Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Does Bo Know]

I meant assertiveness, not aggressiveness.

Basically I'm trying to figure out if your back and forth with ETL is townie or scummy.

[Wake1]

I just think the questions you're asking me are more or less not going to matter.

You're basically asking me about my read on you.

And I'm telling you I don't know why I can't read you.

But you keep pestering me about my inability to read you when you could be trying to focus on other things.

And I'm gonna go ahead and predict you're going to ask "Like what other things?"

And I'm gonna go ahead and answer "I don't know" again.

Whether you think my questions are valid or not has no bearing on their validity. No game-related questions are invalid, because they all seek to provide illumination. Why you are taking this route of deciding which questions are and aren't valid I cannot understand, because it makes no sense. Yes, I am in one regard you for your read on me, yet in another I am trying to ascertain which players here believe me. In response, you mention you read me neither way, and that you have difficulty reading me. In response to that, I mention that you can gather information on me in my past, completed games. Yet you say it would be pointless, and that you usually don't change your mind by reading past metas in games in which you weren't in. So, you have difficulty reading me, yet you won't research me in this particular game. I must confess I am a bit curious about you, and what stokes my curiosity I have difficulty ignoring. Hopefully that won't be a problem. Is it alright with you if I place under much scrutiny?

[Wake1]

I meant assertiveness, not aggressiveness.

Basically I'm trying to figure out if your back and forth with ETL is townie or scummy.

...oh, assertiveness. I didn't feel that way. That, too, I don't quite understand. I was feeling as though ETL was assertive. Do you share that feeling with me? If you, I'm more than willing to go through all the points contained within me and ETL's discussion.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Town player direct their attention outward to other players, attempting to get information. Scum players direct their attention inward, attempting to get other players to townread them.

What you are doing, Wake, is asking people what they think of you. You arent actually seeking information. You arent doing anything with your vote.

What you ARE doing is spamming worthless inquiries about yourself and trying to force people to provide a hastened read on you. What you are doing is focusing on yourself and what people think of you, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY SCUM HUNTING.

I am very happy with my vote.

[Does Bo Know]

Look

I just need to go back and read your thing with ETL

Okay?

My point is that even if I did go back and read your past games, I would not care or remember anything enough for it to mean anything in this game.

And is the sky blue?

[Does Bo Know]

Oh and Wake

Let the class know what your conclusions are from our discussion.

[Does Bo Know]

I am very happy with my vote.

Damn. I was hoping to keep a Gam wagon going to see how certain people would react, but that's not happening.

UNVOTE:

I'll read up on things later and probably set another vote some time soon.

[Wake1]

Town player direct their attention outward to other players, attempting to get information. Scum players direct their attention inward, attempting to get other players to townread them.

What you are doing, Wake, is asking people what they think of you. You arent actually seeking information. You arent doing anything with your vote.

What you ARE doing is spamming worthless inquiries about yourself and trying to force people to provide a hastened read on you. What you are doing is focusing on yourself and what people think of you, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY SCUM HUNTING.

I am very happy with my vote.

Why do you assume I haven't been Scumhunting? The posts are there, and more than able to be seen. In light of those facts, why do you pretend as though I Scumhunted at all, as though all I've done this whole game is ask people what their reads on me are? I think you know as well as I that the notion you're putting forth isn't true, and that is one thing that is bugging me. Should I provide evidence which shows all of the posts where I have Scumhunted? The ones you seem to be pretending don't exist?

Please don't tell me I have not bee seeking information, when I have. It's less than honest, and to some degree it makes me want to cast my vote for you in order to see what you will do under pressure. There is no debate, and if you want to take this further I will take the argument to you and point out every single instance in which I have Scumhunted. I don't mean to sound snarky, but do you really want to give me that pleasure?

I have danced to this tune before, and I will show the falseness in your words if you persist in being dishonest.

[Wake1]

Of particular note ETL unvotes Gam and votes for me, saying I haven't Scumhunted when that is not true at all...

...then, DBK unvotes... and then mentions that he's going to reread our discussion... and that he's so unsure.

...it sort of makes me suspect that he's going to vote me, because maybe both of them are Scum. Then again, that's just one man's speculation. The very thought is nonsensical.

[Does Bo Know]

You're using a lot of words to say what you need to say.

The entire post 207 could've been condensed to:

"I have been scumhunting and gathering information."

And it would've had the same effect.

Wake, let me tell you something: the more fluff I have to read, the less interested I get in what is said, and the less effective my understanding of the game is. And we both like having understanding of the game. Right?

[Does Bo Know]

Also, Wake, you forgot to answer whether the sky was blue or not.

[Does Bo Know]

Of particular note ETL unvotes Gam and votes for me, saying I haven't Scumhunted when that is not true at all...

...then, DBK unvotes... and then mentions that he's going to reread our discussion... and that he's so unsure.

...it sort of makes me suspect that he's going to vote me, because maybe both of them are Scum.

Then again, that's just one man's speculation. The very thought is nonsensical.

That last part I bolded...I think there's a word for it, but it's basically making an argument to put into people's heads and then backing away from it to make sure his hands won't get too dirty.

