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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:13 pm

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Deadline: (expired on 2014-01-02 16:00:00)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.4

[L-7] Keybladewielder
[L-7] Zebe
[L-7] Cheery Dog
[L-7] Smudger
[L-7] gamsimbre
[L-7] EspeciallyTheLies
[L-7] BBmolla
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: gamsimbre
[L-6]
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: Zebe
[L-6]
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: EspeciallyTheLies
[L-5]
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: aptil, Kalimar
[L-4]
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: Cheery Dog, Wake88, Smudger
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: Lucky2u, Mr_Blonde, BBmolla


Not voting (2): Keybladewielder, Does Bo Know
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:15 pm

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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:03 am

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BBMolla's gambit & Wake wagon.
Looking through this, four votes happened in rapid succession, and then BBM put down his fake Night 0 guilty claim. DBK seemed rather willing at the time to go through my lynch in (21). Unlike DBK ETL waited with her vote to see my response; breaking this down, I could see ETL as Town for her reservations, or as Scum who knows better to risk something so stupid, while also appearing more credible. With my dismissal of his gambit, it crumbled while he revealed it was so. It ended in #50 and #51. The wagon's reckless, and BBM's gambit gives him a very slight Townread (I'm far more reserved with my reads than general players). If persisted in his lie to the point of actually trying to mislynch a Townie, I'd vote him in a heartbeat and shut it down. I didn't like Cheery's #58 (58) because it felt smart-alecky. As for Gamsimbre's (57), I don't particularly understand his conclusions. Gambiting in general isn't Scummy, and as Town I've done my fair share of them. As for the wagon, only Aptil and Kalimar are still on it, but that doesn't mean much because they don't do much... and I keep forgetting they and Mr. Blonde are even here.


ETL, DBK, and Unlucky Lucky.
Following hot on the heels of that sideshow, ETL then turned more to Lucky in (70). Her issue was that he voted Mafiascum.net because of it's constant crashes, instead of voting some player here. Personally I think it's a weak reason, unless to provide pressure. Seemingly in tandem DBK in the very next vote then goes after Lucky, too, At this point, I'm chewing over the possibility that they're both Scum because of how subtly coordinated their actions are. And forget the fact Lucky's post wasn't serious; we just need to vote people seriously for being unserious. It still bothers me a bit. ETL in (75) said his vote on MS.net was suspicious. I don't equate goofing around with being suspicious. The question is whether ETL is Town, or Scum grasping at straws. BBM also jumps on it, adhering to the same faulty reasoning; at this point his very slight Town read evaporates. ETL didn't like that Lucky wasn't interacting with anyone with his joke vote... well, how dare he joke in his very first post. DBK chimes in agreement with ETL again (85)... starting to notice a slight pattern. I'm trying to discern if ETL's Scum, so if I think you ETL are doing Scummy things that make no sense, while doing your best to pass it off as legit, I'm going to stop you and let you know what I think. I've played enough games with Scum to not be afraid to question everything, no matter how much some players like or agree with others. And your very deliberate dismissal of my interest in your actions is very telling.

Enter the Gamsimbre.
I just now noticed something on my reread. In (113) you agreed with me and my defense of Lucky against ETL's overreaching. But then he takes issue his Lucky's deliberate sarcasm in response to ETL's pressure, and suddenly votes for Lucky. SO, you agreed with me that ETL was grasping at straws regarding Lucky's first post, but because Lucky was sarcastic in his responses to ETL you now vote for him. I want you to explain this to me in detail, because you're creating more questions than answers from where I'm sitting. My take on the issue was that we should give Lucky more time to contribute, but I wouldn't mind policy-lynching him if he decided to post that way constantly. (124) finds ETL going after Gamsimbre instead, because what he said in (114) also pinged her gut. Maybe I agree with her on that feeling as of this moment. I tend to give players a hard time, so maybe she really is just an annoyed Townie. Maybe. As for Lucky, he did mention that I was defending him an awful lot; although it's true that I am very opinionated about fishy/unreasonable actions I don't quite understand, I don't blame him for being paranoid. I'd do the same.

