Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Nachomamma8]

i do think you are a good player baby

[Deacon Blues]

But how will I know who scum are if you're not around to hold my hand?

Also, I know you claimed omgus on ot, but what do you think of my reasoning for rufflig scum?

Pedit: nacho

i dunno rufflig scum seems pretty likely but i always think rufflig scum

Yeah I keep reminding myself of the Dr Who game. Though I did start with a town-flash impression in that game.

[Mac]

Its actually great Mac

no it's not at all ever.

Also what makes you think scum don't start wagons?

are you scumreading nacho?

Haven't read the game.

Here. Have some incentive to do so.

VOTE: Tammy

not great. a cheap place to park your vote and make it look like you're doing something.

yeah ok that's terrible.

VOTE: rufflig

i was thinking that prohawk would've been more productive but this works as well

there's something about this post that feels off. maybe it's the fact you took so long to vote rufflig?

where's mara? did she draw scum?

vote: prohawk

i think his running away at L-1 wasn't town motivated. i remember doing that as scum once, named my buddy and one of those on my wagon, and i got townread for it too. i want more from him.

i could also vote kaze, possibly rufflig but im not too mad about it aaaand possibly orcinus. which saddens me

[Tammy]

Mac - I'm not scum reading nacho...yet >_>...but that wasn't the point of the question. I was trying to gauge laze.

[Tammy]

*kaze

[Deacon Blues]

aaaand possibly orcinus

Talk to me about this.

[Deacon Blues]

Also, p sure Kaze is town.

[Nachomamma8]

Is orc town?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'd offer to talk to nacho but i know that probably won't amount to anything

mac what's up

[Deacon Blues]

Is orc town?

flashes of paranoia about how easily he townread me. And the flashes of paranoia feel a little off. I feel like real paranoia would look more like that at-arms-length feel I had about him in the NY 165 game. He wasn't pushing me often, but he definitely wasn't buying my early reads wholesale.

[Mac]

aaaand possibly orcinus

Talk to me about this.

his play feels off this game. he doesn't feel town. gut perhaps.

meanwhile, you can talk to me about kaze?

[Mac]

i'd offer to talk to nacho but i know that probably won't amount to anything

mac what's up

hang on orci we'll talk it out. give me a sec to figure out what's churning my stomach.

[Nachomamma8]

Is orc town?

flashes of paranoia about how easily he townread me. And the flashes of paranoia feel a little off. I feel like real paranoia would look more like that at-arms-length feel I had about him in the NY 165 game. He wasn't pushing me often, but he definitely wasn't buying my early reads wholesale.

these thoughts reflect my own.

[Nachomamma8]

i'd offer to talk to nacho but i know that probably won't amount to anything

mac what's up

i was expecting another discredit regardless of your alignment, which is sort of sad.

[Deacon Blues]

aaaand possibly orcinus

Talk to me about this.

his play feels off this game. he doesn't feel town. gut perhaps.

meanwhile, you can talk to me about kaze?

Scum Kaze:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He was scum with me, replaced in partway through day 1. This game was the basis for his accusation that I could be manipulating my meta results, because I handwaved the hell out of his meta to call him null-town.


His first scum game (also his first MS game)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I can go through a detailed analysis if I really need to, but I think the differences are pretty obvious

[Mac]

your early vote on fuzzy felt like you were trying to take advantage of what kaze was trying to pull with the gambit. you did say it was for him being awkward though, which summed up how i was feeling but it annoyed me how it came after the vote.

fery if you're manipulating me here i'll kill you

i think you are town though

this felt forced and i didn't understand why you felt the need to post it as town.

voting in spirit with tammy wasn't great either: why not just vote with her instead? you were called out by rufflig (albeit poorly) and then you reacted by claiming it solidified your scumread on him (and then actually voting him.) it's like you were avoiding the wagon until it became easier to hop on.

meh. you're not my top scumread, but you're there and i'm worried.

[Mac]

aaaand possibly orcinus

Talk to me about this.

his play feels off this game. he doesn't feel town. gut perhaps.

meanwhile, you can talk to me about kaze?

Scum Kaze:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He was scum with me, replaced in partway through day 1. This game was the basis for his accusation that I could be manipulating my meta results, because I handwaved the hell out of his meta to call him null-town.


His first scum game (also his first MS game)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I can go through a detailed analysis if I really need to, but I think the differences are pretty obvious

so he's more serious as scum? i really briefly skimmed that iso but that was the main thing i gathered.

[fferyllt]

aaaand possibly orcinus

Talk to me about this.

his play feels off this game. he doesn't feel town. gut perhaps.

meanwhile, you can talk to me about kaze?

Scum Kaze:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He was scum with me, replaced in partway through day 1. This game was the basis for his accusation that I could be manipulating my meta results, because I handwaved the hell out of his meta to call him null-town.


His first scum game (also his first MS game)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I can go through a detailed analysis if I really need to, but I think the differences are pretty obvious

so he's more serious as scum? i really briefly skimmed that iso but that was the main thing i gathered.

