Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Tammy]

SSK - Do you disbelieve Kaze role information that confirms Orc as town?

[Deacon Blues]

@SSK are you discounting Kaze's claim about orcinus?

[MafiaSSK]

SSK - Do you disbelieve Kaze role information that confirms Orc as town?

It's D1. I don't think anything can be confirmed yet. But it is believable.

[Tammy]

SSK - Do you disbelieve Kaze role information that confirms Orc as town?

It's D1. I don't think anything can be confirmed yet. But it is believable.

If it's believable and you have Kaze as null-town, why do you have Orc in your scum reads?

It doesn't really have anything to do with it being day one, but Kaze says his role tells him who Orc is and that Orc is town.

[Deacon Blues]

Tammy, I would kinda like some thoughts on that exchange. I got a town-anger feel from her posts. But, the dearth of contribution since then by either head bugs me. It's midterms week for GiF and sakura's on v/la, so that could be explanation enough maybe.

[Tammy]

(Give me a minute, I was reading it. That and I'm doing several things at once.)

Hrm. I missed the v/la notice. I really only joined the wagon based on lack of activity and was hoping that it would make them come back here.

I also just realized that something that bugged me earlier was null. Originally when I read the game, it looked like within 4 minutes of you pointing out there was a role reveal, she was able to find who the role reveal was and fix it, which made me think that her original reads weren't as spontaneous as she was giving them. But in looking back, there was a post before you mention the role reveal where you point out that those reads didn't make sense and she needed to read the game. So. I don't know why, but the "random iso" rubbed me the wrong way a little.

My experience with Sakura is pretty limited. She had a pretty strong town game in the game in which I was scum. She came under suspicion and probably dealt with it about as she was here, although I and the rest of my scum team were white knighting her pretty hard. (I'd have probably white knighted her as town in that game as she looked really really town.) Since then what I've seen is more anger and meltdown when she's town, but I know that she's working on that. So, I guess in short I don't have enough experience with her to be able to read real anger coming from her. The frustration that you were being demanding felt really real, but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative as she could be frustrated either way UNLESS she's the type as scum to pander to people.

[Kazekirimaru]

pitoli
Nachomamma8
orcinus_theoriginal - town
Mykonian
Tammy - probably town
Deacon Blues
MafiaSSK (1 prod)
Minami no Hana
The Rufflig - feels like mislynch bait
ProHawk
TheFuzzylogic99 - probably noob town
Mac
Kazekirimaru - derp

The rest I feel like I could lynch. That's like 2/3 the playerlist.

I have to be doing something wrong.

Any chance you could explain further your reads?

Orc is town because my role PM says so.
Tammy is town because of the exchange between her and Rufflig.
Rufflig just seems too easy. More of a gut thing.
fuzzy is town because of how he reacted to me calling his reads bad.

Mind explaining your reads a bit? Mainly how orc and I can possibly be different tiers?

[Kazekirimaru]

Orc is town and I'll whiteknight him to the ends of the Earth. Anyone calling him scum at this point is just derping.

[Deacon Blues]

(Give me a minute, I was reading it. That and I'm doing several things at once.)

Hrm. I missed the v/la notice. I really only joined the wagon based on lack of activity and was hoping that it would make them come back here.

I also just realized that something that bugged me earlier was null. Originally when I read the game, it looked like within 4 minutes of you pointing out there was a role reveal, she was able to find who the role reveal was and fix it, which made me think that her original reads weren't as spontaneous as she was giving them. But in looking back, there was a post before you mention the role reveal where you point out that those reads didn't make sense and she needed to read the game. So. I don't know why, but the "random iso" rubbed me the wrong way a little.

My experience with Sakura is pretty limited. She had a pretty strong town game in the game in which I was scum. She came under suspicion and probably dealt with it about as she was here, although I and the rest of my scum team were white knighting her pretty hard. (I'd have probably white knighted her as town in that game as she looked really really town.) Since then what I've seen is more anger and meltdown when she's town, but I know that she's working on that. So, I guess in short I don't have enough experience with her to be able to read real anger coming from her. The frustration that you were being demanding felt really real, but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative as she could be frustrated either way UNLESS she's the type as scum to pander to people.

It takes me a while to sort her these days, but her reactions to being suspected/voted are a big part of it. I think she intentionally OMGUSes sometimes when she's voted regardless of alignment. When she's town, it's often part of a reaction test.

