Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[Wake1]

I suspect Regfan as her Scumpartner.

1) In part because of Regfan being the only one smack-dab within the fury of the fake Doc claim, and being more than capable of sending Ffery a note.

2) In spite of him believing I'm Town he's actually voting against his Town read.

3) He left no third option (the right option) that I'm telling the truth.

4) Also argues there's only two Scum in a 13-player game. As Scum in a 3-player team in a 13-player game, I've done that more than five times in my experience.

As for the third player, to a lesser extent I suspect ICEninja, but I'm very iffy on who the third one is.

[fferyllt]

That included you.

I don't have an opinion about who my nonexistent scumpartner is. I'm looking for an entire scumteam.

[My Milked Eek]

Just to make sure no quicklynch happens;

unvote: fferyllt

(sorry mod).

I repeat my V/LA announcement which is starts in 12-16 hours until 72 hours after that. When I'm back I'll revote fferyllt, just don't want a quicklynch happening while I'm gone.

@fferyllt
I meant, you were included in the "we'll wait for everyone to pitch in".

[havingfitz]

Yourself.

?


And fine fferllt....I can wait.

UNVOTE:

[My Milked Eek]

Shoot yourself tonight.

[havingfitz]

Shoot yourself tonight.

That's an unrealistic request. I'm not targeting myself.

If fferyllt flips scum.....who would you want me to target tonight?

That reminds me...get over the dramatics Garmr...I have not said anything to imply you would be my target tonight. Are you a candidate? Sure....but not a runway IMO.

[TvK]

I am on Wake's side for this one. I don't see a reason not to believe him. If he turns out to be lying, than he'll be shot tonight and I'll never play a game with him again. You can count me as a vote on ffery, but ofcourse I will let you take your time to reevaluate your reads.

[fferyllt]

Shoot yourself tonight.

That's an unrealistic request. I'm not targeting myself.

If fferyllt flips scum.....who would you want me to target tonight?

That reminds me...get over the dramatics Garmr...I have not said anything to imply you would be my target tonight. Are you a candidate? Sure....but not a runway IMO.

If I flip miller, then shoot TvK. Otherwise, you know what to do. I may change my target choice once I've combed through every ISO again

[fferyllt]

I am on Wake's side for this one. I don't see a reason not to believe him. If he turns out to be lying, than he'll be shot tonight and I'll never play a game with him again. You can count me as a vote on ffery, but ofcourse I will let you take your time to reevaluate your reads.

This post assumes he could be town and lying, but totally leaves out the possibility he's scum and lying.

I don't think my readthrough will change this read.

[TvK]

I am on Wake's side for this one. I don't see a reason not to believe him. If he turns out to be lying, than he'll be shot tonight and I'll never play a game with him again. You can count me as a vote on ffery, but ofcourse I will let you take your time to reevaluate your reads.

This post assumes he could be town and lying, but totally leaves out the possibility he's scum and lying.

I don't think my readthrough will change this read.

Yes, I think Wake is either town and telling the truth, or town and lying. No, I cannot see Wake as scum.

[havingfitz]

I cannot see Wake as scum.

If fferyllt flips something other than scum (or miller?) then how could you not see Wake as scum?

If fferyllt is a miller unbeknownst to her...that would just wrong. I want to say I've come across the role (or similar) before but I can't be sure. Even if I did...I would at least have to say it's rare.

On that note...I don't recall ever being in a game with a "scope" either and for two equally rare roles (IMO) to touch each other in this game seems like extremely small odds.

[TvK]

I'm talking about the situation as it is right now. At this very moment I'm not doubting Wake at all. He comes out with the guilty and I believe him.

[havingfitz]

Ah. Ok.

[fferyllt]

I cannot see Wake as scum.

If fferyllt flips something other than scum (or miller?) then how could you not see Wake as scum?

If fferyllt is a miller unbeknownst to her...that would just wrong. I want to say I've come across the role (or similar) before but I can't be sure. Even if I did...I would at least have to say it's rare.

On that note...I don't recall ever being in a game with a "scope" either and for two equally rare roles (IMO) to touch each other in this game seems like extremely small odds.

I reread that post. "Scope" was flavor. The ability he claimed was one-shot cop.