More serious, softer stances, and more non-scumhunting content. Note particularly all the complaining about meta and discussion prior games in the first link. I did a read of all his completed games for the first game I played with him because he was getting FoSed and somewhat run-up. I had a town read, but wasn't listened to as much as I liked, so I threw some meta reasons to go with the in-thread stuff I thought made him town.

Anyway, his playstyle has evolved since that first game, and it appears to be taking another turn. But, the fundamentals are still there wrt to his town game.

[Deacon Blues]

aaaand possibly orcinus

Talk to me about this.

his play feels off this game. he doesn't feel town. gut perhaps.

meanwhile, you can talk to me about kaze?

Scum Kaze:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He was scum with me, replaced in partway through day 1. This game was the basis for his accusation that I could be manipulating my meta results, because I handwaved the hell out of his meta to call him null-town.


His first scum game (also his first MS game)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I can go through a detailed analysis if I really need to, but I think the differences are pretty obvious

so he's more serious as scum? i really briefly skimmed that iso but that was the main thing i gathered.

More serious, softer stances, and more non-scumhunting content. Note particularly all the complaining about meta and discussion prior games in the first link. I did a read of all his completed games for the first game I played with him because he was getting FoSed and somewhat run-up. I had a town read, but wasn't listened to as much as I liked, so I threw some meta reasons to go with the in-thread stuff I thought made him town.

Anyway, his playstyle has evolved since that first game, and it appears to be taking another turn. But, the fundamentals are still there wrt to his town game.

damn it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'd offer to talk to nacho but i know that probably won't amount to anything

mac what's up

i was expecting another discredit regardless of your alignment, which is sort of sad.

I also didn't like orc's "oh ffery I don't want to think you're manipulating me" or some crap like that, but I can't read orc worth a crap so take that with several grains of salt.

gee oh gee i wonder fucking why

[Deacon Blues]

Happy Scumday Orci!

[The Rufflig]

What!!!?

My post was bad??? Did any of you read orcinus' post? And you don't see it? What is this a newbie game where I have to explain everything? Fine.

What was wrong with orcinus' post was a few things. Voting in spirit is egging on a wagon that one is not a part of and has not commented on -- very bad. It is vague and

non-committal

. Second, orcinus' vote was only on Prohawk as a pressure vote, if he thought he had ground to vote someone else there was absolutely no town reason not to do change his vote - don't tell me he simply forgot considering the words he used. Scum, however, would be more inclined to see which way the wind blows before making a stand one way or another - which is exactly the sort of behavior orcinus displayed.

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@Minami no Hana: None of the players I listed had taken any stands on any players. I was quite willing to pressure any of them. (Unless you want to count "Oh and I want to give fuzzy a hug, which means he's town." a stand.)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

your early vote on fuzzy felt like you were trying to take advantage of what kaze was trying to pull with the gambit. you did say it was for him being awkward though, which summed up how i was feeling but it annoyed me how it came after the vote.

I voted him initially as a reaction test. I kept my vote on him because he was being weird.

fery if you're manipulating me here i'll kill you

i think you are town though

this felt forced and i didn't understand why you felt the need to post it as town.

Because I am friends with fery and so I do have banter with her sometimes.

Also because I feel like she might have been doing something that was focused on me if she were scum

voting in spirit with tammy wasn't great either: why not just vote with her instead? you were called out by rufflig (albeit poorly) and then you reacted by claiming it solidified your scumread on him (and then actually voting him.) it's like you were avoiding the wagon until it became easier to hop on.

Yeah sorry this doesn't make sense. Like I said I thought the Prohawk wagon would be more productive, so that's where I kept my vote until Rufflig said something really stupid.

It's almost like I voted Rufflig when Rufflig became scummier!!!

meh. you're not my top scumread, but you're there and i'm worried.

[Nachomamma8]

gee oh gee i wonder fucking why

Does it seem like I'm tunneling you?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What!!!?

My post was bad??? Did any of you read orcinus' post? And you don't see it? What is this a newbie game where I have to explain everything? Fine.

What was wrong with orcinus' post was a few things. Voting in spirit is egging on a wagon that one is not a part of and has not commented on -- very bad. It is vague and non-committal. Second, orcinus' vote was only on Prohawk as a pressure vote, if he thought he had ground to vote someone else there was absolutely no town reason not to do change his vote - don't tell me he simply forgot considering the words he used. Scum, however, would be more inclined to see which way the wind blows before making a stand one way or another - which is exactly the sort of behavior orcinus displayed.

Do not force me to use my hug of death

1) Voting in spirit is me commenting on how the vote on you was a good vote
2) My vote on prohawk was not just a pressure vote. I feel like Prohawk would've been more active in this game if he were town. Same goes for mara.
3) You had one vote on you. Prohawk was at L-1 a while back. "Seeing which way the wind blows" makes no sense since I switched from Prohawk TO you.