A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

Ill be here saying I told you so.

[Benmage]

Hide behind the fakeclaim and ignore the validity. You unvoted from Titus your other best town read. There's a gagillion neighbor roles and they're all town.

Cheah.. O-kay

[Benmage]

I havent called (pushed)much people scum this game save Alfred.. and obv the misfire on Garruk.. which had I not gotten tunnel-mode there I probably would've switched to Alfred after Tammy was killed.. but since I created the idea when TET terribadfest was occurring I rushed it... zzz myb.... but alfreds still obvscum.

[Magua]

Ill be here saying I told you so.

That's such a helpful and useful post! Gosh, I'm glad you're here to be this constructive! Thank goodness you're not some useless sack of shit who thinks they're better than everyone else, and then when their lie to the town doesn't work out, retreats into five-year-old level retorts!

Because that would be kind of sad!

[Magua]

Also, and while I do very much mean everything I said in 5853 I mean this even more: You said

the exact same fucking things

about Garruk.

Your complete lack of comprehension of the similarities that I see between these two events is staggering.

[Alfred Borden]

Your setup spec is asstastic
None of my abilities are exceptionally powerful.
Lots of neighborizers is entirely reasonable and its very likely at least one of ceph or shadoweh is scum aanywy

Driving chi to boston will clarify in around 8 hours
If I lose one rider I can get a new one

[Alfred Borden]

I wanted to try and get a joffrey claim out of a meighbor but didnt e mm want info to die with me and lynch imminent

[Eddard Stark]

Day 9, Vc 10

The Alchemist (2) -

Nautilius, Cephrir

ooba (1) -

SafetyDance

Messiah (2) -

ooba, Alfred Borden

Alfred Borden (4) -

Benmage, Messiah Complex, The Alchemist, Titus

Not voting (2)

: Shadoweh, Magua

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 26th of December 19:30 EST
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-12-26 19:30:00)
  
• I'm basically counting everyone semi v/la for the christmas period.

[Magua]

@Cephrir, SafetyDance, SafetyDance:

If you could give me your current, up to the minute reads, and take on the last three Days, that'd be super swell.

[ooba]

And also, could I ask you which part of TA's refutation was the best part so I can refute it harder?

TA's refutation had fairly little to do with my read.

Also, close to LyLo, I believe it's best to lynch the guy that everyone calls not-town and is on their scum lists but not the person they're voting for.

[ooba]

Also we ate amrun corpse and learned of Hes a Monster

If Joffrey baratheon is in the setup hes scum with means of concealing identity and 1shot death immunity
Shared info with tierce so she could coin
Thought garruk and someone else potential joffreys due to lannister gold

hhae another ability im not claiming because It can still help and is best unknown

As Magua requested, more info on what exactly "Hes a Monster" means.

Why would Balerion have information about Joffrey?

[Cephrir]

@Cephrir, SafetyDance, SafetyDance:

If you could give me your current, up to the minute reads, and take on the last three Days, that'd be super swell.

Yes, yes, I'm getting there, I have to iso all you clowns.

[Titus]

@Cephrir, SafetyDance, SafetyDance:

If you could give me your current, up to the minute reads, and take on the last three Days, that'd be super swell.

Why do you have SD twice?

[Magua]

Why do you have SD twice?

Because I misspelled "Shadoweh" the second time.

@Cephrir:

I don't want ISOs. I don't want sixty page dissertations or PbPAs or any of that crap. I want just your first level responses to what's happened since ooba's fakeclaim.

[Messiah Complex]

Magua, being concerned about a flashwagon when Ben, Titus, and ourselves have all been calling him scummy independently but have not have the support for his lynch is kinda weird.

Is it cold feet or strictly a no derphammers thing? Your comment to Ben made that kind of unclear.

- Des

[Cephrir]

Why do you have SD twice?

Because I misspelled "Shadoweh" the second time.

@Cephrir:

I don't want ISOs. I don't want sixty page dissertations or PbPAs or any of that crap. I want just your first level responses to what's happened since ooba's fakeclaim.

