiness looks fake and it looks like she is trying to work at coming up with a reason as to why nacho is scum and I am not town scum reading nacho but if whiskers flips scum nacho is for sure town but to me it is more about the fake meltdowns

[Desperado]

@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

I also don't like Desperado at all. I expected much more from him than just this. He is not scumhunting.

hahahahaha what

If you don't think I'm scumhunting the how about you shut the fuck up and leave me alone then?

Umm, what?
Why would I leave you alone?

Because I clearly am scumhunting, and you bothering me about how I'm not isn't going to help either of us

[Desperado]

@ Mollie: Why are you hesitant to vote shos when he was intentionally playing scummy in Doctor mafia because he was the nurse? He said as much in thread. I also agree with Ooba, your Whiskers vote just looks like sour grapes to me. Who do you actually think is scum?

how does it look like sour grapes

Why is Whiskers scum?

the pissiness looks fake and it looks like she is trying to work at coming up with a reason as to why nacho is scum and I am not town scum reading nacho but if whiskers flips scum nacho is for sure town but to me it is more about the fake meltdowns

I think your fake meltdown point is trash. I don't think Whiskers has been melting down at any point, she seems extremely confident in what she's pushing, and I think it's too dependent on other people who aren't Whiskers doing the same thing to you recently. "Fake scum meltdowns are a fad now" is not a reason to think someone is scum.

So who else?

[Desperado]

A lot of (needless) hostility in this post and the one above. I can understand if you thought he was scum (some people get angry and are rude at scum suspects) - but this looks like you're trying to undermine\ridicule Wisdom.

pssssst

he does think wis is scum

[Desperado]

Like it really looks like Whiskers is being voted for being a big meanie and for not being one of the cool kids.

^Does no one understand that Whisker's "hostility" is related to feeling left out/threatened by a bunch of people who clearly know each other and are using tools that he can't given the circumstances?

You in particular, mollie, should have seen this. Whisker looks exactly like I looked in Maniacal.

[Desperado]

Yeah mollie is scum with penguin.

Unvote
Vote: Mollie

[Wisdom]

Yeah, no

[ooba]

Umm Des?

And I can't say that makes you scum. But I can say that no other players in the game have the relationship that you have. It's really great that you trust each other so much. You must be so happy together.

[Desperado]

Yup. Mollie is talking to Penguin like she is townreading her the biggest defense she mustered was against Mala, who wasn't even pushing Penguin that hard (and was getting heat at the time).

And none of mollie's pushes have made any sense at all. Wagonned Nacho during the defensive thing, wagoned Ooba for trolling, wagoned Whiskers for being mean.

Why are you townreading her?

PEdit: He can't say it makes them scum together.

[Desperado]

Like Whiskers' ISO makes it pretty clear he thinks Wis and Matt are scum together. How are you missing that??

[Wisdom]

And you're okay with such nonsense. You're not this stupid.