A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[SafetyDance]

The townies withholding their own information think they're better than they are, that everyone reads them as town, and that their secret information is so vital they alone must maintain the details.... Which allows what? Scum to also claim half assed secret role information. Like Tammy/Syranna marriage--Garruk/Shadoweh neighbor+strongarmvig(WTF)--Cephrir/kkb one way note...Why did you put a Miller in this game? Put a Jester in next time.

People like Messiah have been skimming since the start, others have been backing others actions for *reasons* (eg GR & Tierce; Ceph,Nacho & Titus). Shadoweh is even trolling now. ("Ice skating. I'm sure someone will be an obvious target by the end of the day. ").

And this is jinx/snap?

[SafetyDance]

Ooba, your fake claim laid the groundwork for Benmage's.By fake claiming on a real cop, who outed the flavor before I could save him, that lead to GR's death as I had no method of testing Benmage's claim. While I can believe your play is derpy, I cannot on Benmage and I will explain that in a moment.

Kanye, can you please translate this?

Oh wait...

[Titus]

SD, question please?

One of ooba Cephir AB and Naut is almost certainly scum given the end of the Kanye wagon. Benmage shows his scum colors by demotivation.

Cmon we're still in this.

[SafetyDance]

Regarding stopping my reads after Quadz died:
- I opposed the PnJ lynch
- I thought the Goat 1vs1 was the worst thing. I called it Town vs Town

Sure on two I have
- SpyreX's final statements "You know who you are"
- Quadz going a 1:1 on you when he claiming cop would have allowed him to live longer and not hasten his demise
- And a series of attacks on various people that seemed to stem from inside knowledge and not well thought out reads.
But all that is not "hard" evidence.

But Benmage = scum does not need two scum teams - it works well with 6/0 too.

Motivations:

- I lied to get a lynch when I had led two lynches on scum, had generally been good with other town reads (see above) - there's no reason as scum to stick my head out to get kanye lynched - If scum, I would just lie low and win at LyLo with my superlative play\bussing on SpyreX & Quadz
- Benmage on the other hand - gets a clear mislynch - because he can always hide behind his stupid meta and he\his scum partners can claim "let's go after ooba first"

So after all this lengthy discussion on how it was possible that kanye could be bussing quadz and it was totally possible, you are trying to ride the coat-tails of getting two scum lynched? That is bigger grandiose and hubris than anything TT could concoct together if you think that helping to lynch scum gets you a free pass to fakeclaim. Come on...

You made a pre-lynch case for Quadz that you yourself ignored. Kanye and Nacho drove the lynch, repeating and casing a point I brought up (which fair enough, hardly an objective participant in it). It was NOT a 1v1 as you still keep trying to claim it was, there were holes in Quadz, which was pointed out, which he did try to back down from, which he was then proceeded to be lynched for.

As for riding on your "superlative" play? That's exactly what you've been doing since D5.

You want motivation? Self-presevation. Today straight away you attack Benmage, the other faker, because you know the focus will be on you two.

Benmage has been inferring himself that I am scum (by PoE it seems), so if you are inferring that I'm one of his partners who's come out accusing you at least grow balls and say it.

[Titus]

Where the hell was this SafetyDance at the start? Making sense, aggressive AND strong!

[SafetyDance]

SD, question please?

One of ooba Cephir AB and Naut is almost certainly scum given the end of the Kanye wagon. Benmage shows his scum colors by demotivation.

Cmon we're still in this.

Yes?

I have noted that we're still in this and that Patchface has lost her Grayscale Gargoyle protector (saving the world one hyphen at a time).

I think my posts today show how nice that bit of freedom to say what I really think is.

Ninja'd - He was targeting you.

[SafetyDance]

I forgot to mention this with the doc-shot reveal but my block shot could only affect a player's active ability. Faraday had said it doesn't stop factional kills when I asked him, I was just trying to wifom it because it was weak.

(I'd rather this info out now than endgame)

[ooba]

So after all this lengthy discussion on how it was possible that kanye could be bussing quadz and it was totally possible, you are trying to ride the coat-tails of getting two scum lynched?

Other people can read D3-D4 and figure out if I'm scum.

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I don't need balls to say you're scum because it's the same thing I've been saying from D4...
ISO 91 - D4

Evil: SafetyDance-Messiah-Nacho
Chaos: SpyreX-Quadz-?

20% chance of Dual scum teams - Refer theory

To Kanye...

I said lynching Safety Dance first was a equally valid move as long as Quadz was lynched D5. And we both know that would have turned out better for town.

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SafetyDance, useless for four days and turns up when his partner is about to get lynched. And after Tammy, who wanted him dead is killed. /coincidence?

[Titus]

Ooba, I am not buying SD scum.

SD, please don't think I am going to the depths of despair here. I want to see who has done what of those willing to claim to help put the pieces together.

[Benmage]

Why are none of you mentioning Alfred?

[Titus]

Why are none of you mentioning Alfred?

I did. Why aren't you reading? AB is Alfred.

[ooba]

And it could be:
Everyone else.

Ok - say AB is scum. Let's discuss everyone else:

Zdenek Titus

- Reading D3 alone will tell you why he cannot be SpyreX's partner. This was spyreX's push when he was being wagoned. When it was obvious spyreX was going to get lynched, Zednek suddenly unvotes breaking the mutual bus they had the entire day and all the eventual-town-cred that had been built up once SpyreX was lynched?