Well, I am beginning to accept that Benmage could just be a grade A colossal moron. But I'm not sold yet. My instinct is still to lynch MC/TA today, but the whole everything going totally wrong for quite some time now has me feeling paranoid. I have also been flat out dead wrong all fucking game, though this is hardly a surprise. You have been towning up your slot but I intend to at least briefly meta you, because I recall mislynching you in LoL mafia not being all that hard despite a somewhat similar situation ie you replacing into a seemingly hosed slot that turned out to be town (that is to say, you could be a scum preference type like myself; I guess I would accept someone else's word that this isn't the case). I have not totally forgiven you for being elle the mediocre.

TA suddenly caring is good, and I'm sure I've incorrectly lynched lurkers before. Pushing on Naut seems like sort of an overt attempt to look townie? On the other hand, the guy has been the second place wagon like eight million times, and that tells me scum haven't been pushing him. He seems like someone who would be bussed if scum, except when you consider our present situation. Plus, they might have wanted their Ninja as long as possible if he is one. At the risk of wanting to strangle myself, I can see why the mod would design the coin ability the way it is designed for a scum role. Also, I have felt all game that I did not want this in lylo, yet here we fucking almost are.

I certainly keep having paranoid hiccups about Naut, then I read more of his posts and feel better. I have seen scum try this hard before, but not Scumcho, who has in the two games I've seen him in 1) been obvscum and 2) tryharded at first then petered out. Also, when scum tryhard, they don't feel this much like they are legitimately attempting to sort everyone, and I mean EVERYONE.

Alfred could be scum but is more lynchable than I would expect him to be if actually scum. Off the top of my head he is on the list but not the top.

If I could lynch anyone right now it would be Messiah Complex. I have wanted to lynch them literally all game. At least half their posts have scum dripping off them all over, Desp is not playing like he did in NY 164, and they are overall very needlessly hostile (literally textbook what I do as scum. There is actually a textbook.) I have pointed out a lot of things that bothered me there throughout the game and I refuse to accept the possibility that I have been utterly wrong 100% of the time this game.

I would say my "almost never lynch this" pile contains ooba, Naut, & SD. I want to check over ooba one last time but otherwise feel about as good about them as I am likely to ever feel in a game that feels wrong. If SD is scum I will eat my hat. And I don't even have a hat, so that's a hefty statement.

Titus has had pretty solid town moments but a fair number of not so town moments. ooba's argument wrt the Spyre lynch is persuasive.

Shadoweh could actually be scum. I feel like she has gotten a free pass from just about everyone and I sorta got swept up in letting that happen without considering why. Probably my highest priority ISO.

SD
ooba
Naut
--
Benmage/Magua/Titus
Shadoweh/Alfred [these two need isoing; the three above do as well but not as badly]
Alchemist
MC

[Nautilius]

Ugh, I really don't see Naut getting lynched when he's practically driving the train right now. I'd frankly feel bad voting him. Maybe that's just my chickenness talking. (Not that I don't like my avatar, I just literally can't change it <_< ) I'm kind of garbage this game.

This train needs a new conductor, stat. Come talk to me, I'm proof garbage can stop stinking.

TA, your play is consistent with idiot. You FoS heavily on town. Withdraw when proven false and go back to the drawing board.

It's needlessly antagonistic and derogatory shit like this that keeps bringing your slot down to the scumfuck level for me. And other things, but I've no time to waste on you right now.

Now, the reason that I quoted your cases and singled them out because regardless of shenanigans, one two cases were the only two pieces of content you contributed during the time where you were town as fuck and the most engaged. Part of it is that there's nothing ultra town lurking in those posts, fair, and I will address it when you do. The other part in that case is that it doesn't really make any sort of sense; your case on him was sheeping what people had already said plus one additional golden nugget where you go *and* he didn't sort them out, but that doesn't matter at all.

