Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 6.2

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Nero Cain (2): 1baldeagle1, BBmolla
Harakiri (1): ProHawk

Not Voting (9): VoidedMafia, Nero Cain, Lost Butterfly, Garuda, Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri, uʍop ǝpısdn, zMuffinMan, Lord Mhork

Deadline for Day 6 is Sunday, December 22nd, at 5:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-12-22 17:00:00)

Quilford is posting in place of uʍop ǝpısdn until access issues for the hydra get resolved.

[Lost Butterfly]

Voided, if Nero is scum, he has investigation immunity. Given the level of vitriol they've spewed at each other, zMuffinMan and Nero have almost certainly not been cross-bussing throughout the entire game.

Particularly

not in this set-up. After KingdomAces' flip, we know only one team in the game has II. Therefore, an innocent on Muffin is a lot more meaningful than an innocent on someone else. An innocent on Garuda would have been a repeat of what happened with Nero. And at the time, I was thinking my Garuda suspicions were just stupid paranoia, because Nacho and Empire occasionally sound really genuine and protown.

Actually, my crackpot theory right now is that Garuda and Nero are partners. I mean, his earlier play towards Nero was pretty protective--Nero was always vaguely scummy but "looked like his town meta," or "was genuine," or some other reason for not voting him. Contrast that with how he white-knights players like ProHawk or Voidedmafia. Then on the day Nero was governed, he started attacking Nero hardcore and suddenly came out with meta inditing him (although I forget how much momentum was headed Nero's way when Garuda voted him). Garuda going into overdrive AFTER my innocent was weird, though. I'd have expected him to react how Ghostly Penguin did, and use that as an excuse to back off.

A bonus of this theory is that it explains the lack of N1 kill.

I'm writing a paraphrase of the QT, which I'm just going to run past Magua before submitting. I've realized that neighbourhoods really aren't as useful as they're cracked up to be for getting a read on someone. Because there's something about interacting with someone privately and one-on-one that makes you emotionally predisposed to like them, particularly if they're town-reading you and asking for advice. Like with Voided on D1, I almost feel

bad

suspecting Harakiri right now.

[Lost Butterfly]

(The bottom line is that if either Nero or Muffin ever flips scum, the other is confirmed town.)

[Voidedmafia]

It wasn't for LB, it was for Harakiri.

It's still the same basic story for either of them. They don't have any reason to try and keep imaginary townpoints you're saying they're somehow losing (or they think they're somehow losing).

[KoreanBBQ]

You guys, eagle is lying here.

I just did I Control+F over "bald" in your ISO. You seemed like you didn't like my wagon at first, and then you null read me, to a point where I think you are townreading me because I wanted Voided dead like you wanted to and now I'm scum for the bolded reason. This is a really scummy 180 on the read of me.

I find it really really hard to believe that you actually searched my ISO 'cause...

Iffy on Bald.

and then I have a shit ton of nulls.


Sean
LB
molla
Harakiri
KA

baldeagle

Jason

Though outside of my big three I'd go (in no particular order)

Hara

Bald

KA

Eagle seems town, just dumb

The only think that bothers me out Eagle is his avoiding my question.

There might be somemore but I got tired of looking.

Basically, I never did have a town read on him. True, I did put him on the back burner since he was willing to help me lynch voided scum but I've always

Its also true that I didn't like his wagon but that was all the way back on day 1 not yesterday, day 1.

I also really realy dislike the way he's shadowing me....

My town flip today would have atleast given information and with that information you guys would have went into LYLO and THOUGHT about who is scum.

My wagon would have provided lots of information

Muffin, your read on Eagle?

[Nero Cain]

You guys, eagle is lying here.

I just did I Control+F over "bald" in your ISO. You seemed like you didn't like my wagon at first, and then you null read me, to a point where I think you are townreading me because I wanted Voided dead like you wanted to and now I'm scum for the bolded reason. This is a really scummy 180 on the read of me.

I find it really really hard to believe that you actually searched my ISO 'cause...

Iffy on Bald.

and then I have a shit ton of nulls.


Sean
LB
molla
Harakiri
KA

baldeagle

Jason

Though outside of my big three I'd go (in no particular order)

Hara

Bald

KA

Eagle seems town, just dumb

The only think that bothers me out Eagle is his avoiding my question.

There might be somemore but I got tired of looking.

Basically, I never did have a town read on him. True, I did put him on the back burner since he was willing to help me lynch voided scum but I've always

Its also true that I didn't like his wagon but that was all the way back on day 1 not yesterday, day 1.

I also really realy dislike the way he's shadowing me....

My town flip today would have atleast given information and with that information you guys would have went into LYLO and THOUGHT about who is scum.

My wagon would have provided lots of information

Muffin, your read on Eagle?

[Voidedmafia]

Basically, I never did have a town read on him. True, I did put him on the back burner since he was willing to help me lynch voided scum but I've always

always what?

[1baldeagle1]

You guys, eagle is lying here.

I just did I Control+F over "bald" in your ISO. You seemed like you didn't like my wagon at first, and then you null read me, to a point where I think you are townreading me because I wanted Voided dead like you wanted to and now I'm scum for the bolded reason. This is a really scummy 180 on the read of me.

I find it really really hard to believe that you actually searched my ISO 'cause...

Iffy on Bald.

and then I have a shit ton of nulls.


