Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Quilford]

I'm most confident in Mhork and eagle scum.

why?

you've been townreading mhork on occasion so why do you think he's scum with eagle?

[Harakiri]

The logic behind LB being scum was that they were the only one to bid on NK. Hence, Occam's Razor.

[Harakiri]

I stopped townreading Mhork yesterday, sine he started this lazy "eagle's obvtown" and "Harakiri is scum" thing. The main thing he had going for him was the day three medium, which is pretty fakable.

[Lord Mhork]

You really think I'm scum, Hara? Are you that bad at this game or are you just scum?

By the way, I Auction Detectived LB. He did win the Night Kill. Not that it looked like he was lying or anything, but yeah...

PEDIT:
Ok maybe you are just stupid.

[1baldeagle1]

I stopped townreading Mhork yesterday, sine he started this lazy "eagle's obvtown" and "Harakiri is scum" thing. The main thing he had going for him was the day three medium, which is pretty fakable.

I don't understand because Mhork has been calling me town for pretty much all game. Not just yesterday.

@Voided: This Game -- You had a posting restriction, but I can still feel the same tone from there on here. Also, that was a pretty funny post restriction.

uwop and BMolla are both scum. They were both scumreading each other, but they were both on the Esp wagon...

your point being?

Shouldn't it have concerned you in some way that you were voting someone with a scumread? Especially after that 1v1?

P-Edit: So, LB won Nightkill with only $1?

[BBmolla]

Shouldn't it have concerned you in some way that you were voting someone with a scumread? Especially after that 1v1?

This is dumb. Even on scum wagons there are scum dude.

[Quilford]

uwop and BMolla are both scum. They were both scumreading each other, but they were both on the Esp wagon...

your point being?

Shouldn't it have concerned you in some way that you were voting someone with a scumread? Especially after that 1v1?

it was coming down to a you or espeonage lynch and espeonage was scummier

Shouldn't it have concerned you in some way that you were voting someone with a scumread? Especially after that 1v1?

This is dumb. Even on scum wagons there are scum dude.

what???

[BBmolla]

He's implying you should feel bad when voting with a scumread. It's completely viable for scum to bus so that's absurd.

[Lost Butterfly]

I have to eat, but I'll write a paraphrase of what went down in the neighbourhood QT for the curious in a bit. For what it's worth, I thought Natirasha's earlier posts in the neighbourhood reacting to the claim were awful, but his recent ones have improved. I'm still not sure what to do with Harakiri. Or with everyone else in the game, pretty much.

At this point, I think Nero has to be scum, because if he isn't, there's basically no one it CAN be. But I still really don't want to quicklynch even with the NK in hand. Frankly, I found it worrisome that Garuda was pushing for it so hard yesterday, when from their PoV, gaining an extra $65 would be useless if we chose wrong, and they were almost my investigation tonight (I thought Muffin was less likely to have bussed Nero, and wasn't as town overall, though).

ProHawk, your thoughts on what just transpired between me and Harakiri? Does this affect your read on either one of us? Since you're so convinced that you've nailed all the scum and we're all just not brilliant enough to see it? Does this fit your scumteam theory?

oh man

i'm so dumb

blaaaaaah

???

...Then it's LyLo, isn't it...?

Nope. We're at twelve alive and assuming five scum. We mislynch, and that's six town, five scum. Since there's no kill tonight, on the following day, we'd be back to six town, five scum.

Basically, we've just won a day. So...fuck yeah. I'm awesome

r than pretty incompetent scum, but still

.

[ProHawk]

I need to go back and re-read stuff, but my gut is telling me you and Harakiri are on opposite teams. You found eachother and are now coordinating with eachother via neighborhood. Your back and forth was a ruse to make it look like scum didn't actually bid for the night-kill. You're lying about winning a day and its still MYLO.

Tell me why that isn't the case.

[ProHawk]

we're all just not brilliant enough to see it?

Its not really you... I mean you have to deny it. The rest has been my fault for not being able to properly outline cases and instead just fight against lynches which hasn't really worked out so well.

[Lost Butterfly]

(I reserve the right to retract my claim to awesomeness sometime within the next forty-eight hours, when I decide that my reads all suck and I'm terrible at this game again.)

By the way, is there anyone who WANTS me to kill tonight, just so it's not in play? I'm against it, because if I choose wrong, I lose the game. Even if we lynch correctly, it still reduces the number of lynches.

Quilford, where's your promised BBmolla case? I can't find it myself, so I need to pester Faraday for the link to the quicktopic to BBmolla's scum game on Westeros, because it pretty much DESTROYS your meta case. He's very, very self-aware as scum...and so plays consciously to conceptions of what "town" behaviour is. Even if he's changing it up because Faraday and I know his meta, he just feels genuine and uncalculated. Also, I think Vote Freezer and Vote Nullifier disappearing when they did are huge points in his favour.

[Lost Butterfly]

I need to go back and re-read stuff, but my gut is telling me you and Harakiri are on opposite teams. You found eachother and are now coordinating with eachother via neighborhood. Your back and forth was a ruse to make it look like scum didn't actually bid for the night-kill. You're lying about winning a day and its still MYLO.