From one Hunter to Another.
My signature Annihilator Beam was revealed in (129). It is flavor. Fun for me, and helpful for Town when one has enough time to use it fully. The concept is simple: ask questions, and use every drop of information gathered. What I can say is that it is very useful when used right. If you want to know the namesake of my Annihilator Beam, it's from the very successful
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Who're the Secret Agent Men?
Seriously. Mr. Blonde, I'm waiting for you to post more. Same with Aptil, Kalimar, Zebe, Smudger, and Cheery Dog. I keep having to check the activity log just to remember who's even in this game. It shouldn't have to be me, DBK, ETL, and BBM contributing the most while the rest of you lurk/whatever.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:32 am

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VOTE: gam
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:59 am

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In post 259, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 256, Cheery Dog wrote:Re: end of page before this quote came from: zeke's read list - It has given my a thought of him being scum with lucky and me thrown in on that list as town as a poor bussing excuse.
In post 164, Wake1 wrote:Her reasoning for voting Gam has no grounding, because over five people have posted less than he has.

Pardon me for unearthing inconsistencies. Gotta keep people honest and busy here.
it is only less from ask of us with the shear number of posts and /or content?
Can somebody translate?
i assume you're wanting the autocorrect un-autocorrected.
(otherwise #146)

Was the comparison between gam and people with under 10 posts actually done in regard to the content of each individuals' posts our just quantity over quality?

well I guess I went a rephrasing, but that's basically because my rights as to how to phrase something change went I get frustrated with getting my phone to work and decide to just sleep instead of keeping everyone else in the hotel awake.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:02 am

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Wake, when you're done sucking your own dick, mind giving us the conclusion?
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:07 am

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Wow lol...

@mod: Please redact my last post. I wouldnt want to offend anyone who might misunderstand it as a personal attack.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:09 am

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In post 305, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Wake, when you're done sucking your own dick, mind giving us the conclusion?
In post 306, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Wow lol...

@mod: Please redact my last post. I wouldnt want to offend anyone who might misunderstand it as a personal attack.
Yeah, I want you to stop this stupid crap
now
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:15 am

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I want you to stop trying to police my behavior when I am not attacking you personally. I am attacking your posts. Stop taking it personally.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:16 am

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In post 288, Does Bo Know wrote:Actually nah

UNVOTE:

I'm being way too unbiased with that vote. I half-ass read only the parts about me, so I'll actually read it tomorrow.
In what way does you omgusing give an unbiased vote that needed removed?
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:18 am

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In post 308, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I want you to stop trying to police my behavior when I am not attacking you personally. I am attacking your posts. Stop taking it personally.
I'm Scumhunting you while applying pressure, and you keep lashing back with personal vitriol. Your latest comment was deliberately personal, and you've got a lot of gall trying to back-track by calling it a misunderstanding. Who do you think you are?
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:19 am

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In post 289, Does Bo Know wrote:Way too biased*
Helps if I do read on slightly - therefore this is a waste of two posts.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:19 am

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Here it is with a little candy coating for you:

You spent a lot of time in that post explaining why your methods are awesome but you did not get to the point or share the end result of your analysis, the conclusion you have come to. That is really scummy and I am going to lynch your slot for it.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:20 am

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Who do you think YOU are?? You think you deserve to be treated differently than I treat anyone else while playing a game of mafia??? Yet you are the only one to complain about how your feelings are hurt ....
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:22 am

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It absolutely is you misunderstanding me and misreading my posts and taking things way too personally. It has nothing to do with you.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:22 am

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In post 312, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Here it is with a little candy coating for you:

You spent a lot of time in that post explaining why your methods are awesome but you did not get to the point or share the end result of your analysis, the conclusion you have come to. That is really scummy and I am going to lynch your slot for it.
Don't add your own spin to my posts. I never said my methods were awesome. That's from you.

Also, you seem to think I was completely done, when I gave you
no
confirmation that I was. That is
your
assumption.

You will try.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:24 am

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That post was well over an hour ago. Try again.

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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:27 am

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Wake I get the impression you have not read the thread lately.
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:29 am

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In post 303, Lucky2u wrote:VOTE: gam
Would you like to give reasons for voting town?
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:36 am

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In post 313, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Who do you think YOU are?? You think you deserve to be treated differently than I treat anyone else while playing a game of mafia??? Yet you are the only one to complain about how your feelings are hurt ....
In post 314, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:It absolutely is you misunderstanding me and misreading my posts and taking things way too personally. It has nothing to do with you.
I expect to be treated with general respect and common courtesy. You're no exception. The more you respond with your own brand of personal bile, the angrier I'm going to get with you. You know what? I'm beginning to think you really hate being questioned. Sorry, but you're not the only person playing in this game. First you ignorantly said I was narcissistic when you have absolutely NO clue what narcissism actually is, and then you say I'm sucking my own dick. What the hell.