Sean
LB
molla
Harakiri
KA

baldeagle

Jason

Though outside of my big three I'd go (in no particular order)

Hara

Bald

KA

Eagle seems town, just dumb

The only think that bothers me out Eagle is his avoiding my question.

There might be somemore but I got tired of looking.

Basically, I never did have a town read on him. True, I did put him on the back burner since he was willing to help me lynch voided scum but I've always

Its also true that I didn't like his wagon but that was all the way back on day 1 not yesterday, day 1.

I also really realy dislike the way he's shadowing me....

My town flip today would have atleast given information and with that information you guys would have went into LYLO and THOUGHT about who is scum.

My wagon would have provided lots of information

Muffin, your read on Eagle?

Are you an idiot?

I said exactly how it was. But I said I wasn't sure if you were townreading me at all because I wanted Voided dead like you did.

[Garuda]

Even if you're right that the QL clamoring is suspect as all hell.

It seriously seriously depresses me that Nero isn't lynched yet and that Nero still walks and people still wonder why I am so bloodthirsty.

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin, your read on Eagle?

why are you asking me specifically?

i'm kind of iffy on him right now. he keeps drifting between being a scum read and a town read for me. like, some of his posting is just awful and then i read things like 4471 and think it looks genuinely town.

the only reason i'm not voting you right now is because i want to put some effort into reassessing things in this game, and baldy is one of the players i need to focus on. which i may not have time for before the weekend but i'll see what i can get done this afternoon/tomorrow.

[Harakiri]

people still wonder why I am so bloodthirsty.

Do you have any real thoughts Nacho?

[Voidedmafia]

It seriously seriously depresses me that Nero isn't lynched yet and that Nero still walks and people still wonder why I am so bloodthirsty.

To the point where, like, your first post is asking why Nero isn't dead yet?

Yes. I am wondering.

Pray tell what possibly is wrong with taking some time to assess the night and work that out BEFORE lynching him?

[Lord Mhork]

Ok so I'm getting the urge to want to lynch Harakiri and then we make LB shoot Nero. What about that?

[Harakiri]

Well, half of your post is correct.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Can we revisit the idea of mass-claim? At least of used abilities, if not things people still have in their arsenals.

I'm not sure if I want to lynch Nero or eagle ATM.

--PA

[zMuffinMan]

Can we revisit the idea of mass-claim? At least of used abilities, if not things people still have in their arsenals.

i'm not expecting too much from this, but it doesn't hurt so why not?

I'm not sure if I want to lynch Nero or eagle ATM

who do you want to lynch? and is ghostlin still MIA?

[Garuda]

Re: #4425.
Why hasn't anyone commented on Nero voting Eagle like he wanted eagle dead and then totally not reacting when Espeonage was lynched instead?

4) The most terrifying theory: the scum accidentally locked out their counterpart. Part of why I decided to bid on NK was because after I said all that stuff about not wanting to bid on red auctions, I figured I was less likely to be locked out for that than something like bulletproof (and pieguyn would be locked out of NK again). This would implicate someone like Garuda.

I don't understand this theory; major flaw seems to be that both scumteams locking out one another is not only highly improbable, but almost bordering on impossible.

You really think I'm scum, Hara? Are you that bad at this game or are you just scum?

What have you done this game that has been town? The only thing that you have in your favor is the Nero tunnel, but you weren't exactly the main proponent of that.

Garuda going into overdrive AFTER my innocent was weird, though.

I'd have expected him to react how Ghostly Penguin did, and use that as an excuse to back off.

A bonus of this theory is that it explains the lack of N1 kill.

The bolded kind of slaughters your theory quite a bit, don't you think?

people still wonder why I am so bloodthirsty.

Do you have any real thoughts Nacho?

Nero/Mhork/Eagle are the only real thoughts I will probably contribute to the game. And also your neighbor is the only player in the big 6 to apparently accomplish anything with abilities. Do I find that weird, considering this member of the big 6 was one of the most competent and should have been the biggest threat? Yes, I do find that weird.

I would like to direct LB's shot tonight as opposed to having her save it.

[Garuda]

I'm also not particularly interested in a massclaim today.
Maybe tomorrow.

[Quilford]

I would like to direct LB's shot tonight as opposed to having her save it.

yep, j'agree

[Quilford]

i am upset to announce that i think bbmolla is probably town now.

[Quilford]

i'm going to have to reread stuffs D:D:D:

[Lost Butterfly]

I'm fine shooting tonight, particularly since Gravedigger was never claimed.

That said, do you realize there's an obvious problem with publicly announcing my target?

Nero/Mhork/Eagle are the only real thoughts I will probably contribute to the game. And also your neighbor is the only player in the big 6 to apparently accomplish anything with abilities. Do I find that weird, considering this member of the big 6 was one of the most competent and should have been the biggest threat? Yes, I do find that weird.

Well, it could be they were more afraid of pie's money than my remaining cop shot (given I'd obviously just blown most of my cash on two expensive abilities)...but for the record, I find it weird that both my actions went through, too. It implies the team shooting/with roleblocking power had ways around my second cop result.

The lock-out theory is complete tinfoil hat, but it would explain why ONE team didn't bid on NK.

Garuda, thoughts on Harakiri, and on that eagle post Muffin called town?

[Lost Butterfly]

Whoever won Messenger in last night's auction, claim now.

[BBmolla]

i am upset to announce that i think bbmolla is probably town now.

I can understand why that's upsetting.

[Magua]

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