She thinks she's a better player as scum than as town. Her town game has been heavily influenced by Nacho but she's begun to take what she's learned from him and apply it in her own way/style. She also runs a lot of low-profile gambits as town.

That's my thumbnail.

[Yulia Jue]

Vote Count 1.07

LUKE: That four-eyed fool Jade really got on my nerves.

TEAR: I thought he was quite proper for a military officer addressing
civilians.

LUKE: Mmm... Well, all I know about the military is our White Knights, so I
wouldn't really know.

TEAR: Colonel Jade, though... I know I've heard that name somewhere.

LUKE: Yeah? I couldn't care less about military types, so if you want to find
out about him, do it yourself.

TEAR: You really are selfish. Do something about that attitude before it gets
you in trouble.

LUKE: Lay off already, would you? Now you're getting on my nerves, too.

TEAR: ......

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Minami no Hana (4): Nachomamma8, orcinus_theoriginal, Tammy, MafiaSSK (L-3)

Nachomamma8 (2): pitoli, ProHawk (L-5)
The Rufflig (2): Minami no Hana, Deacon Blues (L-5)
pitoli (1): Mac (L-6)
Tammy (1): The Rufflig (L-6)
TheFuzzylogic99 (1): mykonian (L-6)
Not Voting (2): TheFuzzylogic99, Kazekirimaru (L-4)

Time Pool Left: 400 Hours
Absolute deadline falls on Wednesday, December 18th, at 4PM GMT -7.

This is in (expired on 2013-12-18 16:00:00)

[Deacon Blues]

ProHawk, when you're around I'd like to talk reads, maybe setting aside the orcinus/kaze question for now.

I mostly agree with Tammy.

Town: Tammy, Kaze, Orcinus, Mac, Prohawk, Fuzzy (last 2 reads are weaker than first 4)
Null: Minami, MafiaSSK
Scum: pitoli, The Rufflig, Nacho (pitoli read feels really influenced, though)

[ProHawk]

I'm around.

I have Tammy, You, and Orc as town reads I feel pretty decent about.
I have Nacho and Rufflig as scum. The rest fit in between at the moment.

[Mac]

But Mac's 798 was pretty town.

you say it's pretty town, yet haven't responded to anything in it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fuckit.

I'm not voting the wagon nacho and ssk are on.

VOTE: Rufflig

Kazzzzzzeeeeeeeee

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery it's surprising me why you're not voting rufflig considering that you have rufflig on your list and that ruffligs flip basically tells us mykos alignment

[Mac]

Vote: SSK

WILL ANYONE JOIN ME HERE

i might vote myko too. pitoli too!

not liking rufflig wagon based on the fact i don't want an info lynch and i'm stilllll not convinced

[Deacon Blues]

Fery it's surprising me why you're not voting rufflig considering that you have rufflig on your list and that ruffligs flip basically tells us mykos alignment

The info lynch aspect makes me nervous.

And I feel like I'm abrogating a responsibility if I don't do more to sort Nacho before the game day ends. I don't want to see a lynch pushed through before I talk with him more.

[Kazekirimaru]

Fuckit.

I'm not voting the wagon nacho and ssk are on.

VOTE: Rufflig

Kazzzzzzeeeeeeeee

orrrrrrrrrrrcccccccc

[Kazekirimaru]

Nacho, pitoli, myko

^ preferred lynchpool

[Deacon Blues]

But, you do know that my vote actually is on rufflig right now? I'll unvote if that wagon really takes off and I'm still waiting for Godot.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: SSK

Rufflig is not an info lynch. It's a scum lynch with a lot of additional info provided.

Rufflig is scum because
1) needlessly condescending attitude which protects him from going into an argument or whatever
2) that entire back and forth with Tammy is bullshit. He flat out lied at one point in time to try and save his ass, saying that he wasn't going to go partner hunt after he said that he did. That's why he wanted to do point 1.
3) "Pity that you voted me I was town reading you"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Uh if you're voting rufflig then VC is off

[Mac]

i will refuse to lynch nacho, i have a hardon for nacho-town right now.

pedit- ill take a look at those points orc.

[Kazekirimaru]

And yet there goes your vote, orc.

[Kazekirimaru]

i will refuse to lynch nacho, i have a hardon for nacho-town right now.

NO MAC

DON'T BE DECEIVED

YOU'RE SLEEPING IN HIS BED OF LIESSSSS