Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Nachomamma8]

Why do you have a strong townread on Prohawk?

[Nachomamma8]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Minami no Hana (2):mykonian, ProHawk(L-5)
The Rufflig (2):MafiaSSK, Tammy (L-5)
Nachomamma8 (1): pitoli, (L-6)

MafiaSSK (7): orcinus_theoriginal, TheFuzzylogic99, Mac, Nachomamma8, The Rufflig, Minami no Hana, Kazekirimaru (LYNCH)

Not Voting (1): Deacon Blues

Upon review, we're extending the deadline by 24 hours to account for site downtime the past few days.

Absolute deadline falls on Wednesday, December 18th, at 4PM GMT -7.

This is in (expired on 2013-12-19 16:00:00)

Since a lynch has been reached, the remaining 42 hours as of the hammer post have been added to Day 2's deadline.

First of all, there was scum on the MafiaSSK wagon. This is a bit of a crazy spoiler alert, but I think it might be Kaze. It doesn't make any fucking sense for there to be a player that confirms you, a role that pretty much confirms itself as town ANYWAYS, and the "I get my alignment confirmed" claim gives motive to Kaze claiming as early as he did.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Minami no Hana (2):mykonian, ProHawk(L-5)
The Rufflig (2):MafiaSSK, Tammy (L-5)
Nachomamma8 (1): pitoli, (L-6)

MafiaSSK (7): orcinus_theoriginal, TheFuzzylogic99, Mac, Nachomamma8, The Rufflig, Minami no Hana, Kazekirimaru (LYNCH)

Not Voting (1): Deacon Blues

Upon review, we're extending the deadline by 24 hours to account for site downtime the past few days.

Absolute deadline falls on Wednesday, December 18th, at 4PM GMT -7.

This is in (expired on 2013-12-19 16:00:00)

Since a lynch has been reached, the remaining 42 hours as of the hammer post have been added to Day 2's deadline.

First of all, there was scum on the MafiaSSK wagon. This is a bit of a crazy spoiler alert, but I think it might be Kaze. It doesn't make any fucking sense for there to be a player that confirms you, a role that pretty much confirms itself as town ANYWAYS, and the "I get my alignment confirmed" claim gives motive to Kaze claiming as early as he did.

varsoon factor

[Nachomamma8]

I also might be coming around to the possibility of myko being scum. Mara explosion was about her interaction with Rufflig and her not being shitty as scum, which I doubt would be an explosion if Rufflig and her were buddies (and holy shit, all of the sudden they aren't). I have been reading myko posts with Mara being town already being in my mind, so I might be biased there and can't really read myko on the forums worth a shit anyways. If Kaze is scum, I doubt Prohawk would point out the possibility of him being scum and I basically doubt a lot of the pushes he's made this game.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why do you have a strong townread on Prohawk?

I get this overwhelming sense of transparency in his posting and a sense that he's actually trying to figure shit out

[Nachomamma8]

What do you mean by Varsoon factor?

[Nachomamma8]

do not!!

I also don't understand why I was so scummy yesterday and now I'm town enough to be in your top townreads :/

[Nachomamma8]

What the hell is a Necromancer??? I would be confident in breaking the game open if only I knew what the hell a Necromancer was.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What do you mean by Varsoon factor?

i read that post wrong sorry i read "it makes no sense for kaze to claim the way he did"

ummm

is he scum claim aside?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't know, I'm going to look into that now.

I think that if anyone has anything to do with with the Anises beloved thing, they should claim now. I thought that it was from fferybork role (see baby I didn't forget you, I'll be with you soon) and it determined if the person was the same alignment as a dead player, so limited ability to crumb after death. That would make for limited crumbling after death, and would explain why the role went unexplained.

[pitoli]

do not!!

I also don't understand why I was so scummy yesterday and now I'm town enough to be in your top townreads :/

You seem more aggressive/willing to rock the boat today, which is more consistent with the idea I have of you.

What can I say, I've seen the light

[Nachomamma8]

He could be scum, but there's nothing particularly damning in his ISO quite yet: only weird thing is myko-Kaze interactions which have them cross tunneling for a little while, then Kaze has his lynch pool as me+two of his scumbuddies at one point, then later his two scumbuddies drop out of his scumlist and he has two new consensus reads to replace them.

[Nachomamma8]

I would also like SakuraGiF to full claim because then it might clear things up a bit.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would also like SakuraGiF to full claim because then it might clear things up a bit.

Not yet please.

He could be scum, but there's nothing particularly damning in his ISO quite yet: only weird thing is myko-Kaze interactions which have them cross tunneling for a little while, then Kaze has his lynch pool as me+two of his scumbuddies at one point, then later his two scumbuddies drop out of his scumlist and he has two new consensus reads to replace them.

