Yet Another Dance of the Title Fairy: Change Up

[RichardGHP]

Well, the user it belongs to has not posted on the site in over two years. I don't think they would mind.

[xRECKONERx]

Well, the user it belongs to has not posted on the site in over two years. I don't think they would mind.

Except DemonHybrid is Matias, and we're not giving someone the same title as a legend like Phoebus?

Furthermore, are we seriously discussing

rewarding breaking site rules

with a title? We shouldn't be handing out titles, the admins should be handing out a ban.

[TheButtonmen]

Overall I don't think a nomination being similiar to an existing title disqualifies it and I don't generally agree with the rewarding bad behaviour argument against titles. However given that the extreme similarity to an existing title does somewhat weaken the nomination and we are discussing violations of site rules rather then posting or playing styles I'm not exactly awed by the nomination.

[Oversoul]

MafiaSSK >

Lurkerscum

A play on mafiascum and his purposeful play style as a lurker. MafiaSSK epitomizes lurkiness.

[Natirasha]

That's kinda weak.

[Katsuki]

MafiaSSK >

Lurkerscum

A play on mafiascum and his purposeful play style as a lurker. MafiaSSK epitomizes lurkiness.

Considering how many games you've played with me before...

[saulres]

There are

far

too many lurkers on this site to give one a title.

And we don't want to reward lurking behavior anyway, do we?

[Oversoul]

There are

far

too many lurkers on this site to give one a title.

And we don't want to reward lurking behavior anyway, do we?

That "rule" went out the window the moment Varsoon got his title, so...

There are lurkers out there but none that make it their defining characteristic. On purpose. As both alignments.

We could go MoI gimmick with "has been prodded". Alternatives can be "I promise I'll play", "under the radar", etc.

I mean, when I think of MafiaSSK I think lurker. When I think of Katsuki I think... cupcakes?

[Oversoul]

And if people are serious about giving Tamuz a title it could be something like "Oh, Chomsky" (insert other logician, linguist person). Tongue in cheek but really gets the point across about his persona.

That's what I think when I see his posts.

[DeathRowKitty]

You're suggesting a title that encourages MafiaSSK to lurk in order to live up to his reputation. Don't use titles to recognize bad behavior. The fact that it's been done before (I don't know the context behind Varsoon's title, so I'm just taking your word for it) doesn't make it better.

Also, a ton of players lurk a lot and it's not at all special that he does.

[MafiaSSK]

I've sort of been in an invitational for my lurking. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
And it's who I am, it's my playstyle. I'm glad its being recognized by the site again.
I'd gladly accept a title for my lurking were anyone to agree with it.

[quadz08]

nope nope nope

[quadz08]

even beyond the "bad behavior" thing, it's a

really lame title

[Oversoul]

You're suggesting a title that encourages MafiaSSK to lurk in order to live up to his reputation. Don't use titles to recognize bad behavior. The fact that it's been done before (I don't know the context behind Varsoon's title, so I'm just taking your word for it) doesn't make it better.

Also, a ton of players lurk a lot and it's not at all special that he does.

The title I am suggesting does not require MafiaSSK to lurk in order to live up to his reputation. MafiaSSK will continue to lurk regardless of his title, I can pretty much guarantee that.

From his GTKAS:

Just how do you refine lurking into such an artform?

There are always prodding deadlines in every ruleset. No one ever uses them to their full advantage. I do. Simple as that.

At the risk of making this a personal attack on Varsoon, I am just going to point you to Nacho's nomination. I'd like to point out Nacho's other preference was Scatlord and the obvious connotations of scat...

My own personal experience with Varsoon was this game.

And since when is lurking bad behavior? It is not more destructive than fakeclaims, random hammers, replacing out all the time, or just generally abusive playstyle.

[quadz08]

You are right it is similarly destructive to those other bad behaviors you mentioned. Just because it's not

bannable

doesn't make it something we should encourage.

[Oversoul]

Lurking is less destructive than those I mentioned. Lurking is a viable strategy as a player, I don't see why it is bad behavior at all.
I guess my main point is that one person lurking does not make a game unplayable. One person (slot in terms of the replacement) doing the other behaviors I mentioned easily does make the game unplayable.

[DeathRowKitty]

Oversoul, I think the reason you think MafiaSSK should get a title for his lurking is because you are mistaking "title" with "policy lynch." In fact, if we're looking to give him a title for his lurking, we should make it something useful:

Nominate MafiaSSK for I intentionally lurk every game and I am proud of it. Please policy lynch me day 1 until I change this behavior.

That would be a great title for him, assuming players in his games are willing to take it seriously.

But no, really, your insistence that lurking is a good basis for a title is mindboggling.

Lurking is a viable strategy as a player, I don't see why it is bad behavior at all.
I guess my main point is that one person lurking does not make a game unplayable.

I really hope you're not serious.

