Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Lost Butterfly]

Lost Butterfly, what do you think about our two top wagons?

Not to set ProHawk off again, but of the two, I'm more inclined to vote eagle than Harakiri (I'm a lot more paranoid of Harakiri today than yesterday, both because I'm afraid I'm stupid for giving them the benefit of the doubt re: their lack of submission last night and because a few things they said earlier in the QT pinged me--also don't really like how rigid their reads are--but all in all, their reaction to pressure has looked genuine and they've done some stuff this game like their use of Wage Freeze that makes me reluctant to vote them).

(BBmolla, what QT stuff of mine in particular "solidifies" your read for you, considering I haven't shared most of it? Also, is there anyone here who's interested in a paraphrase of the neighbourhood QT? Otherwise, I won't bother.)

But right now, I'm leaning elsewhere.

I want concrete proof that you haven't sent one today. If you can't provide this despite having claimed not to have sent one, then you're busted.

This is dumb. Messenger gets a 2x use.

All right. Upside down, why don't you send your second message to ProHawk today?

Hey, ProHawk. Why didn't you say anything when I asked upside down to send me a message while you were around and posting? I'd have expected you to insist he send it to someone else, particularly given your paranoid partnership theories and your reaction to my neighbourizing Harakiri. But you said nothing and just waited until after the message was sent to use it as an excuse to scumread me.

See LB, its these crazy lets use the game mechanics to clear people/scum hunt that just makes me think you are scum.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

*bashes head against a wall*

DO YOU REALIZE THAT'S ACTUALLY A

PROTOWN

THING THAT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME WOULD ALSO BE DOING IF THEY WEREN'T ALL EITHER LAZY OR COMPLETELY FUCKING INCOMPETENT?

Sure, this player claimed a role that would be useful for scum. But hey, let's not make it any more difficult for them to USE it as scum. Because hahahaha, using game mechanics to solve the game is pathetic and scummy!

Just like massclaim, which everyone agreed should happen but which never happened because no one could be assed to start it, and now it's too late! And that protown breaking strategy that everyone was supposed to follow, but which we're NOT following, because hey, let's just post a completely different plan right before deadline and then never follow up on it just to cause more confusion. And just never say one way or another whether we transferred money to the people we were supposed to, or just say we didn't bother to follow the plan (but also didn't bother to suggest an improved one), because everyone in the game will townread us for it!

[BBmolla]

(BBmolla, what QT stuff of mine in particular "solidifies" your read for you, considering I haven't shared most of it? Also, is there anyone here who's interested in a paraphrase of the neighbourhood QT? Otherwise, I won't bother.)

See: Everything you mentioned about him being wierd in the QT

[Lost Butterfly]

I hate you all. I hate this game. I hate Mafia.

Particularly since Faraday was the one who wheedled me into playing this in the first place.

Thanks

for that.

Mhork, what made you decide not to follow the plan last night? Also, can people confirm whether they followed it or didn't follow it, because there was a lot of confusion?

EBWOP: But...I don't think I really shared any of that, Molla. Did I? Most of the "weird" stuff was just that I didn't like his reaction to my claim to have won the NK, because he'd sort of went from calling me scum and rushing out to look like he was outing me before I could out him, to then calling me town when it seemed like no one would bite. But he's also said some stuff that looks quite town (e.g., his annoyance over the wagon on him, his calming down once he got to a computer). If he's scum, he's playing really well. Maybe I should paraphrase the QT--it's just tedious and a waste of time.

[Lost Butterfly]

Only way to play in the face of imminent doom.

Being a moron, you mean?

[ProHawk]

Your interpretation, not mine. And I followed the plan.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

uwop, does it not concern you that confirmed scum is on the wagon? This goes for Hara as well. I'm pretty sure it's a scum victory after my lynch. Nero is going for the win, obviously.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Argh

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Let's try that again

uwop, does it not concern you that confirmed scum is on the wagon? This goes for Hara as well. I'm pretty sure it's a scum victory after my lynch. Nero is going for the win, obviously.

We're also voting certain scum, so that's win/win!

[Lost Butterfly]

Your interpretation, not mine. And I followed the plan.

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Really

? Who did you transfer your money to? I'd thought you were adamantly against it.

[Lost Butterfly]

Let's try that again

uwop, does it not concern you that confirmed scum is on the wagon? This goes for Hara as well. I'm pretty sure it's a scum victory after my lynch. Nero is going for the win, obviously.

We're also voting certain scum, so that's win/win!

What exactly makes you so confident on eagle-scum?

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

People I am wiling to lynch: Upside Down, Harakiri, Lord Butterfly.

How can I say this without sounding omgusy? Shut the fuck up, you crazy conspiracy theorist.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Baldeagle please answer my queation.

Was getting to it, but got interrupted.

I don't understand the question, because the game has the similar tone he has here. I learned that Voided tends to be a bit more "angry" when town.

