A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

Why was Elle so solid town, Ben?

Mainly the genuine-

ness

(why is ingenuity a word but not genuity) of her initial claim.

Then the...Kill me before Tierce or however she worded it. Totes town.

[Magua]

Was AGar a claimed PR? ie, for your theory to be valid Mafia would need to know who to kill after rushing the day.

If this was a concern, did it not come up D7?

[Benmage]

Yes, AGar had previously claimed night actions.. Obviously, how else do I/everyone know/accept he's a rb..

Naut made D6 a 1v1 between himself and Goat. Alfred hammered before Agar could even post that night to reveal who he blocked N5 (when there was no kill)
-Agar.. dunt dunt dunt... died N6.

I'm rehashing it for the ooba/kkb incident to not be forgotten.

[Shadoweh]

Kindly explain how "refusal to post song lyrics" => "town"
Unrelatedly, assuming your list there is a scumlist, I note you have neither Benmage nor Garruk on it.

Why should I? I don't think Benmage is scum, his attitude and wording are the kind that I love to hate. I also don't think Garruk is scum, obviously or I wouldn't have planned to kill people with him, and he hasn't done anything to change my mind. You win a cookie for noticing. To answer your obvious question, no I don't have an explanation for why he'd be seen at the NK when he shouldn't have an action anymore. I just don't believe it's what happened.

[Alfred Borden]

I'm not going to just ignore hard claimed hard guilties unless the target is a STRONG townread or the claimer is OBVIOUSLY lying.
The only people I'd consider lynching today are Benmage and Garruk.
Of the missing Benmage town things, "I am confirmed town because of selfmeta" has finally shown up.
Scum nokill N5 -> Agar shot N6 due to Garruk being RBed N5 makes sense.
Garrukscum claiming all his actions except his kill makes sense.
Garruk using gold primarily to look town makes sense.
Garruk's ISO being a scum ISO makes sense.
This is a dual-flavor guilty and there isn't anything important left to decide today.

I'd prefer to have the gratuitous pieces removed from the box before I continue working on the puzzle.
But here's where I am now:

Town-by-mod
I'm town.

Town-by-SUPERPROTOWN
Tierce is probably town.
Nacho is probably town.
With a scumlynch today town is doing fine; yes I'd like to have played better but we're not in "ONE OF THE SUPERTOWNS MUST BE SCUM" territory.

Town-by-reading/rolesoundstown
Elleheathen is still probably town.
Her getting replaced nullifies the scum-trailing-off pattern and I like Magua so far.
SD is probably town.
Ooba is probably town.
Shadoweh is probably town.
Titus is probably town
Benmage is probably town

That leaves
Cephrir
MC
TA
Garruk

Is this the answer? Lets start with Garruk.

[Alfred Borden]

*let's

[Garruk Relentless]

Proving you continue to be a useless fuck.

At least put your vote down, marble, so I can flip tonight and mock you all mercilessly.

[Tierce]

I'm here, Magua. Yes, I know you're a vanillizer-while-alive. It's okay, nothing of deep value was lost.

It occurs to me (not the first time) that you might not understand what the "mod" in "modconfirmed" means.

Thanks for making my day.

Still not voting Garruk. So!

Garruk, question the first: why did you not Motivate someone N2?

[Tierce]

Also, Benmage, I don't "know" you're fakeclaiming,

but this is what you do all the fucking time

. Ever heard of Boy Who Cried Wolf? I have absolutely no reason to believe your claim. So!

[Titus]

Day 8, Vc 10

Alfred Borden (1) -

Shadoweh

Garruk Relentless (5) -

Benmage, Titus, Messiah Complex, ooba, SafetyDance

Benmage (2) -

Garruk Relentless, Cephrir

Cephrir (2) -

Tierce, The Alchemist

Not voting (3)

: Alfred Borden, Magua, Nautilius

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 16th of December 20:35 EST
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-12-16 20:35:00)
  
• Titus is V/la

VLA should end today. I just saw this and wondered why isn't Garruk dead?

If he is a hated at L-2, then he should be dead.

Mod did you make a mistake?

If the mod didn't make a mistake, this should prove Garruk is scum.

[Benmage]

@ALfred

why do you call Garruk scum, but don't vote him?

