Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Deacon Blues]

Also, could anyone explain to me why Kaze's claim pushes him up into the town-ranks? I have a hard time seeing a role that when claimed in thread with give two confirmed town in a 13 player game. Seems a little too OP to me.

1) It seems obvious to me that he had the idea to do it from the get-go (has been hard defending orci all game)
2) Locks him into a certain claim super early, which could prove problematic with flips if he were scum
3) Doesn't seem to have a whole lot of utility to the scumteam even with that
4) The nature in which he claimed seems pro-town: he wasn't doing it to save himself.
5) It's not like masons don't exist in 13p, and this is weaker than that.

[Deacon Blues]

Also hi bork

I treat fery as the only member of your hydra because that's how I read hydras, I choose the player I'm most comfortable with and try to read them

You were also wrong about your read on me and I had no meta with you so I didn't really find talking to you a priority

Do you have something you feel went unnoticed?

Nah at this point cause of the gamestate I don't need anything else from you, just hoping I get a little more one on one time with some of the others I've played with before.

[Deacon Blues]

Or you mean in general - if anything I want to know more about why people have Nacho as town, but I think ffery and I both want that.

[ProHawk]

Also, could anyone explain to me why Kaze's claim pushes him up into the town-ranks? I have a hard time seeing a role that when claimed in thread with give two confirmed town in a 13 player game. Seems a little too OP to me.

1) It seems obvious to me that he had the idea to do it from the get-go (has been hard defending orci all game)
2) Locks him into a certain claim super early, which could prove problematic with flips if he were scum
3) Doesn't seem to have a whole lot of utility to the scumteam even with that
4) The nature in which he claimed seems pro-town: he wasn't doing it to save himself.
5) It's not like masons don't exist in 13p, and this is weaker than that.

Not the way I see it.

1) Yes, this shows he thought long and hard about his role and what to do with it. - Null
2) I don't see why this would prove problematic, especially with the downside of an Orc-lynch.
3) Actually they get to see a role of someone town, which has its pros even if its a role not worth night-killing. Aside from that Mafia-Goons aren't that util anyway.
4) If Orc gets lynched and it mod-confirms him as scum, it was to save himself in a way that would lend him town-cred.
5) How is this weaker than masons? Although point taken on the OP of masons in a 13p... I will think about this for a bit.

[Tammy]

I got busy elsewhere and am now out of mental energy for mafia. So, tomorrow.

[Tammy]

Although I will say, Mara calling me town off one post is kinda weird. She did put a question mark next to it, and I haven't yet called myself town in my first post as scum before, and maybe I did sound relaxed? Idk, but I have fooled her twice and last game she was wondering why I wasn't obvtown by like page 7 or something.

I can never be satisfied though, I'm surprised when people don't realize I'm town then nervous when people do.

All right sleep.

[Deacon Blues]

@pro - your 4) is making me look at things a little differently. I hadn't considered that and it kinda makes your other points make more sense looking from your POV.

@orci - is it possible, based on what you know about your role PM, that kaze is possibly scum that is confirmed as scum when you die? A simple Y/N is fine.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@orci - is it possible, based on what you know about your role PM, that kaze is possibly scum that is confirmed as scum when you die? A simple Y/N is fine.

highly improbable

[Ms Marangal]

AHHHHHHH

[Ms Marangal]

Kaze, why?

[Ms Marangal]

I'm at work (well after hours till rehearsal) - my father in law is in town this whole week; my fmla starts next week.

"Why is nachoscum" => Answered in the post
"why am I so low on that null-list" => Your posts have been almost entirely either 1) unrelated to the gamestate [because they are either meta generalities or fluff] or 2) unexplained reads, which I would like you to explain
"why is Ruffling and Pitoli so high?" => Pitoli is probably gut but I think she mostly ended up there because I moved others around. I don't actually have that much on her. Rufflig I actually like what he's doing from the standpoint of applying pressure to people, once I figured out that's what he was doing.

Still, these are all in a single tier and are not terribly far apart.

I know I'm more than a little detached, but I don't think it's that bad

but, my reads aren't going to be explained until I get a better grasp on them myself

[Nachomamma8]

Orc I read you correctly fuck you

[Nachomamma8]

[pitoli]

I haven't read past 357 so my comments might seem dumb, but I'm going to go through stuff after these questions.

Why didn't you RVS vote?

For this game I thought I'd try not participating in RVS voting. I always feel particularly ineffectual during RVS and feel pressured to vote when I don't want to. Anyways, we got out of RVS just fine without my vote, so w/e.

How do you feel about fuzzy now that he's played a bit more this game?

I sorted him town early but now he's swayed more null. I do feel like he's quieted a lot and (if scum) is content to let the more experienced players talk over him so he can fade into the woodwork.

What was with the "I wanted him to be scum"(referring to me) comment in 115?

You've never convinced yourself you were seeing something that simply wasn't there/didn't happen because you wanted to catch scum early? That's what I think happened when I misinterpreted some early comments of yours.

Do you have any actual reads?

Yes, mostly townreads at the moment. Deacon Blues, Prohawk, Mac, and now you are up there. I'll get back to you when I've read more of the thread.