Which question of mine are you answering here? Not the one I fucking asked you.

How is your meta read chang on voided any different than what you are calling quilford and molla out for? O

Because I actually have reasons for calling Voided town. You guys were like "he's town lolz". Literally at the same time.

That's... the exact opposite of what happened?

[ProHawk]

People I am wiling to lynch: Upside Down, Harakiri, Lord Butterfly.

How can I say this without sounding omgusy? Shut the fuck up, you crazy conspiracy theorist.

Why would you care about sounding omgusy?

Also, I figured what the heck, I haven't won anything this game, probably wont so I figured I would give my money to the person I felt most likely to be town.

[ProHawk]

Didn't work out so well.... again. Hence my utter frustration at this game.

[1baldeagle1]

Baldeagle please answer my queation.

Was getting to it, but got interrupted.

I don't understand the question, because the game has the similar tone he has here. I learned that Voided tends to be a bit more "angry" when town.

Which question of mine are you answering here? Not the one I fucking asked you.

How is your meta read chang on voided any different than what you are calling quilford and molla out for? O

Because I actually have reasons for calling Voided town. You guys were like "he's town lolz". Literally at the same time.

That's... the exact opposite of what happened?

Oh shut the fuck up. I did explain it. 4504. To make the 2nd sentence a bit more clear, you guys said "he's town lolz" to each other.

ProHawk, please move your vote over to uwop. Mhork, if you can do that, that would be nice. He is trying to get me lynched over lies and he's doing anything he can do to discredit people.

[ProHawk]

Hows about you move over to Harakiri considering they have 3 votes and Upside has 1

[1baldeagle1]

Hows about you move over to Harakiri considering they have 3 votes and Upside has 1

I like uwop better.

[Lost Butterfly]

:goodposting:

Are you dolts seriously lynching me? Like, wtf???????

Sarcasm?

*adds one to the "Voided quote strips completely unrelated to scumhunting" tally*

You realize the only possible reason why Nero would be governed twice as town (saving him for the LYLO mislynch because today is no longer MYLO) means I'm confirmed town, right?

Uh...no? Personal problems may be screwing with my memory of the game, and the analysis about leaving him alive sounds plausible, but I don't recall there being a correlation between the governings and your conftowniness.

The "correlation" is that the only reason scum would govern the same

town

player twice is to set him up to be lynched in LYLO. If I were scum (OR if scum had a NK in reserve), today would be MYLO. They would never govern a mislynch in MYLO.

But anyway, you can feel secure in your horrible vote because Nero is obviously not town based on his reactions.

Also, that Nero's "HAHAHAHAHAHA" came before you asked this?

Fair point, I guess, but the idea of a double-govern doesn't strike me as a viable scum option.

For Nero-scum? For Nero-town? For both? Where are you heading with this? The most obvious reason he would is because he's

scum

, and therefore, scum don't want him lynched. Or are you arguing that town governed Nero?

"Really, you called Espeonage confirmed town in a throwaway comment expressing voter's remorse? Well, you're wrong! He wasn't confirmed town at all, and you should have thought he was only SOLID town at earlier on."

Voter's remorse at how you should've seen the signs that he's town is one thing, but acting like he should've been conftown at that point after you already know he's town due to his flip is another. What does griping at me in regards to your incorrect usage of read strength accomplish for you?

Helping my read of you, mostly, because your line of questioning is pointless and this is a stupid, nitpicky argument, so I'm curious to why you've been continuing it.

I'd understand if you suspected me for 180-ing on a townread, despite the fact that I'm pretty obviously town at this point and none of my play makes any sense whatsoever for scum unless I'm deliberately trying to make the game harder for myself as a challenge, but for overstating how town I'd found the player who I'd voted (for which the scum motivation is...um...making my turnaround look worse)?

Well, apologies that my hyperbole sensor is haywire, but...Did I say that was why I voted you?

It's the only reason you'd so much as hinted at?

As you know, LB, I advertised in Market Analyst the night before. Then I saw Mhork(I think?) Do well with his cast a wide net strategy the night before and tried to do the same thing.

It clearly didn't work. I went for Messenger and Wage Freeze specifically because they were useful and in Messenger's case I initially intended to 'go along' with the plan but tell Morph or Pyrotechnics or someone I trusted that I wasn't secretly. Instead we did the claiming thing and I kinda said fuck it.

This feels like a cop-out.

Um...actually...I'd found that explanation quite believable.

See LB, its these crazy lets use the game mechanics to clear people/scum hunt that just makes me think you are scum.

...Logic, plz?

Because I actually have reasons for calling Voided town. You guys were like "he's town lolz". Literally at the same time.

when was the last time UD called me town in the past 3 days? Even if you're talking about something prior to D2-3, why're you asking UD a question like this?