[Magua]

VLA should end today. I just saw this and wondered why isn't Garruk dead?

If he is a hated at L-2, then he should be dead. Mod did you make a mistake?

I've literally only read the OP and the last three pages, and even I know the answer (you're going to get) to this question.

Shadoweh, if you think both Benmage and Garruk are town, how come you don't seem to care about getting Benmage to untunnel Garruk, or Garruk to untunnel Benmage? Both are screaming bloody 1v1 murder at eachother.

Tierce, who's scum?

[Titus]

What answer should I be getting?

[Tierce]

Wish I knew, Magua. Been floundering like a pro and hammered SpyreX just because it was a deadline thing.

[Tierce]

Do me a favor, Magua. ISO the flipped scum and see if there's anything/anyone who pops up.

[Benmage]

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

[Magua]

What answer should I be getting?

Read the three goddamn pages.

@Tierce:

That sounds suspiciously like work. So you don't believe Benmage. That's fine. Do you think Garruk is town? Why is Cephrir scum?

[Tierce]

It is supposed to sound like work. There isn't too much, so please do it.

Yes, I think Garruk is Town, and Cephrir is what's left when I check my itty bitty too many Townreads committee.

Btw, as per flipped Town, there are four non-Town players alive.

[Tierce]

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

Yeah because it doesn't make any setup sense AT ALL to remove certain stuff after a certain point in the game. BBmolla was bulletproof until N4 in ADwD, iirc. So stop spewing piss-poor justifications that have nothing to do with their alignment.

[Tierce]

Kindly explain how "refusal to post song lyrics" => "town"
Unrelatedly, assuming your list there is a scumlist, I note you have neither Benmage nor Garruk on it.

Why should I? I don't think Benmage is scum, his attitude and wording are the kind that I love to hate. I also don't think Garruk is scum, obviously or I wouldn't have planned to kill people with him, and he hasn't done anything to change my mind. You win a cookie for noticing. To answer your obvious question, no I don't have an explanation for why he'd be seen at the NK when he shouldn't have an action anymore. I just don't believe it's what happened.

Come join us, sorcereh.

[Tierce]

I'm not going to just ignore hard claimed hard guilties unless the target is a STRONG townread or the claimer is OBVIOUSLY lying.

It's BENMAGE. What more proof do you need that he's lying? Benmage pulls this shit all the time and your absent hydra partner would be yelling at you about it!

[Benmage]

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

Yeah because it doesn't make any setup sense AT ALL to remove certain stuff after a certain point in the game. BBmolla was bulletproof until N4 in ADwD, iirc. So stop spewing piss-poor justifications that have nothing to do with their alignment.

My point that scum probably lied about their role...



Every Game scum lie about their roles.

Yeeesh all you do is underminde obvious town and flail around with no reads.

WTF ARE YOU BEING SO USELESSS... Yeesh just go back to lurking.

[Benmage]

I'm not going to just ignore hard claimed hard guilties unless the target is a STRONG townread or the claimer is OBVIOUSLY lying.

It's BENMAGE. What more proof do you need that he's lying? Benmage pulls this shit all the time and your absent hydra partner would be yelling at you about it!

When was the last time I fakeclaimed.

[Garruk Relentless]

Garruk, question the first: why did you not Motivate someone N2?

We used the first shot in case we were gonna be the lynch target(and I really suspect we were gonna if Amrun hadn't done as she done). Second night, I decided to play it a bit safer and wait til we had more claims so my second shot, you know, slightly more use.

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

What scum motivation could I have for lying about being Hated? Anyways, after four phases(day/night separate), the first tick was removed. After seven phases(yes, so it actually ended night four w/e) it was fully removed. Seven phases for seven gods and all that jazz.

I'll be back in like an hour. In the meantime, Tierce, do you think Benmage is scum? If both you and Shadoweh don't, I'll consider other options for now(Alfred+Nautillus primarily).

[Benmage]

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

What scum motivation could I have for lying about being Hated? Anyways, after four phases(day/night separate), the first tick was removed. After seven phases(yes, so it actually ended night four w/e) it was fully removed. Seven phases for seven gods and all that jazz.

Scum add various things that look creative just for town to go

oooh ahh shiny object

at.... I'm not swearing this is what happened, but its certainly plausible.... Whether you were hated or not, matters little that you're scum.