I don't understand what you mean by "and I will address it when you do". Address what? In fact, what is this paragraph even trying to say?

You do correctly more that I called you town a bunch day 1. For light attitude. For posting that generally felt good. You can see how that doesn't necessarily hold too much weight day 9, right? You can see how I have townreads who have done a lot more than what you did day 1 hold up beyond your play, no?

You were defending the fuck out of me up until the tail end of Day 8. Obviously Day 1 shit shouldn't carry me this far, but apparently somehow it did for you. What's your point?

I also did like your middle finger up to tierce, similar to how I liked shadoweh and tierce trolling of me. I generally like when townies with easier to figure out metas are snarky, I'm your face; it's an aggressive move to throw around your towniness that can be afforded because you are confident that you will be read correctly eventually. Here, the context is different. Tierce calls you out on something that's pretty readily justified and you respond with "you pushed mislynches, nyeh". Which is not exactly anywhere close to a compelling argument (or, since you were railing on me for using weak language earlier, this is scummy bullshit mudslinging and you know it. What else was your purpose?). Also, does bringing up a dead townies name mean that my case has less merit? Considering my argument doesn't consist of "oh tierce said he was scum".... No, it doesn't. Nice attempt at a discredit though!

Tierce was being snarky, so I decided to be snarky back. Way to completely ignore my original counterpoint, which was "you didn't jump on this as scummy earlier (in fact you called it town), and the person you copied this idea from came to think it wasn't scummy either, so why are you bringing this up again?"

You townread quadz when he claimed macho cop and apparently have a hidden thought process that backs that up. I'm happy with that point staying right there.

This shows an exemplary lack of knowledge of my scum meta, for someone that knows my scum meta so well.

You think I was setting up for your lynch by calling you a policy lynch (still implying you were town)? And it wasn't a reaction test because I didn't blow the lid immediately? These two points are horrible and shouldn't need refuting, but for your amusement: I have no need to posture for your lynch. Saying "man I would policy lynch that guy" isn't very good posturing to set up for a lynch. Secondly, reaction tests like that usually last a while, as you saw in stack the deck.

You

had

the reaction (according to you) and you

still

went on with the policy thing. Which is rather secondary to my actual point, which was YOU WENT FROM NEVER LYNCH THIS TO POLICY IT TO SCUMREAD IN <5 POSTS. Why the fuck are you wasting my/everyone else's time explaining what a fucking reaction test is when you're not actually addressing my point???

Your response to meta case is: what about all those games I played in a hydra? Yes, you lurk as town in hydras. Do you want to know why? Because in those hydras, you have players that can cover for you and generally don't need you in order for the slot to prosper. When you are the only person representing your slot, you are responsible for that slot being read and you are responsible for pushing lynches through that slot. In no other toe games no matter how short (save curse of pleadon which wasn't a game) you have shown more dedication to the game and produced more content than you have here. This is not the case for your scumgames.

Dude.
Dude.
You are not town.

Hunter Hunter. One Day of goodposting, lurked to doom and gone. Xylbot, lurked to doom and gone until Tierce interested me. Raptured; goodposting Day 1, one case on Fery, lurked till LyLo.

Furthermore, you know full well I'd never bother to go to all this fucking effort to save my own ass as scum right now. Remember MyLO? Harry Potter? Ferygame? You bloody well ought to; you were in all of them.

Oh and holy shit - TA, you claim to have no time for the game ever to do anything but suddenly become flush with time when I call your ass out and start pushing you? You don't think you could have made a little bit of time earlier...?

Early Christmas gift.

I quoted your cases because they were all you did and they sucked. Better?

If I defended you until the tail end of Day 8, why werent you in the earlier town block that I made? (Hint: you weren't.)

Do you know what a reread is? Do you know what resetting is? You're pretending like you aren't.

Do tell.

The "you called me town before" point remains and still sucks.

I addressed all of those games except for Ruptured, and in all of them, more content than you have here. You would never put in effort to safe yourself as scum? Am I supposed to just buy that, or...?