I was actually just reading over that and was thinking to myself "hmmm is this myko/nacho trying to find someone to go after because really and truly with all these claims they do need a target"

[Nachomamma8]

My paranoid om Sakura-GiF is probably shittier than my paranoia on Kaze, so I suppose full claiming isn't a big deal.

[Nachomamma8]

I would also like SakuraGiF to full claim because then it might clear things up a bit.

Not yet please.

He could be scum, but there's nothing particularly damning in his ISO quite yet: only weird thing is myko-Kaze interactions which have them cross tunneling for a little while, then Kaze has his lynch pool as me+two of his scumbuddies at one point, then later his two scumbuddies drop out of his scumlist and he has two new consensus reads to replace them.

I was actually just reading over that and was thinking to myself "hmmm is this myko/nacho trying to find someone to go after because really and truly with all these claims they do need a target"

I would be in a pretty horrible position if scum, yeah. What do you think of my point that it makes no sense to confirm a day vig as town?

[Nachomamma8]

PITOLI
who do you think is scum?

[Nachomamma8]

Fuzzylogic is town.

Right, Fuzzylogic? You got yourself a nice blue townie PM, right?

Reaction test seemed pretty decent, slight townread on it.

[Nachomamma8]

Also orcinus if you don't post I'm going to spam the fuck out of this thread and not even feel a tiny bit guilty about it

[Nachomamma8]

No fair

I hate you all.

Kaze, Orci, town

Tammy-town?

VOTE: Fuzzy

FOS: Decon Blue

Hi, Ffery who's you're partner?

Am I stupid to be paranoid of Mara calling Kaze and Orci her first confident townreads? Probably.

[Nachomamma8]

You're town

fferybork leans scum kinda maybe

Mac leans scum

I'm inclined to read Mara as town for reading people in a similar fashion

Early townread on Mara for no actual reason.

[Nachomamma8]

I suppose I just plain disagree.

It seems blatantly obvious to me that all of fuzzy's posts have been made with the express purpose of defending himself and not estranging any potential allies in the process. I think he's scum. And I'm starting to think I'm looking at scumffery, as well. I've seen you spin meta to make it look how you want- you did it to my posts in Newbie 1436 when we were scum. It's very solid-looking on the surface, but it all falls apart when you realize how much of it is subjective opinion and how it doesn't make sense when the individual posts are taken in context of their respective situations. I'm getting that same feeling here.

Comparing his past Scum meta to this game and giving him a pass for not being hedgy or calculated when he hasn't even taken stances(or lack of stances) on anyone yet just feels off. You're making comparisons where they're not applicable.

Tunneling the hell out of fuzzy is no big deal, but paranoia on ffery seems to be a pretty odd position for scumKaze to take.

[Nachomamma8]

it's late and my brain is not working. The reason I don't feel great about comparing the two things:

ffery's answering for fuzzylogic serves to protect fuzzylogic
kaze's answering for orci (that didn't even friggin happen) serves to protect himself

Anyways to answer your original question, early on I liked Ffery's thoughts on why the "blue" test was bad because I had the exact same thoughts. Same thoughts as me = same alignment as me? Good enough for me right now. but who knows, her other head could come here and bork things up (sorry not sorry.)

I was going to call Kaze scum before since I had a bad knee-jerk reaction to his test, but I think I'm kind of cooling on that idea and I'm hoping he shows signs of listening to reason soon.

okay really sleep now.

I don't understand why pitoli wouldn't just vote Kaze if she didn't like his test and found it scummy. I guess she probably has a passive meta that I'm forgetting about, but too lazy and tired and delirious to look that up now.

[Nachomamma8]

Will note that Kaze trajectory on Fuzzy is kind of screwed up; he started out tunneling him and convinced he was scum, attacked ffery a bit, then was like "well ok you're probably right" and then went to voting randomly for a little while.

[Nachomamma8]

why?

Kaze please talk to me about Orci - you've been hard defending him all game for reasons that aren't clear to me and I want to know what you're seeing.

Because I'm

Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear

,

Town-Aligned Stalker

. I have quite the thing for Orc's role, apparently, and as such I've stalked him and know his rolename(which I shan't reveal) and alignment. Orc doesn't know this, though, as far as my role indicates.

Oh, and if Orc gets lynched I get mod-confirmed for some reason.

Kay?

Out came the moment someone asked him about it, which is a bit odd considering his play as Conditional ICizer in AA. I wouldn't think he would be happy to out an innocent so early as town. And I still don't see why there would be a town role that clears a town day vig; it's essentially useless. I could see a scum role that has him tied to a town PR, though.