[Wake1]

You're using a lot of words to say what you need to say.

The entire post 207 could've been condensed to:

"I have been scumhunting and gathering information."

And it would've had the same effect.

Wake, let me tell you something: the more fluff I have to read, the less interested I get in what is said, and the less effective my understanding of the game is. And we both like having understanding of the game. Right?

If you'd like to be quite succinct, you're more than welcome to be so yourself.

...oh, so now you bring up fluff do you? Maybe I see through you, maybe I don't. It sort of seems like you're purposefully saying my posts can be condensed, and that they aren't, you can then shrug it off as fluff... which then gives you reason to say you're not interested, while also calling it not that effective. Subtle, I'll give you that.

It's true we both like having an understanding of the game. But... it's as if you think one must be very succinct in order to have understanding. There are many nuances in my posts, as well as raw thought. The quantity of my posts I feel accurately reflects my thoughts and feelings at those very moments. If that is me, who are you to try and change that? It's not as though you're going to give me the keys to

your

gameplay style... am I correct?

[Does Bo Know]

I'm just letting you know that the more you try to post to make one simple point, the less interested I'm going to be.

And the last thing I need is for you to pester me for not being interested and then go into fifteen posts to "scumhunt."

[Does Bo Know]

Also, Wake, you forgot to answer whether the sky was blue or not.

[Wake1]

I'm just letting you know that the more you try to post to make one simple point, the less interested I'm going to be.

And the last thing I need is for you to pester me for not being interested and then go into fifteen posts to "scumhunt."

I'm gauging your reactions.

One of the impressions you're imparting is that you're trying to shift the conversation towards me trying to post a lot to make a point, and that you'll not be that interested as a result. I feel that's evasive. If you were Town, I would expect you to engage me, instead of trying to change focus elsewhere. ...as though you focus personally on the one questioning you, instead of doing what you can to refute that person's points. Your response hasn't been to refute me directly, but to attack my post as wordy, and fluffy, and not being interesting, and lacking effectiveness, and that I'm pestering you, and that I'm then going to go Scumhunting for the next 15 posts. How about to take on my posts head-on, instead of trying waving it away with excuse after convoluted excuse?

[Wake1]

DBK, I have nothing to hide, and nothing to avoid.

You give the impression you do, in my humble opinion.

[Does Bo Know]

I'm gonna do that in the next few minutes because I'm at my laptop now.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to go down this road, because I do still think your line of questioning toward me is useless. I was just trying to do what I could through a phone post.

[Wake1]

I'm gonna do that in the next few minutes because I'm at my laptop now.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to go down this road, because I do still think your line of questioning toward me is useless. I was just trying to do what I could through a phone post.

I am looking forward to it.

Whether you think my line of questioning is useless or not has absolutely no bearing on whether it is or isn't, at least when the majority is concerned.

[Does Bo Know]

DBK, I have nothing to hide,

and nothing to avoid.

You give the impression you do, in my humble opinion.

Is the sky fucking blue, Wake?

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If you had ever played a game with me, you'd know that I like people answering questions as much as the next guy.

But I have a limit to questions I don't see worth answering.

However, since you won't shut up about it, I'll indulge you. And if you're confirmed scum, I'm going to hate you. A lot.

[Wake1]

DBK, I have nothing to hide,

and nothing to avoid.

You give the impression you do, in my humble opinion.

Is the sky fucking blue, Wake?

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If you had ever played a game with me, you'd know that I like people answering questions as much as the next guy.

But I have a limit to questions I don't see worth answering.

However, since you won't shut up about it, I'll indulge you. And if you're confirmed scum, I'm going to hate you. A lot.

Say what you feel you need to say. I'll listen, but I won't take part in gimmicky sentences like asking me if the sky is blue. Also, I'll point out every single time that I feel you are shifting, twisting, fabricating, or distorting the magnitude of my actions. If you are Town, you have every reason in the world to speak the absolute truth without any addition or subtraction. I do so with you, and I expect the very same from you. That said, if you are indeed Scum, I suggest you tread very, very carefully.

[Wake1]

Gamsimbre

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Would you please share your thoughts on ETL and the other players who have voted for you?

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Do you still feel there is one or zero Scum between either me or BBMolla?

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Between me, ETL, and DBK, in what order would you rank us from Towniest to Scummiest, and why?

[Does Bo Know]

Say what you feel you need to say. I'll listen,

but I won't take part in gimmicky sentences like asking me if the sky is blue.

Also, I'll point out every single time that I feel you are shifting, twisting, fabricating, or distorting the magnitude of my actions. If you are Town, you have every reason in the world to speak the absolute truth without any addition or subtraction. I do so with you, and I expect the very same from you. That said, if you are indeed Scum, I suggest you tread very, very carefully.

But it

is

asked in-game so it is a valid question. And I'm telling you I'm going to use it for scumhunting.

So answer it.

[Lucky2u]

Lots of back and forth to catch up on I see...

[Wake1]

You are evading me again, DBK.

VOTE: Does Bo Know