[Nautilius]

MC, I have proven the dual claimers one must be scum to myself. I understandI have the burden to convince you. You have the burden to convince me. I am going to try again because I feel TA is a lurktastic moron.

First, we have two fake claimers. Ooba's timing was right when kanye's wagon was the weakest. He was quickhammered before I could see it and say fake guilty or scum cop.

Benmage causes another mislynch on a player who had almost worked his way to conftown status. Noapparent town motivation exists for the claim.

Two suspicious claims under the circumstances, at least 1 is scum.

The only reason you have proven it to yourself is because you are making Ooba's fakeclaim sound prettier than it was. Kanye wasn't a viable lynch option until Ooba fakeclaimed. Garruk had not even come close to working his way to conftown.

Both fakeclaims were equally bad. There does not have to be scum among them, and Ooba's was just as (if not more) dubious than Benmage's, so your analysis is just wrong.

Re deep:

1) they commented on it, which you can verify yourself. I never said they took a stance. Why wouldn't scum be able to take a stance, do you think?

4) I don't know what impact FF would have on your game. What impact does he have on your game? Wrt llamarble, llamarble can't coach him on something he has no understanding of. Which is sort of obvious and a point I feel I brought up before. His posting here and in Space Maria is pretty comparable. Yes there were points where he posted more in Space mafia, but... So?

1) The only comment they made was that we shouldn't put off sorting the 1v1...which is exactly what they proceeded to do.
4) I think it's a mistake to base hydra reads on single heads while ignoring the partner, which you have done on both Borden and us. Marble doesn't need to understand it if Empire does--are you suggesting that Empire doesn't know what it takes to get townread by Tammy and Tierce? Because the combination of Empire's knowledge of his own meta + Marble's ability as a scum player seems like a prime recipe for fooling them. Why can't you see this?

And the point is, he sacrificed time he could have spent in this game (where he was universally townread since D1 and had caught 0 scum) to recalibrate on D1 of Space Mafia. Do you think town-Borden led by Empire who had had such a shitty towngame would choose D1 of a new mini over trying to figure this game out? Because I don't.

@ Magua: I'm only seeing four possible Borden votes--you, us, Ben, Titus. Do you see two more? If not, vote Alchemist.

- Des

1) they didn't have a chance to comment because we lynched quadz.i ask you again why it makes them scum.

2) I can see him putting more effort in a different game, yes. Why can't you?

[Nautilius]

It seems very very remarkable that Messiah, TA, and Titus decided that it was to compromise all around the same time.

[Nautilius]

Ill be here saying I told you so.

And what will you say when Alfred flips town? Anything?

[Messiah Complex]

Desp is not playing like he did in NY 164, and they are overall very needlessly hostile (literally textbook what I do as scum. There is actually a textbook.)

I take it you were just bullshitting when I addressed this earlier and you said it was a moot point?

- Des

[Messiah Complex]

It seems very very remarkable that Messiah, TA, and Titus decided that it was to compromise all around the same time.

COMPROMISE?!?!

- Des

[Nautilius]

And also, could I ask you which part of TA's refutation was the best part so I can refute it harder?

TA's refutation had fairly little to do with my read.

Also, close to LyLo, I believe it's best to lynch the guy that everyone calls not-town and is on their scum lists but not the person they're voting for.

I think they're both scum, so lynching either of them seems optimal.
If TA's refutation didn't convince you, run me through one more time why you think TA is town.

[Nautilius]

It seems very very remarkable that Messiah, TA, and Titus decided that it was to compromise all around the same time.

COMPROMISE?!?!

- Des

Switch votes.

[Messiah Complex]

1) they didn't have a chance to comment because we lynched quadz.i ask you again why it makes them scum.

I'm done. Borden said we shouldn't put off the Quadz/SD 1v1 on p150 and Quadz got lynched on p158. That was four days where marble posted nothing and all Empire managed to produce was...three town cases on Ben, AGar, and you.

- Des