Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Nachomamma8]

Tammy, why do you think pitoli is town?

[pitoli]

I did not claim anything.
But I believe both Kaze and Minami right now.

Yeah this game is getting crowded.

[Tammy]

I did not claim anything.
But I believe both Kaze and Minami right now.

Yeah this game is getting crowded.

Okay, but why are you all of a sudden town reading Nacho then?

[Tammy]

Tammy, why do you think pitoli is town?

I don't. Not really sure though. I need to do some resetting as I was pretty convinced that Rufflig was scum. I'm just worried about you right now and would prefer to sort you out first.

[Nachomamma8]

I did not claim anything.
But I believe both Kaze and Minami right now.

Yeah this game is getting crowded.

Okay, but why are you all of a sudden town reading Nacho then?

(because she's scum and doesn't want to dance with Nacho who is being more aggressive than he was yesterday)

[ProHawk]

Rufflig, you completely skirted my case on you, Nacho, and Minami and THEN you say crap like this...

I can't make a case on Nacho that does not depend on a flip that we do not have. In general, I do not make relational cases without flips.

Guess what? We have flips. Two in fact, and they shed quite a bit of light on the happenings of D1.

If you want me to be suspicious of Nacho then present something to be suspicious of.

I HAVE!

How do you expect me to think you are town when you do no townie things?

[Nachomamma8]

I mean, the cop innocent should make you lean town on him at least.

[ProHawk]

Now convince me why she is in your town block.
My current town block is:
You, Orc, Kaze, Rufflig, Mac, Fuzzy, Tammy

Which leaves something like:
Hawkie
Myko
Pitoli

And

I sort of doubt myko scum thanks to Mara replace out,

so I guess I'd downgrade Kaze and fuzzy a notch if I was being extra careful.

Lets see... Hawkie, Myko, AND Pitoli all were not on Hawkie-Town's flash wagon. Nor were they apart of a TOWNIE-MIS-LYNCH.

What you are really saying here is every single one of your town-bloc helped lynch town, not only that but a quick-deadline-EASY-lynch.

Nope. Nope. and Nope. And I know the town you wouldn't believe it either.

VOTE: Nacho

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I dont think Kaze/ Orcina are Masons, They seem more like lovers. I don't think Deacon role is important since he is dead and whatever his PR was is sadly useless to us.

@ The Original
Is your relationship with Kaze one sided or are both of you interconnected.This to say you have a role related to Kaze ? I know your role (name)...

[The Rufflig]

Rufflig, you completely skirted my case on you, Nacho, and Minami and THEN you say crap like this...

I can't make a case on Nacho that does not depend on a flip that we do not have. In general, I do not make relational cases without flips.

Your initial case on Nacho stems back to post 251 where Nacho trashed a bit under half the players. My take on that is Nacho was trying to shake out a few reads. Your most recent case on Nacho relies on a relational tell. "Why did Nacho choose SSK over Rufflig?" You could also argue "Why did Nacho choose MafiaSSK over Mina?" Or "Why did Nacho choose MafiaSSK over Rufflig or Mina?" The argument just doesn't hold up, imo.

As for the rest of the case on him, you pointed out that there were 5 players in common on both your flash wagon and MafiaSSK's wagon. While this makes me want to look at these players closer, it doesn't make me want to lynch any of them by itself.

Guess what? We have flips. Two in fact, and they shed quite a bit of light on the happenings of D1.

I use scum flips for relational cases not town ones.

[ProHawk]

HE WAS SCUM READING YOU FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME

[Nachomamma8]

HE WAS SCUM READING YOU FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME

It was fairly clear that the scumread on him wasn't massively strong and not one that I had a whole lot of faith in. Why did you think that I would choose the SSK wagon over the Rufflig wagon if both were town?

[Tammy]

I feel like the scum in this game have decided to fake innocents on each other and just not kill the two quasi-mason pairs so they can hide behind that and laugh all the way to end game.

Basically I just really don't see how Rufflig/Minaho are both town.

[ProHawk]

HE WAS SCUM READING YOU FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME

It was fairly clear that the scumread on him wasn't massively strong and not one that I had a whole lot of faith in. Why did you think that I would choose the SSK wagon over the Rufflig wagon if both were town?

Thats a good question Nacho, Why did you choose SSK over Rufflig? Why did you even choose SSK in the first place?

I don't think Rufflig is town.
I don't think you are town.
I don't think Minami is town.

[ProHawk]

But in all reality, if they both end up being town, SSK was the easier lynch. Ironic considering you called me scum for going for an easy lynch.

[ProHawk]

While this makes me want to look at these players closer, it doesn't make me want to lynch any of them by itself.

How about you do this then and then get back to me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I dont think Kaze/ Orcina are Masons, They seem more like lovers. I don't think Deacon role is important since he is dead and whatever his PR was is sadly useless to us.

@ The Original
Is your relationship with Kaze one sided or are both of you interconnected.This to say you have a role related to Kaze ? I know your role (name)...

I didn't want to post today because xmas and all but this is the most holy shit useless post I have ever come across in all my years of mafia.

Also you should tell me how you know my rolename and what it is.

VOTE: fuzzy in the meantme

[Nachomamma8]

I feel like the scum in this game have decided to fake innocents on each other and just not kill the two quasi-mason pairs so they can hide behind that and laugh all the way to end game.

Basically I just really don't see how Rufflig/Minaho are both town.

But what if they are? What then?

[Nachomamma8]

HE WAS SCUM READING YOU FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME

It was fairly clear that the scumread on him wasn't massively strong and not one that I had a whole lot of faith in. Why did you think that I would choose the SSK wagon over the Rufflig wagon if both were town?

Thats a good question Nacho, Why did you choose SSK over Rufflig? Why did you even choose SSK in the first place?

I don't think Rufflig is town.
I don't think you are town.
I don't think Minami is town.

I chose SSK over Rufflig because I had a gut feeling on Rufflig and SSK wasn't going to be doing much. I explained this in bits and pieces yesterday.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I feel like the scum in this game have decided to fake innocents on each other

and just not kill the two quasi-mason pairs so they can hide behind that and laugh all the way to end game.

Basically I just really don't see how Rufflig/Minaho are both town.

unfortunately they cannot do this

[Nachomamma8]

But in all reality, if they both end up being town, SSK was the easier lynch. Ironic considering you called me scum for going for an easy lynch.

Why would I go for the easier lynch when I postured so nicely and so completely against Rufflig? I accused you for going for an easy lynch since you normally don't bother with lynchbait for the first couple of days and instead look to pick on stronger players, but that's not what you did in this game.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Scum don't pause when they mislynch…they rejoice.

I'l be back in a day or two after I've mourned the loss of SSK.

huehuehue

But in all reality, if they both end up being town, SSK was the easier lynch. Ironic considering you called me scum for going for an easy lynch.

Why would I go for the easier lynch when I postured so nicely and so completely against Rufflig? I accused you for going for an easy lynch since you normally don't bother with lynchbait for the first couple of days and instead look to pick on stronger players, but that's not what you did in this game.

i would just like to remind you that that does not make you town

[Nachomamma8]

It doesn't, but Prohawks attack on me not having a clear thought process on ending up on SSK instead of Rufflig doesn't make me scum if they were both town.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also if the cop wants to investigate me I am fine with that. I welcome it.

pitoli, what do you think?

this is worth bringing up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually pitoli are you here right now