Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Nero Cain]

I rather lynch Bald over Espy.

vote:Bald

[Nero Cain]

top 3 town are Prohawk, Empcho, and UD/Espy.

[Harakiri]

grrrrrr

Unvote

. We have four hours.

[Nero Cain]

you so bad Nati.

[zMuffinMan]

Unless I'm misinterpreting something

i think prohawk was suggesting it's inconsistent for voided to vote baldy after including espeonage and not baldy in his previous want-to-lynch lists.

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.26

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

1baldeagle1 (5): Garuda, Ghostly Penguin, Espeonage, VoidedMafia, Nero Cain
Espeonage (5): Lost Butterfly, ProHawk, BBmolla, pieguyn, uʍop ǝpısdn
Harakiri (1): Lord Mhork
BBmolla (1): 1baldeagle1

Not Voting (2): zMuffinMan, Harakiri

Deadline for Day 5 is Friday, December 6th, at 4:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-12-06 16:00:00)

Quilford is posting in place of uʍop ǝpısdn until access issues for the hydra get resolved.

[Nero Cain]

because there's a chance Nero might have claimed scum in order to communicate with the other team if he thought he was busted. Now, tomorrow's decision is much more stressful than it needs to be. I still believe that the govern is a very, VERY strong hint that Nero is scum, though, particularly given the scumteam who used it would have no way at all of predicting where the lynch would go otherwise. And they're wasting the chance to protect one of their own instead.

What the absolute fuck is this? You are acting like scum are stupid and they can't read what's going on. Lynchs aren't "random" If none of their people were heavily suspected then why not? It would give them the two mislynches needed to win.

[zMuffinMan]

if none of their people were heavily suspected then they'd have no need to govern a town-you, durr

[Nero Cain]

but govering me has more or less secured my lynch tomorrow, an atleast Nacho, (baring a Eagle scum flip) knowing it'll be LYLO, wants a QL on me which basically gives scum a free path to victory 'cause if I get qled then we won't be talking about scum at all. Where if I was mislynched today then there is a chance that folks might rethink their reads for the next day.

If you tools can't see the scum motivation in that then you should head back to newbie games.

[Lord Mhork]

Bald is town, guys.

VOTE: Espeonage

[Voidedmafia]

but govering me has more or less secured my lynch tomorrow, an atleast Nacho, (baring a Eagle scum flip) knowing it'll be LYLO, wants a QL on me which basically gives scum a free path to victory 'cause if I get qled then we won't be talking about scum at all. Where if I was mislynched today then there is a chance that folks might rethink their reads for the next day.

If you tools can't see the scum motivation in that then you should head back to newbie games.

There is little town motivation to advertising and bidding on Gov. (I can see why town would want to, but the scum usage for it outweighs the town benefits)
There is no town motivation for not outing that you have won Gov, either from N0/N1 (whenever it was first up for auction).
There is no town motivation in governing Nero right as he's about to be lynched AND not admitting they did it. Doubly so if you A.) happen to be town, and B.) said person ctually has a townread on Nero and thought that you could get away with not saying you did it; if that scenario is actually true and both Bald or Esp and then Nero flip town and we lose, then fuck you, whoever you are.

The correct town move would've first to have said that you won Gov. The next correct move would've been to first threaten to use it (I'd think they're stupid for doing that, but it's a lot townier than using it covertly). And if the usage was just a panic move, then the person who used it should've outed the very INSTANT they could post. Nothing about Gov's usage gives me townvibes, and it sure as hell doesn't give me any sense that you might be town. I will not completely dismiss the theory that scum did it to secure two mislynches because it's just plausible enough to have a chance at being true, but I find it highly unlikely and a very ridiculous gambit that only has any payoff if town doesn't lynch scum today and if you, Nero, are town in the first place. Otherwise for them it's just a 1-1 trade, or worse, 0-2 and they lost a chance to save a buddy later on at, say, 7p LyLo.

Bald is town, guys.

VOTE: Espeonage

Have you even said why?

[Voidedmafia]

Not Voting (2): zMuffinMan, Harakiri

These people need to choose between Esp or Bald, and quickly.

[Lord Mhork]

He's been hemorrhaging town since the beginning of the game. I'm fairly confident in this.

[Voidedmafia]

grrrrrr

Unvote

. We have four hours.

Why'd you unvote?

P-EDIT: There have been many claims that he's "hemorrhaging town" (or similar) for awhile, but I've never seen it.

[Harakiri]

VOTE: Baldeagle

Muffin I wanna cash in all my townpoints for this lynch, please. You too, LB.

And it's obv that eagle-mhurk is one of the scumteams.

[Lord Mhork]

Fuck off Harakiri

[Voidedmafia]

Unless I'm misinterpreting something, ProHawk is asserting that Voided is trying to start a counterwagon to Eagle with those posts, but Prohawk himself is voting for Espeon. Or did I get that mixed up..?