Tell me why that isn't the case.

...

...

...um...

...because...

...that's...a really, really stupid move, and no one would ever go to all this trouble in a million years when everyone in the game was already calling both of us town?

*headdesk*

[Quilford]

Quilford, where's your promised BBmolla case?

???

I can't find it myself, so I need to pester Faraday for the link to the quicktopic to BBmolla's scum game on Westeros, because it pretty much DESTROYS your meta case.

I don't see how a scum QT from a single game 'destroys' anything. 1) It's a scum QT, everyone acts different in scum QTs than in the actual thread. 2) It's a single game. He might have been doing really well.

He's very, very self-aware as scum...and so plays consciously to conceptions of what "town" behaviour is.

This and my reasoning aren't mutually exclusive.

Even if he's changing it up because Faraday and I know his meta, he just feels genuine and uncalculated.

not buying it.

I think he's much more incisive as town.

Also, I think Vote Freezer and Vote Nullifier disappearing when they did are huge points in his favour.

What's this?

[Lost Butterfly]

I mean, yesterday, you'd been hyping a big case on Molla that was coming "on Wednesday." The final product wasn't all that impressive.

It just occurred to me that BBmolla could have said after the fact that he'd advertised everything but whichever two abilities were eliminated. (It would explain why Messenger and Neighbourizer showed up, but Roleblocker didn't.) And BBmolla not realizing how powerful Tailor could be would explain why no one bothered to bid on it N1. But I still think it's just a weird thing to actually CLAIM two nights in a row. And it's a lot of resources for scum, while easily disprovable. Mind you, I haven't actually done the advertising math this time around. Something else to add to my to-do list.

[Lost Butterfly]

BBmolla's scum QT

Notable part:

Mafia is really frustrating to me.

Here I am, spewing BULLSHIT, and everyone is calling me town for it. Because I have reads. Do they make sense? Fuck no. But because they don't know it's me, they think "oh this adorable players has silly reads, how cute, he's town."

Then, try as I might as town, I just always end up looking like shit because I don't care how I look.

I think what I need to do is get my real reads as I always do then make up bullshit reasons so people will follow me onto whoever I think is scum.

Not a bad idea.

[Lost Butterfly]

Another post:

I am rather curious if people realize that putting so much effort into these reads makes me more than likely scum. Had pretty good results at MS doing something similar to this as scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4868462

Hencewhy if SAD knows who I am I'm boned.

I probably should have formatted it differently too

Man I'm pretty dumb

Admittedly, given that Faraday and I were mods in that game, I don't think BBmolla would go for the casewalling approach here.

[Quilford]

Interesting.

[BBmolla]

I thought I'd mentioned this

Also this is scum me
http://mafia.perendination.com/board/in ... entry74820

[Voidedmafia]

The logic behind LB being scum was that they were the only one to bid on NK. Hence, Occam's Razor.

That...does make some sense.

@Voided: This Game -- You had a posting restriction, but I can still feel the same tone from there on here. Also, that was a pretty funny post restriction.

Not for me it wasn't

and they were almost my investigation tonight (I thought Muffin was less likely to have bussed Nero, and wasn't as town overall, though).

I honestly wish Garuda was instead. regardless of how Muffin looks, Garuda's a bit more...higher priority, for lack of a better way to put it.

Though, remind me how Muffin is town if Nero's scum again?

Nope. We're at twelve alive and assuming five scum. We mislynch, and that's six town, five scum. Since there's no kill tonight, on the following day, we'd be back to six town, five scum.

But we're still missing a kill. N0's NK, to be exact. And no one's claimed to have blocked N1.

I need to go back and re-read stuff, but my gut is telling me you and Harakiri are on opposite teams. You found eachother and are now coordinating with eachother via neighborhood. Your back and forth was a ruse to make it look like scum didn't actually bid for the night-kill. You're lying about winning a day and its still MYLO.

Tell me why that isn't the case.

LB-scum, who's already been put as a townread by pretty much everyone else in this game, was too paranoid of losing her towniness that she fakes an argument with Harakiri that spills out from their neighborhood into the thread to try and regain the imaginary lost townpoints?

Pardon me if I find that a little convoluted.

By the way, is there anyone who WANTS me to kill tonight, just so it's not in play? I'm against it, because if I choose wrong, I lose the game. Even if we lynch correctly, it still reduces the number of lynches.

You're not likely to live another day (and yes, I think that you living past this night should be suspect).

[ProHawk]

It wasn't for LB, it was for Harakiri.

[Harakiri]

What? Like, legit, what? I have my detractors, but I was pretty clearly the third townread from yesterday. Why burn that?

[ProHawk]

As if I can burn any credibility?

[zMuffinMan]

talk more about the LB scum read, prohawk. what's it based on? i remember you saying something about it being based on UD's flip but i don't remember much else

[zMuffinMan]

I'm most confident in Mhork and eagle scum

current thoughts on nero?