You're hostile and emotional when people do to you what you do to others. We're both in this game, and I will not refrain from questioning you and your posts just because you're ETL, and I certainly won't tolerate any more of your bile when you thrash against me.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:37 am

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In post 317, Smudger wrote:Wake I get the impression you have not read the thread lately.
My large post was up to page 6-7. I wasn't done, and was preoccupied on another front on MS.net. That's possibly why you have that impression.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:45 am

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In post 318, Cheery Dog wrote:
In post 303, Lucky2u wrote:VOTE: gam
Would you like to give reasons for voting town?
Would you like to give reasons why you think he is town?
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:50 am

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In post 279, Cheery Dog wrote:
In post 239, gamsimbre wrote:
My reasoning is pressure. Wagoning is a great tool to see how people react which is what I got from lucky. Keep in mind too my vote on lucky was not random. Kalimar put wake at L2 when the game immediately started, so we need to hear his reasoning whenever he decides to show up.
Having a wagon going is all you need to be in favor of it?
I'm not sure what your vote put lucky onto, but I did notice that wagon also reached L-2 - do why are we needing to wait for that vote reasoning in particular, rather than for example, just more content?
This is you last and really only post concerning gamsbire and you don't seem to be reading him town here so... Why did you state that question to me as if you know he was town?
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:04 am

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In post 319, Wake1 wrote:You're hostile and emotional when people do to you what you do to others. We're both in this game, and I will not refrain from questioning you and your posts just because you're ETL, and I certainly won't tolerate any more of your bile when you thrash against me.
You are absolutely right I'm hostile and emotional when people question me.
But I don't go whining to the mod about it because it's part of the fucking game.
I called you narcissistic because that is exactly how your posts were sounding. You think I'm not going to fucking point it out??? I mean, come on. This is a game about analyzing more than just words. You have to analyze the attitude behind them.

Not to mention.....

um...

it's a game. I am asking you to please, please, please not take things I say in a game personally.
It is not personal.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:13 am

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In post 323, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 319, Wake1 wrote:You're hostile and emotional when people do to you what you do to others. We're both in this game, and I will not refrain from questioning you and your posts just because you're ETL, and I certainly won't tolerate any more of your bile when you thrash against me.
You are absolutely right I'm hostile and emotional when people question me.
But I don't go whining to the mod about it because it's part of the fucking game.
I called you narcissistic because that is exactly how your posts were sounding. You think I'm not going to fucking point it out??? I mean, come on. This is a game about analyzing more than just words. You have to analyze the attitude behind them.

Not to mention.....

um...

it's a game. I am asking you to please, please, please not take things I say in a game personally.
It is not personal.
Then that's your weakness, and everyone will exploit that. I have NO problem being questioned. Just don't vomit on me.

If what you said wasn't personal, then I guess you think our moderator was mistaken. You need to understand that some of the things you say are personal, and that there are consequences for your actions. If you tell your teacher to stop sucking his dick because you don't like what he has to say, life's not going to treat you well. I don't tell you all of the horrible, razor sharp things I could tell you for one reason: this is a game, and it's never good when you personally attack people who are just trying to play it. I'm no angel, either, but I'm not arrogant enough to not acknowledge my hurtful words when others point them out.

You don't know what narcissism is. You may not even know what the DSM is. You probably don't know the clinical manifestations of narcissism, or what it is as a whole. Likely all you're doing is regurgitating some other person's ignorant label of narcissism.

And you're absolutely right about this game being really complex and about analyzing the attitudes behind the words. But as you should know you need to be self-aware of your own bad attitude and the words that are coming out of your mouth. Just because you say something personal and say it isn't, that doesn't mean it wasn't personal. It's like me calling you something dirty, and then saying "Woah, chill, even though I called you something despicable, don't take it personally because I say so." Yeah, no. You need to wake up and stop what you're doing.
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