Firstly, he's talking about UD and BBmolla, not UD and you. Secondly, this is something that's been bugging me about you. Why have you been talking with both sides of your mouth, both in this post and overall today? The angles you're pushing today don't seem consistent with each other. Nero is scum, but here are these statements expressing doubt, LB is town, but here are these leading questions to them, Harakiri is town but here are these other leading questions to them, LB is

scum

but here are these leading questions to people like ProHawk who suspect them. I understand casting a wide net, but it feels as though you're looking for stuff you can quote and give a pithy response to rather than actually scumhunting.

[Magua]

Vote Count 6.16

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

1baldeagle1 (3): Harakiri, Nero Cain, uʍop ǝpısdn
Harakiri (2): ProHawk, penguin_alien
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): 1baldeagle1
Lost Butterfly (1): VoidedMafia
penguin_alien (1): Lord Mhork

Not Voting (4): Lost Butterfly, zMuffinMan, BBmolla, Garuda

Deadline for Day 6 is Friday, December 27th, at 5:00am EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-12-27 05:00:00)

Prodded Nero Cain.

[Lost Butterfly]

VOTE: Voidedmafia

[Harakiri]

K I'm here.

Mhork: Sakura and I'd rather lynch Garuda if we -have- to settle, but I intend to see this eagle lynch through to the end. I caught him once before, and his and Nero's intervention speaks to me of a ploy to discredit the wagon.

Muffin: I need you bro.

Prohawk: I've decided to mostly pity and ignore you until the game is over, k?

Voided: I know you're getting comfortable in your ignored townread, but please don't make me think you're scum by flipflopping so much.

Nacho: What's up, brotha?

[Lost Butterfly]

Garuda, why have you been so passive today?

[Voidedmafia]

Because I literally cannot care any less and no one seems too eager to snuff out Hara. In fact we could just have LB shoot him. That could work.

LB wouldn't and won't shoot Hara, and I agree.

holy frijole are eagle and prohawk ever giving me the williesI am very confident baldeagle is scum.

I'm in agreement re ProHawk, less so on Eagle. I see how you would be concerned, but I don't see a complete bereftness of town feeling.

So, you guys don't give a fuck whether confirmed scum is on my wagon and that he is barely pushing it? Yeah, uwop is scum and I feel less happy about Hara.

On the one hand, this is stupid. On the other, is this stupid in a scum way? I'm not sure.

I don't think it's scum-stupid. Sounds too frustrated about the described predicament.

Only way to play in the face of imminent doom.

Your interpretation, not mine. And I followed the plan.

Your way of playing right now isn't doing any better than mine, yknow that, right?

Unvote

*adds one to the "Voided quote strips completely unrelated to scumhunting" tally*

Pardon me if I didn't catch the drippingly obvious sarcasm. <_<.

The "correlation" is that the only reason scum would govern the same town player twice is to set him up to be lynched in LYLO. If I were scum (OR if scum had a NK in reserve), today would be MYLO. They would never govern a mislynch in MYLO.

Okay, that makes sense.

For Nero-scum? For Nero-town? For both? Where are you heading with this? The most obvious reason he would is because he's scum, and therefore, scum don't want him lynched. Or are you arguing that town governed Nero?

Just in general, really. The same kind of argument that was presented yesterday still applies, only it's riskier for scum now because of how much room the back-to-back lynches would give us after bringing it so close.

But really, Governing him once, as what happened yesterday, makes sense; governing him

twice

just makes me so damn confused about why that the more likely thing to me is Nero-town being defended from behind the scenes.

Firstly, he's talking about UD and BBmolla, not UD and you.

Then what the hell does Eagle's new townread on me have to do with anything in this particular debate because IIRC that's what this whole thing started with?! Unless the 2nd sentence is supposed to be a completely different subject matter, I fail to see why it's NOT about me.

Nero is scum, but here are these statements expressing doubt,

As I said, the double-govern has thrown me in that regard.

Harakiri is town but here are these other leading questions to them,

I believe I mentioned how I refuse to lynch Harakiri today because regardless of Nero's alignment (and the confusion therein) the govern certainly felt like it was leading to a Harakiri lynch.

, LB is scum but here are these leading questions to people like ProHawk who suspect them.

Even though I had a brief fit of paranoia over you (to which your outburst at ProHawk was the exact kind of reaction to squash that), that doesn't mean I'm not going to call ridiculous avenues of attack for what they are. ProHawk's reasoning for calling you scum as of late is just retarded and stupid, pure and simple.

Vote: Baldeagle

I hereby refuse to vote LB or Harakiri today (and LB for however much of this game that remains--freely rescind any townreads on me if I do so without good reason). I most likely will not vote muffin or Garuda or Mhork (especially muffin), and while the Baldeagle lynch is fine, I think I'd prefer ProHawk over Bald.

[ProHawk]

Voided, without making an annoying wall of one-liner quote with commentary, tell me from what changed your read of LB from scum to refusal to vote in about 100 posts.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

That greyhound bus said it had Wi-Fi. That was a lie.