SafetyDance

- Quadz went 1:1 with SD. If you consider a scum-bus, SafetyDance would have been more "He's scum" instead of "we both are town". Plus Quadz would have never backed down and just gone after him, knowing SD would look better after his flip.

Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth)

- He literally drove the SpyreX and Quadz lynches to completion. Didn't look like a late bus - he practically turned around the SpyreX lynch when it was going to be Alchemist.

Shadoweh

- Could be Chaos but that's kind of WIFOMy play on calling SpyreX 'sure to flip town' and making herself look worse for it.

Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)

- Strong non-bus looking vote on SpyreX but the "let's not lynch Quadz or SD" for now looks bad (actually I'd say scum partners would be careful NOT to say that to an obvious Quadz lynch but not too sure) - Could be Chaos

The Alchemist

- Could be Chaos

I still have town reads on Naut, Shadoweh - both are unlikely Chaos. Give me people for 2.3.4.

[Benmage]

Why are none of you mentioning Alfred?

I did. Why aren't you reading? AB is Alfred.

Oh right... I'm not reading cause I'm scum skimming.. Obviously.

[Benmage]

Give me people for 2.3.4.

Give me 1-4.

[ooba]

Give me people for 2.3.4.

Give me 1-4.

Sure.

Chaos - SpyreX, Quadz, Alfred

(1)

Evil (or) Second scum team

(2,3,4)

- Benmage, SD, Messiah

Your team narrowed it down to Garruk & Alfred as the remaining opposite scum yesterday. You choose Garruk knowing you could always try and weasel your way out of it even if wrong.
Lynching Alfred today would put your team in a nearly unbeatable position because I can see the mislynches of any two of {TA, Magua, Shadoweh, ooba}.

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And if you're "boohoo no two scum teams. that's shit" - then give me names for Alfred + 3 remaing Chaos scum that make sense to you.

[Benmage]

Dear Faraday

Ooba thinks the game is still 2 scum teams.

Did you balance for that?

[Benmage]

And if you're "boohoo no two scum teams. that's shit" - then give me names for Alfred + 3 remaing Chaos scum that make sense to you.

So your out.. is something noone can do.. Awesome.

You can lynch me now.

unvote vote Benmage

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[ooba]

Dear Faraday

Ooba thinks the game is still 2 scum teams.

Did you balance for that?

There's nothing to say it's not a odd one team-even one team night killing scum teams.

At least, I'm thinking about the game in the right terms. We have 11 people and 4 scum. That's 2 mislynches if it's just Chaos. Alfred + 3 people isn't going to cut dice - you give reads now as complete teams - who are the other three scum partners.

[Titus]

And if you're "boohoo no two scum teams. that's shit" - then give me names for Alfred + 3 remaing Chaos scum that make sense to you.

So your out.. is something noone can do.. Awesome.

You can lynch me now.

unvote vote Benmage

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Please stop playing against your wincon. Town or scum, you are not doing that.

[Titus]

*doing that =playing to wincon.

[Benmage]

Dear Faraday

Ooba thinks the game is still 2 scum teams.

Did you balance for that?

There's nothing to say it's not a odd one team-even one team night killing scum teams.

At least, I'm thinking about the game in the right terms. We have 11 people and 4 scum. That's 2 mislynches if it's just Chaos. Alfred + 3 people isn't going to cut dice - you give reads now as complete teams - who are the other three scum partners.

I'll bite. Give me the reads without their being 2 scum teams, and I will too.

Since newsflash... THERE ARE NOT 2 SCUM TEAMS.

[Titus]

Dear Faraday

Ooba thinks the game is still 2 scum teams.

Did you balance for that?

There's nothing to say it's not a odd one team-even one team night killing scum teams.

At least, I'm thinking about the game in the right terms. We have 11 people and 4 scum. That's 2 mislynches if it's just Chaos. Alfred + 3 people isn't going to cut dice - you give reads now as complete teams - who are the other three scum partners.

Get out of moonlogic. No night had multiple kilks. No flips of this second team. Just stop please.

[Benmage]

And if you're "boohoo no two scum teams. that's shit" - then give me names for Alfred + 3 remaing Chaos scum that make sense to you.

So your out.. is something noone can do.. Awesome.

You can lynch me now.

unvote vote Benmage

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Please stop playing against your wincon. Town or scum, you are not doing that.

If my lynch is inevitable.... stalling is scum motivated.

[Magua]

@Benmage:

Going to say this as nicely as I fucking can: stop being a twat with your self vote.

@ooba:

Was serious asking about why we should treat Benmage's fake-guilty different from yours. Want this thought process.

Also, if this is two scumteams, what is your theory as to why there's been no Night with two kills? If you think there's an odd-Night/even-Night split, do you think the two win together or not? If they do win together, how is this theory *any* different from just one scumteam? If not, how exactly do you think that shit is going to be balanced?

[ooba]

Good lord. One team kills on odd nights, one on even nights - some amount of crosskill protection\rbing involved.

Night 2 - macmollie killed
Night 4 - blocked by Titus
Night 6 - AGar killed
Night 8 - Tierce killed

Night 1 - BP eaten up by Tierce
Night 3 - ???
Night 5 - ??? (blocked by Agar?)
Night 7 - Tammy killed

^Anyway I'll bite with the other four "if only Chaos" reads