Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Deacon Blues]

I'm here.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Do you want to go over a potential townbloc

[Mac]

I'm sorry mac, I'm still in that period where I don't want to lynch pitoli.

because you think she's town or because there are better targets?

I'm here orc!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ahhhhh

I wish this were skype where I would get notifications

I am more concerned right now with making sure we have a town block and a way forward in this game in case I am the NK tonight (hint hint).

I am confident in my reads on Mac, Deacon, and Tammy. Kaze is conftown to me right now.

The five of us need to sync our reads before the day ends.

[Deacon Blues]

agree with your townblloc composition.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok.

I would like to lynch Rufflig today.

I think a flip on rufflig would tell us for certain the alignment on mara's spot, especially given the nature of that ragequit.

SSK reminds me of those annoying obstinate lurker-townies I am unfortunately familiar with. I feel like scum would be more...mellow?

[Deacon Blues]

SSK is an obstinate lurker when he's town, but he plays the same way as scum from what I've seen. Sorting him won't be easy.

[Mac]

yeah the townbloc looks good. orc are you absolutely sure, his play aside, that kaze can't be scum fakeclaiming?

SSK is bugging the fuck out of me. his lurking in imperishable night was different because it was prod dodges pretty much. here it feels like he's trying to make an effort but still trying to lurk enough to make it work as scum. hopefully that makes sense.

i want pitoli dead. i've made that clear.

do you think rufflig will flip scum or is it purely an information lynch? because i'm not planning on going along with an info lynch solely for mara's slot. I think myko will clear this up on his own hopefully, once he solidfies his reads.

I think our choices have to be between pitoli-SSK-Rufflig. that's my order for lynching, too. i'm not averse to lynching any, but I am averse to an info lynch.

[Deacon Blues]

I'm not a fan of info lynches either.

Mac, what did you think of pitoli's interactions with nacho?

And do you have a town read on nacho?

[Mac]

strong townread on nacho.

the interactions weren't good. she didn't come off great to me from voting for nacho instead of asking. i felt like she was trying to look like doing something but it didn't really work. "omgus can get you places" was terrible reasoning, too.

[Mac]

how's your nacho read looking?

[mykonian]

would say townssk this game.

[Deacon Blues]

It reminded me of this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32520

We were scum, she was town. Nacho threw a vote down on her and she reacted with a countervote.

Here are a couple of posts that she made about the votes:

idk, just, third vote on a wagon? Im always watching if that shit looks like an opportunity to cement momentum on a mislynch

Nacho it just didnt feel like you even gave it that much thought

yknow what's really fun, tryin and failjng to type this on my phone

Don't stop believing, pitoli.

this sounds like you dont necessarily think im scum?

/hopeful

She was run up to L-1 pretty quickly so there were a lot more players than just us to interact with.

Anyway.

Both of them are bothering me for different reasons. Why isn't Nacho the one who's reaching out and trying t round up a town bloc?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah the townbloc looks good. orc are you absolutely sure, his play aside, that kaze can't be scum fakeclaiming?

SSK is bugging the fuck out of me. his lurking in imperishable night was different because it was prod dodges pretty much. here it feels like he's trying to make an effort but still trying to lurk enough to make it work as scum. hopefully that makes sense.

i want pitoli dead. i've made that clear.

do you think rufflig will flip scum or is it purely an information lynch? because i'm not planning on going along with an info lynch solely for mara's slot. I think myko will clear this up on his own hopefully, once he solidfies his reads.

I think our choices have to be between pitoli-SSK-Rufflig. that's my order for lynching, too. i'm not averse to lynching any, but I am averse to an info lynch.

No. Kaze could be scum fakeclaiming. The thing that is bugging me is the comment about me lynching giving him mod-clear. That doesn't make sense.

I've given enough reasons as to why rufflig is scum. The info on mara is a nice add-on.

I'm not a fan of info lynches either.

Mac, what did you think of pitoli's interactions with nacho?

And do you have a town read on nacho?

Are you confident about nacho?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I misused a word here.

Do you have sufficient doubt on nacho that I should be looking at lynching him d1?

[Deacon Blues]

I know from experience that his repertoire of stances and approaches to games as town is voluminous. But, he's in a curious place that I don't remember seeing before. He's not being apathetic and letting others set the agenda. He's not stepping up and leading. But, he's kind occupying the hub of the wheel, and has controlled the tempo of the game with what look like very strategic pushes and direction changes. But, it's not leading anywhere. Unless he really had to do the earlier crap to cement reads on Tammy and ProHawk. And, I don't think it takes a wagon on Tammy for him to sort her. ProHawk, maybe.

[Kazekirimaru]

I could lynch pitoli today.

I'd really rather not lynch Rufflig today.

I'm having trouble reading SSK, myself.

I'm not reading Nacho as town atm.

(My thoughts as of the last couple pages.)

[Kazekirimaru]

No. Kaze could be scum fakeclaiming. The thing that is bugging me is the comment about me lynching giving him mod-clear. That doesn't make sense.

How am I conftown if you have doubts? Come on, that doesn't make sense. What do I have to do to ease your doubts? I mean, hell, I can out your rolename if that's really what you want.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Kaze
would outing jis role name... prove he is town .I am guessing the answer is prob not but I am curious?
who do you want to see with a noose around their neck ( ie lynched)

@ Myko
I am getting a different read on Mafia, Can you tell you tell me why you are getting a town read on Mafia

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
would outing jis role name... prove he is town .I am guessing the answer is prob not but I am curious?

Not answering.

who do you want to see with a noose around their neck ( ie lynched)

I could lynch pitoli today.

[Minami no Hana]

@Mod: The Sakura Hana head of this hydra is V/LA through Monday

[Deacon Blues]

Prod dodge post. Probably a post tomorrow.

You're late.

[pitoli]

Oh good, my townreads blocing without me ):

My vote on Nacho was basically to try to force some interaction with him, since what he was doing didn't look like town and I wanted to get more out of him. Omgus is one of those things that people rarely ignore and I wanted to see what peoples' reactions would be.

The way Nacho is flipping about makes me think he could be scum pretending he has reads to sort out. The momentum comment derided me out.

[pitoli]

That's **weirded** me out

[The Rufflig]

Huh. Not modkilled. Well, that's a plus. Not forced replaced either. Also good.

Are you bouncing this off of him because you think nacho is town and value his reads on another player?

Also where is your paranoia of nacho?

It's slowly dissolved over the past three years. Ask Nacho. I only tossed him a couple easy probing questions last game. And yes, I think Nacho is probably town.

You know what's funny and what makes me feel like I'm even more right? This fake, let me dig up Tammy's partners. You're not inexperienced. You know that making partner analysis before a flip is bunk. You know that reading people off a read that could be completely incorrect is a horrible way of scumhunting, but yet you're doing it because you need a fake means of scumhunting.

You know what's funny? You can blatantly make this crap up and not get called on it by anyone else. Where did I say I was going to do partner analysis? Nowhere. Where have I made a case on someone else based on a relational tell? Nowhere. Yet, you feel the need to justify your case by adding more made up stuff to it. I'd be laughing, if it wasn't actually working.

You do realize the OP says there are only two win conditions right?

*sigh* No, I didn't read the OP that carefully. I only skimmed it to make sure there weren't any new mechanics that I needed to know about.

Cool. What games? What did you learn from them?

Nothing. It just confirmed what I already knew. You have a sense of humor and town you doesn't go off on players early day 1 for making a joke - at least I didn't see any game where you did. Your read on me was manufactured that much is painfully obvious. Pushing a manufactured read as serious = scummy. It's damn frustrating that no one else can see this.