He's pointing out reasons why I should be voted tomorrow, I think. It'd be suicidal to try and start a wagon on me with only 3 hours or so left at the time he posted.

Though, it reeks of to me of someone trying to mudsling onto me in hopes of not getting Nero lynched tomorrow.

P-EDIT: Cash in townpoints?

[Voidedmafia]

Votes are 6-6 even. If muffin votes Bald (I don't see why Bald would self vote/hammer), then it'd be 7-7 and someone'll have to switch to avoid NL.

[Harakiri]

Fuck off Harakiri

Suck scintillating arguments.

P-EDIT: Cash in townpoints?

Just an expression.

[Nero Cain]

There is little town motivation to advertising and bidding on Gov. (I can see why town would want to, but the scum usage for it outweighs the town benefits)
There is no town motivation for not outing that you have won Gov, either from N0/N1 (whenever it was first up for auction).
There is no town motivation in governing Nero right as he's about to be lynched AND not admitting they did it. Doubly so if you A.) happen to be town, and B.) said person ctually has a townread on Nero and thought that you could get away with not saying you did it; if that scenario is actually true and both Bald or Esp and then Nero flip town and we lose, then fuck you, whoever you are.

The correct town move would've first to have said that you won Gov. The next correct move would've been to first threaten to use it (I'd think they're stupid for doing that, but it's a lot townier than using it covertly). And if the usage was just a panic move, then the person who used it should've outed the very INSTANT they could post. Nothing about Gov's usage gives me townvibes

ok? No one is talking about it being used by town so good job fluffing up your post?

Duplicate post deleted.

[Voidedmafia]

ok? No one is talking about it being used by town so good job fluffing up your post?

So if there's no chance of it being used by town, and if we agree that scum using it to secure two mislynches, while possible, is a big longshot that is IMO more likely to fail than succeed, what's your point in arguing about Garuda? He's being overzealous in the QL dept. (which honestly is worrying me), yes, but if that overzealousness is town zealousness then isn't this being a little counterproductive?

Besides, all we have to do tomorrow is not. QL. Which I don't think we should even do in the first place, no matter how guaranteed Nero's lynch is.

I may not be able to respond before DL.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, I acknowledge the plan by LB.

[Nero Cain]

ok? No one is talking about it being used by town so good job fluffing up your post?

So if there's no chance of it being used by town, and if we agree that scum using it to secure two mislynches, while possible, is a big longshot that is IMO more likely to fail than succeed, what's your point in arguing about Garuda? He's being overzealous in the QL dept. (which honestly is worrying me), yes, but if that overzealousness is town zealousness then isn't this being a little counterproductive?

Besides, all we have to do tomorrow is not. QL. Which I don't think we should even do in the first place, no matter how guaranteed Nero's lynch is.

I may not be able to respond before DL.

Why do you think its more likely to fail than succeed? My point is that scum would want exactly what Empcho wants, a ql. My town flip today would have atleast given information and with that information you guys would have went into LYLO and THOUGHT about who is scum. By goving me, we go into lylo the next day (barring a scum flip today) with a shitload of players biasly thinking that I'm scum AND wanted me dead regardless. Though this is the same thing I got onto Muffin about, scum don't necessarily have to push anything. Even though I have more experience then you clowns, you guys

SHOULD

know that by now. Yeah, there's a chance that Empcho is scum and he does this "you guys said this but this is also a lie." regardless of alignment but its not like my point was really hard to understand at all so you claiming that my point was counterproductive is kinda lol.

[Voidedmafia]

So I do have enough time, Cool.

Why do you think its more likely to fail than succeed?

Taking the simple option of an assured Nero lynch today and going from them (especially with last night's NK and the as-of-yet-unknown N0 NK that hasn't shown up yet being a potentially night-time double-whammy) sounds more likely to get a victory than banking on town getting a mislynch today and then mislynching you tomorrow, honestly.

My point is that scum would want exactly what Empcho wants, a ql. My town flip today would have atleast given information and with that information you guys would have went into LYLO and THOUGHT about who is scum. By goving me, we go into lylo the next day (barring a scum flip today) with a shitload of players biasly thinking that I'm scum AND wanted me dead regardless.

That's part of why I'm against just simply QLing you tomorrow. Even if your lynch is set in stone tomorrow, there's no reason to just go "okay, lynch someone today, QL Nero tomorrow, and...then what?" We'll get nothing about what happened during the night, no chance to discuss the lynch that just happened, no way to adjust

anything

until D

7

. And if you're town and Bald or Esp (Whoever gets lynched) is town as well, and both shots go off tonight, there might not even

BE

a D7 to talk on.

but its not like my point was really hard to understand at all so you claiming that my point was counterproductive is kinda lol.

My point is that getting on Garuda for wanting you QL'd is looking just as counterproductive as Garuda suggesting the QL.

[Voidedmafia]

Even if you're right that the QL clamoring is suspect as all hell.