Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[My Milked Eek]

Also:

V/LA from Dec. 6 to Dec. 8

[Garmr]

happy scumday eek.

[Garmr]

oh wait birthday

[fferyllt]

No, that's about Wake and his faked doc claim in that game I linked.

I hope he's scum. It turns my stomach that a town player would do this and then walk away.

[fferyllt]

Scope fits with the theme of the game, dummies.

I don't understand this, fferyllt;

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He backs off this bullshit in his next post or we 1v1.

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If there's someone claiming to be a cop with a positive on me, I wouldn't even doubt his alignment, that dude is scum. Why are you being so careful? If I were you, I'd go after Wake and I wouldn't try to have him back off on his cop claim. What are you hoping he's going to do? "Oh, right, I see. No, I got a scum result on you, but I'll back down, now that you've put it that way.".


I'm inclined to believe Wake for the following reasons:
- his claim feels really nervous. But not scum fakeclaiming nervous. More like a "first time cop getting scum" kind of getting nervous. It's exactly the same as how I claimed the first time I was cop.
- your reaction to the claim is really wrong. Absolutely wrong.
- your frustration at the beginning of D3 towards the end of D2 is fake. It feels super rehearsed.

Vote: fferyllt

You're a fucking idiot if you're town.

[My Milked Eek]

No you are.

[My Milked Eek]

I too can ad hom.

[fferyllt]

Eek he has a history of stupid town gambits.

I think this is probably a stupid town gambit. And that means he's on my team whether I like it or not.

If I'm wrong I'll know with his next post.

[My Milked Eek]

What would the town gambit be in this case? Just to be clear.

[My Milked Eek]

oh wait birthday

Thanks!

[fferyllt]

What would the town gambit be in this case? Just to be clear.

The fake guilty provokes my reaction, which is likely not what he expects assuming he's town because my approach to mafia is apparently often non-intuitive to a lot of other players. But in theory he could have gotten a better idea of my alignment this way if he had genuine doubts. In most gambits, though, the reactions of other players may be an even bigger take. Who ignores it. Who sniffs around it but doesn't bite. Who throws additional suspicions but doesn't bite. And who bites, and how much do they fart around first.

[fferyllt]

oh wait birthday

Thanks!

I yelled at you on your birthday. :/

Apologies.

[My Milked Eek]

What would the town gambit be in this case? Just to be clear.

The fake guilty provokes my reaction, which is likely not what he expects assuming he's town because my approach to mafia is apparently often non-intuitive to a lot of other players. But in theory he could have gotten a better idea of my alignment this way if he had genuine doubts. In most gambits, though, the reactions of other players may be an even bigger take. Who ignores it. Who sniffs around it but doesn't bite. Who throws additional suspicions but doesn't bite. And who bites, and how much do they fart around first.

Are we talking about the same Wake?

[Garmr]

VOTE: TvK

I felt he should of been pushing me earlier through day 2 and only really tried to push me late day.


Curious to see wakes response fferylt. Also fferylt is being more aggressive than her other game -On the boat- In that game when she got lynched due to roles she was more submissive and less emotional. It could be wake doing a gambit but I don't see the point in fferylt exposing the gambit so early if she caught on.

Side note Ferrylt response to me showed me I'm to self centered when hunting Probably a wake up call no matter her alignment.

[My Milked Eek]

Garm, do you believe the claim or not? Haven't seen your reaction and/or comment to it. Just a passing comment on how you found fferyllt scummy before.

[fferyllt]

What would the town gambit be in this case? Just to be clear.

The fake guilty provokes my reaction, which is likely not what he expects assuming he's town because my approach to mafia is apparently often non-intuitive to a lot of other players. But in theory he could have gotten a better idea of my alignment this way if he had genuine doubts. In most gambits, though, the reactions of other players may be an even bigger take. Who ignores it. Who sniffs around it but doesn't bite. Who throws additional suspicions but doesn't bite. And who bites, and how much do they fart around first.

Are we talking about the same Wake?

I'm talking about the potential benefit of a good, well executed town gambit. In a game I played a few months ago one player actually executed 3 different gambits that all contributed to a town win when we were pretty much up against the wall. He faked an innocent on a player about to be lynched on day 3 that he had a strong town read on (that player was me). He faked a neighborhood with a dead player and "channeled" that player's so called advice and reads. It worked because there had already been a similar neighborhood with the same dead player. And finally at 3 person LYLO he claimed survivor and invited the last scum to out, and he'd hammer the town player. The scum took him up on it and he hammered them instead. He was vanilla town.

Irrelevant to this situation probably, but it's a good read and a really unique game design.

Paradox Prime: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=29264

The player was Cabd, part of the MC Maraca hydra. I was part of the Rift Adrift hydra.

[Garmr]

Garm, do you believe the claim or not? Haven't seen your reaction and/or comment to it. Just a passing comment on how you found fferyllt scummy before.

To be honest I think it's a gambit Otherwise I wouldn't of voted TvK. But I'm worried about fferylt.

[My Milked Eek]

I'm talking about the potential benefit of a good, well executed town gambit. In a game I played a few months ago one player actually executed 3 different gambits that all contributed to a town win when we were pretty much up against the wall. He faked an innocent on a player about to be lynched on day 3 that he had a strong town read on (that player was me). He faked a neighborhood with a dead player and "channeled" that player's so called advice and reads. It worked because there had already been a similar neighborhood with the same dead player. And finally at 3 person LYLO he claimed survivor and invited the last scum to out, and he'd hammer the town player. The scum took him up on it and he hammered them instead. He was vanilla town.

Irrelevant to this situation probably, but it's a good read and a really unique game design.

Paradox Prime: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=29264

The player was Cabd, part of the MC Maraca hydra. I was part of the Rift Adrift hydra.

Ok. Thanks for that exposition, I'm fascinated and I've put that game on my read list. But that was not my question.

[My Milked Eek]

Garm, do you believe the claim or not? Haven't seen your reaction and/or comment to it. Just a passing comment on how you found fferyllt scummy before.

To be honest I think it's a gambit Otherwise I wouldn't of voted TvK. But I'm worried about fferylt.

What worries you about fferyllt?

[fferyllt]

Well, do you think town-Wake would do a gambit without some objective in mind? He's faking a guilty. If he's town faking a guilty then there are two options - he is doing it for the reactions, or he's actually convinced I'm scum and thinks he can force my lynch this way.

I'm a pretty un-self-aware player in a lot of ways. I don't always get why someone townreads me or scumreads me, but I think I've been unambiguous in this game. So, I've discounted the 2nd option. If that's what he's doing it's abysmally stupid since there's the potential for two mislynches.

[Garmr]

@eek
Her aggression usually she's nice and how she pretty much town read every town flip before it happened.

[fferyllt]

@eek
Her aggression usually she's nice and how she pretty much town read every town flip before it happened.

Usually?

You've missed a ton of my games then. I have a reputation for snark.

[fferyllt]

My hydra partner characterizes my play:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5132727
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5132738

Some examples of me snarking or losing my temper as town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5323422
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4887303
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5130350

More on demand.

[Garmr]

You always been nice to me through so this my first time seeing meanie T through that's not necessarily a bad thing .

[fferyllt]

You always been nice to me through so this my first time seeing meanie T through that's not necessarily a bad thing .

It's player list dependent to a degree. But, I also have very little patience with crappy gambits.

If I were scum and someone got a guilty on me on day 3 with an intact scum team, I'd be strongly inclined to fade out of the thread and try not to leave associative tells to my team.