Why aren't you scumhunting?

I'm very broken up inside that you don't think this looks like scumhunting.

[Ms Marangal]

Prohawk, would you mind dropping this for the time being?

The WIFOM that'll likely come out of it isn't the best thing, especially D1. If need be, we can bring this up D3 which should be, at worst case scenario, the day before lylo.

it isn't going to get us anywhere for the time being.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Pitoli
I guess I have gotten a bit quieter....I tend to let louder people talk over me( especially in RL).. I will try to be more vocal

@ ProHawk
I am a bit concern that your opposition to the Kaze/ Orcinus claim is a soft push to get them lynched and most likely mislynched. What makes you think that scum would take such a big gambit.

[Deacon Blues]

I haven't read past 357 so my comments might seem dumb, but I'm going to go through stuff after these questions.

Why didn't you RVS vote?

For this game I thought I'd try not participating in RVS voting. I always feel particularly ineffectual during RVS and feel pressured to vote when I don't want to. Anyways, we got out of RVS just fine without my vote, so w/e.

How do you feel about fuzzy now that he's played a bit more this game?

I sorted him town early but now he's swayed more null. I do feel like he's quieted a lot and (if scum) is content to let the more experienced players talk over him so he can fade into the woodwork.

What was with the "I wanted him to be scum"(referring to me) comment in 115?

You've never convinced yourself you were seeing something that simply wasn't there/didn't happen because you wanted to catch scum early? That's what I think happened when I misinterpreted some early comments of yours.

Do you have any actual reads?

Yes, mostly townreads at the moment. Deacon Blues, Prohawk, Mac, and now you are up there. I'll get back to you when I've read more of the thread.

Why aren't you scumhunting?

I'm very broken up inside that you don't think this looks like scumhunting.

Who do you think are scum? You say "mostly" townreads and you mention one null read.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc I read you correctly fuck you

if you scumread me then townread me the odds are in your favor for reading me correctly

on the kaze issue, the one thing I found very strange was that he would be mod-confirmed town if I were to die by lynch. I am highly unlikely to be lynched.

[ProHawk]

@ ProHawk
I am a bit concern that your opposition to the Kaze/ Orcinus claim is a soft push to get them lynched and most likely mislynched. What makes you think that scum would take such a big gambit.

What do you define as a soft-push? I already explained the risk vs reward of taking such a gambit. You are wrong that I am trying to get both lynched. What exactly do you think will happen when one of them gets lynched? It invariably confirms or invalidates the claims which would shed light on the other.

@Mara, yes I will do some more digging elsewhere.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze does my action give you IC

Huh? What action?

Kaze, why?

For God and Country.

on the kaze issue, the one thing I found very strange was that he would be mod-confirmed town if I were to die by lynch. I am highly unlikely to be lynched.

It is what it is.

Yes, mostly townreads at the moment. Deacon Blues, Prohawk, Mac, and now you are up there. I'll get back to you when I've read more of the thread.

Please do.

I'm very broken up inside that you don't think this looks like scumhunting.

Sorry, but you haven't really taken many stances or asked many proactive questions this game. At all. Your work:post ratio is bad.

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Damn. I'm not sure who to push atm

[Kazekirimaru]

3) Actually they get to see a role of someone town, which has its pros even if its a role not worth night-killing. Aside from that Mafia-Goons aren't that util anyway.

I just noticed this.

I don't know Orc's actual abilities, just his rolename and alignment. So, no.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Prohawk

Actually i said a semi soft push- I define this as a small push intented to garner a wagon on someone. Mostly to garner a wagon without getting any notice of doing so. Let me ask you this . Even with the points you made..do you think that scum would take such a big gambit. If so why? Also why should we risk lynching one to confirm the other when they could be easily confirmed by the cop/ tracker with less risk. So I guess I am what is the overall advantage of lynching one of them.

@ SSK
What are your reads..also why should we not believe that you are not lurking especially that you are not lurking scum. Why should you get a town read not only from me but the town as well.

[MafiaSSK]

@ Prohawk

Actually i said a semi soft push- I define this as a small push intented to garner a wagon on someone. Mostly to garner a wagon without getting any notice of doing so. Let me ask you this . Even with the points you made..do you think that scum would take such a big gambit. If so why? Also why should we risk lynching one to confirm the other when they could be easily confirmed by the cop/ tracker with less risk. So I guess I am what is the overall advantage of lynching one of them.

@ SSK
What are your reads..also why should we not believe that you are not lurking especially that you are not lurking scum. Why should you get a town read not only from me but the town as well.

Yeah, I really shouldn't. But I've way overcomitted myself and this is the least interesting of all of my games.

reads list soon.

[Mac]

Vote: pitoli

i want to see where this goes. i don't see alot of scumhunting happening, and i feel like alot of her comments are quite surface level and failing to probe any further. i'm really worried by the lack of scumreads she listed when asked, in fact.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Hmm

Your seem right. She doesnt seem to be scum hunting and her answers seems to be surface level.

what bothering me alot more is SSK lurking..... I cant figure if she is scum lurking or not . She also seems to be dodgy when she appears

I think I could vote either one of them. I think I need more time to thin it over