[Oversoul]

Oversoul, I think the reason you think MafiaSSK should get a title for his lurking is because you are mistaking "title" with "policy lynch." In fact, if we're looking to give him a title for his lurking, we should make it something useful:

Nominate MafiaSSK for I intentionally lurk every game and I am proud of it. Please policy lynch me day 1 until I change this behavior.

That would be a great title for him, assuming players in his games are willing to take it seriously.

But no, really, your insistence that lurking is a good basis for a title is mindboggling.

Lurking is a viable strategy as a player, I don't see why it is bad behavior at all.
I guess my main point is that one person lurking does not make a game unplayable.

I really hope you're not serious.

Erm?

A title should subtly or not-so-subtly reference an amusing incident, playstyle or characteristic that the entire community can understand.

I'm suggesting a title based on his playstyle and his characteristics. A lurking title is a good title for MafiaSSK. I've suggested alternates but I guess this one isn't going to fly.

And I am serious. Do you think I am trolling? Well, maybe a little but I do think this title fits every aspect it should.
What does one lurker in a game do to the game? Someone investigates him? Someone shoots him? Like a normal part of the game?
What does someone being brutal and mean to do the game? Changes the atmosphere of the game, makes it generally undesirable to play.
What does someone fakeclaiming a guilty do to the game? Possibly outs other PRs, gets a townperson killed, gets themselves killed, etc.
What does someone just hammering others do to the game? Again, possibly gets a townperson killed and basically guarantees their lynch for the next day.
What does replacing out all the time do? Makes the slot and the game slower and changes the atmosphere.

I can think of many recent games that all have had characteristics like this in it that caused more problems than someone lurking.

Lurking is a viable scum strategy and thus a viable town strategy. You can say purposefully making your town and scum games match is not in the spirit of the game, but that is tough to sell. I don't see why everyone abhors a title based on it. MafiaSSK has already endorsed he would not mind a title based on it and so does not find it offensive or any of its consequences (policy lynch).

But, my litmus test says this isn't going to be productive any further.

[DeathRowKitty]

I'm suggesting a title based on a negative characteristic of MafiaSSK's playstyle that applies to a lot of players on site.

And I am serious. Do you think I am trolling?
What does one lurker in a game do to the game? Someone investigates him? Someone shoots him? Like a normal part of the game?
What do two lurkers do to the game? You policy lynch one and investigate the other? Someone shoots one of them? Like a normal part of the game?
What do six lurkers do to the game? The entire town grows apathetic when half the playerlist ceases to do anything of use? No one has fun? Like a normal part of the game?
What do ten lurkers do to the game? Well...never mind I guess there isn't much of a game anymore when you have everyone lurking... (Like a normal part of the game?)

I can think of many recent games in which the presence of a lurker improved my experience.

Lurking is harmful as town and thus a viable town strategy. You can say purposefully making your town and scum games match is against playing to your win condition and you would be correct if you did say so. I really hope no one does that because it ruins games and should not be rewarded with a title. I can't imagine why people are so against this. MafiaSSK plays in an intentionally anti-win con manner and is proud of it and that sounds to me like it's exactly what a title is about. Let's give it to him~

There, I fixed your post for you.

[Oversoul]

I don't use tildes.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm suggesting a title based on a negative characteristic of MafiaSSK's playstyle that applies to a lot of players on site.

And I am serious. Do you think I am trolling?
What does one lurker in a game do to the game? Someone investigates him? Someone shoots him? Like a normal part of the game?
What do two lurkers do to the game? You policy lynch one and investigate the other? Someone shoots one of them? Like a normal part of the game?
What do six lurkers do to the game? The entire town grows apathetic when half the playerlist ceases to do anything of use? No one has fun? Like a normal part of the game?
What do ten lurkers do to the game? Well...never mind I guess there isn't much of a game anymore when you have everyone lurking... (Like a normal part of the game?)

I can think of many recent games in which the presence of a lurker improved my experience.

Lurking is harmful as town and thus a viable town strategy. You can say purposefully making your town and scum games match is against playing to your win condition and you would be correct if you did say so. I really hope no one does that because it ruins games and should not be rewarded with a title. I can't imagine why people are so against this. MafiaSSK plays in an intentionally anti-win con manner and is proud of it and that sounds to me like it's exactly what a title is about. Let's give it to him~

There, I fixed your post for you.

Are you seriously that stuck in site meta?
Lurking is a legitimate strategy and if you can't see how it is, then you're not as good of a mafia player as I thought you were.

[DeathRowKitty]

Do I see how it can occasionally be a legitimate strategy? Sure.
Do I see how it can be a good strategy as a playstyle thing? No.

Go sleep.

[saulres]

Lurking is a legitimate strategy but it's no fun to play with people who do it

FTFY.

[quadz08]

i agree with saulres

[Bert]

i agree with quadz