NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[fferyllt]

GiF claimed authorship of that list.

[TheIrishPope]

Well alright? Good game I guess. Shortest Large Normal ever. You could even say it was... Abnormal.
Hehe.

[Cabd]

Shortest Large Normal ever.

Nope! BY page length, we're way higher than some.

[TheIrishPope]

Shortest I've played in, I mean

[Cabd]

Well yes. Hard to be longer than 165.

[BROseidon]

Sorry for the shit D1 play and especially the thing with AFB

It's okay. I was snappy about some other stuff and over reacted. You need to learn when someone's accepted an apology and move on

[likeabauss]

Suggesting I, or Rank, cheated is an insult I won't tolerate. I have too much fun playing and respect for the game to tarnish it, lest of all just to say "I won" or "I was right."

Calling the Rank sub out a "Trust Tell" doesn't seem appropriate either. Its not something he's ever done before, and it was a departure enough from normal that I couldn't help but notice. I don't know what to call it, if you want to slap a name on it. I myself admitted it was crap, but I couldn't ignore it. Suggesting Rank and I not play together as a result is also BS. That's like suggesting some of you don't play with TIP, since you read him so well so frequently. Lastly, FWIW, I've been wrong about Rank several times despite being certain, in my own mind, that I was right. That's how mafia goes. Sometimes you're right, and sometimes you're dead wrong.

I'm not the only player here that recognized scum players early on D1, but I'm the only one being called a cheater. Was it helpful to me to leverage off of the Rank/Orci slot read? Of course. But if you come out on D1, play brazenly, openly defend and bloc together, you're gambling... and that's an aggressive bet. I'm pretty good at mafia, and if you bring less than your "A" game, there's a chance I'm going to sniff you out. Don't accuse me of cheating just because you played like shit. FU. Seriously. I picked up FratBros before Rank subbed, and the stuff I fired at Cabd was dead nuts on.

And to be honest, by the end of D1 I had Cephrir down as a likely cop and MVP down as SK/Vig. (That's part of the reason I didn't want to heat up Cephrir but put him on my suspect list.) I also got farther away from confident on FratBros the more confident I was on MCMaracascum. I didn't really believe that you'd both as scum, vote as you were, discredit me, and defend Orcinus. My tentative plan was to head into D2 and push on MCMaraca pending night info and flips.

[Natirasha]

Calling the Rank sub out a "Trust Tell" doesn't seem appropriate either. Its not something he's ever done before, and it was a departure enough from normal that I couldn't help but notice. I don't know what to call it, if you want to slap a name on it. I myself admitted it was crap, but I couldn't ignore it. Suggesting Rank and I not play together as a result is also BS.

As an observer, I agree with this and think it's kinda bullshit that people are calling bauss/rank cheaters. Given the playerlist, it'd be similar to say, SSK or I replacing out of a game we joined together. Yes, it's sketch as all get out, but what can you really do?

Regarding the game itself, it was mostly lost by the scumteam coming into the game overconfident and doing the most boneheaded stuff at every point. Sangres played okay, I guess.

[RadiantCowbells]

There was some really good town play in this game. I was super impressed with Yessirree, Ceph, Guyett, TiP and Toomai. Hermy also. Jacob lurked hardcore, and we thought we'd eventually be able to mislynch him, but probably not with the JOAT.

RC I was recently fake-guiltied by another player who wouldn't retract the gambit because he couldn't read my reaction as town. I was lynched. You happened to be right, but I have no respect for the way you handled the gambit. Recent experience makes me extremely skeptical of people who fake-claim guilties and don't treat it as a data acquisition exercise. Trying to strong-arm your read that way is risky as fuck. It lost town the game on day 4 when it happened to me. I don't think town was in a position to win that game, but it didn't have to be such a curbstomp.

It was a data acquisition exercise.

Their reactions were mutually awful so I knew they were scum after it.

[fferyllt]

There was some really good town play in this game. I was super impressed with Yessirree, Ceph, Guyett, TiP and Toomai. Hermy also. Jacob lurked hardcore, and we thought we'd eventually be able to mislynch him, but probably not with the JOAT.