[havingfitz]

I thought he was.likening it to a one shot cop. So not as rare I suppose but the unknowing miller would be.

[fferyllt]

I thought he was.likening it to a one shot cop. So not as rare I suppose but the unknowing miller would be.

And decidedly not normal as MS defines normal. I've been an un-self-aware miller once, and it was offsite a couple years ago in a mafia community that had no "normal game" distinctions. The role sucked. I raged at the cop who guiltied me for a while and self-voted. In that game IIRC there were three cops of various sanities as well as a godfather and a miller.

If I do flip miller, then there cannot be another non-normal role in the game.

[Squirrel Girl]

@Fitz - why no comment about the Vengeful claim?

I sorta find it a little unusual to believe that there is a Vengeful+Vig in the setup. I find it even harder if the setup is 1-shot Cop/2 Mason/Vengeful/Odd Night Vig/Protective Role (?) vs. Scum...what? Especially scum 'what?' wherein they decided not to worry about the Vig so, presumably scum with a roleblocker. It really doesn't add up, and I checked the math twice. I also don't know why no one is discussing that.

[Squirrel Girl]

I mean, basically town has a protective role *or* scum shot Herself Night 1 and Fitz should be ashamed *or* Fitz is scum *and* Garmr and Fitz seem unlikely to be the same alignment.

Am I missing anything?

[fferyllt]

@Fitz - why no comment about the Vengeful claim?

I sorta find it a little unusual to believe that there is a Vengeful+Vig in the setup. I find it even harder if the setup is 1-shot Cop/2 Mason/Vengeful/Odd Night Vig/Protective Role (?) vs. Scum...what? Especially scum 'what?' wherein they decided not to worry about the Vig so, presumably scum with a roleblocker. It really doesn't add up, and I checked the math twice. I also don't know why no one is discussing that.

I missed the vengeful claim. was way to late at night at the point where Eek and garmr were going back and forth and I had other shit on my mind.

I agree that's pretty crazy.

If garmr actually is vengeful, I don't trust him to make a good target choice, either. :/

Not if he's still locked on to Eek.

Eek's overall reaction to this mess has been the towniest of the bunch, despite my calling him an idiot last night.

[Squirrel Girl]

I feel like everyone missed the Vengeful claim, which bugs me. But especially Fitz, because my literal first reaction to it wa s'how does that work with Fitz's claim' and then he didn't even so much as sneeze in Garmr's direction, and while we're at it I don't particularly recall much from Garmr towards Fitz. I feel like the two claims are unlikely to both be true, and if I'm right that makes the lack of reactions bad, and if I'm wrong I'd like to understand why so I can have lack of reaction to it as well.

[Squirrel Girl]

I will agree an Eek shot would be bad. Not as bad as the Herself shot, but, yeah, a bad shot.

[fferyllt]

I feel like everyone missed the Vengeful claim, which bugs me. But especially Fitz, because my literal first reaction to it wa s'how does that work with Fitz's claim' and then he didn't even so much as sneeze in Garmr's direction, and while we're at it I don't particularly recall much from Garmr towards Fitz. I feel like the two claims are unlikely to both be true, and if I'm right that makes the lack of reactions bad, and if I'm wrong I'd like to understand why so I can have lack of reaction to it as well.

1. It wasn't a direct "I'm vengeful" type claim. Even when I went looking for the claim and found garmr's post, I was like...this is it? I read a few posts before and after, and thought "yeah that's a claim".

2. There's this huge pyrotechnic explosion happening in the thread that is probably overshadowing a lot of stuff that shouldn't go unnoticed.

[Squirrel Girl]

1. If people actually read the post it was pretty darn clear. If people aren't reading posts then I'm pretty darn sad.

2. I consider his claim no less amazing or big for figuring out the game then the investigation thing. Both are huge events.

[fferyllt]

I agree, it is. And it's a hell of a lot more real.

So, scum must have a roleblocker or they wouldn't let fitz make it to night 3. Or...fitz isn't vig. And they need some serious horsepower to offset 2 masons, a 1 shot cop, an odd night vig, a vengeful and apparently a protective role since night 1 was only 1 kill (though they could have both targeted Herself if fitz is really a second killer).

There are a lot of permutations in that.

Who do you feel is more likely to be telling the truth? fitz or garmr?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

bump for vc