RC I was recently fake-guiltied by another player who wouldn't retract the gambit because he couldn't read my reaction as town. I was lynched. You happened to be right, but I have no respect for the way you handled the gambit. Recent experience makes me extremely skeptical of people who fake-claim guilties and don't treat it as a data acquisition exercise. Trying to strong-arm your read that way is risky as fuck. It lost town the game on day 4 when it happened to me. I don't think town was in a position to win that game, but it didn't have to be such a curbstomp.

It was a data acquisition exercise.

Their reactions were mutually awful so I knew they were scum after it.

My blinders from the previous game are firmly in place. :/

Thing is, the way AFB reacted in this game was precisely what the other player was looking for from me in the other game, and precisely not how I react as town to something I know has to be a gambit. I have no confidence at all that you would have seen how I actually did react to be a town reaction.

[fferyllt]

And to expand on that, IMO you should have copped to the gambit and then explained why their reactions were scum reactions and let town as a whole be the judge, not continued to push it through as a lie. In the game I'm talking about, even after hammer the other player was convinced I was scum. It was one of the most myopic displays I've ever seen in a game. If he'd admitted the gambit I think town would have set him straight about his misread.

[JacobSavage]

Really Sorry I'm going to have to /repalace out.

This is due to someone saying something about this in another thread.

[fferyllt]

Really Sorry I'm going to have to /repalace out.

This is due to someone saying something about this in another thread.

Probably because the game is over! Congrats!

[RadiantCowbells]

If I had admitted it I'd have been lynched and then AFB and MC wouldn't have been at that point, or perhaps ever.

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

[Sakura Hana]

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

Heh, reminds me of that one newbie game where i fakecrumbed a cop inno on my strongest townread, he still got lynched in the end tho...

[fferyllt]

If I had admitted it I'd have been lynched and then AFB and MC wouldn't have been at that point, or perhaps ever.

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

This is an attitude that I won't tolerate when town. Not after what happened to me in the Space mini. It will net a policy lynch if I have reason to think you're fake-claiming on someone.

I hope you take that under consideration in the games that we play together, if not in games as a whole.

[PeregrineV]

Yay go town!

[Cephrir]

If I had admitted it I'd have been lynched and then AFB and MC wouldn't have been at that point, or perhaps ever.

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

If you admitted it almost immediately, you wouldnt be lynched over it. Then it's just a reaction test.

[JacobSavage]

Wait fuck what happened

[fferyllt]

It doesn't even have to be immediately. It needs to run long enough to get reactions from most or all players, not just the target. But, it does need to be retracted and the hammer should not fall on a fake-claimed guilty. If the player you target inexplicably flips town, then you've made yourself vigbait or the next lynch.

That's exactly what happened to the player who fake-claimed the guilty on me.

[JacobSavage]

SKs are hosed enough as it is. You ever heard of a compulsive mafia (outside of opens, shut up)? I didn't think so.

This was clusterfuck.

I only game in here after myko posted something in the reviews thread that caught my eye.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I had admitted it I'd have been lynched and then AFB and MC wouldn't have been at that point, or perhaps ever.

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

If you admitted it almost immediately, you wouldnt be lynched over it. Then it's just a reaction test.

Then he doesn't get lynched.

[fferyllt]

If I had admitted it I'd have been lynched and then AFB and MC wouldn't have been at that point, or perhaps ever.

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

If you admitted it almost immediately, you wouldnt be lynched over it. Then it's just a reaction test.

Then he doesn't get lynched.

I think you seriously underestimated this town. Like, insultingly so. But, the town would actually be a better judge of that than I would.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Just by the way

Just because a trust tell doesn't work 100% of the time doesn't mean it's not a trust tell anymore
-Quadz

I'm still bitter about varsoon getting banned and then bauss won't be banned for this gigantic waste of my time.

[Natirasha]

I'm still not sure why bauss would even be the one get punished here? If you wanna place blame, Rank was the one who initiated the "trust tell".