Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[aptil]

I was gonna do a quick catch-up.

But most of this game since I left has been V/LA's and aptil doing a very good job convincing me that BBmolla's play isn't very scummy.

Anyway, I have a question.

Cheery: So you pretty much always believe that wanting to vote on a wagon means wanting a lynch? If not, could you provide a scenario or two?

please tell me where i am wrong , instead of ridiculing me .

[anorway]

Deadline: (expired on 2014-01-02 16:00:00)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.8

[L-7] DoctorPepper
[L-7] Kalimar
[L-7] Mr_Blonde
[L-7] Zebe
[L-7] Smudger
[L-7] EspeciallyTheLies
[L-7] gamsimbre
[L-7] aptil
[L-6]

Lucky2u

: gamsimbre
[L-6]

Wake88

: Kalimar
[L-6]

BBmolla

aptil

[L-3]

Cheery Dog

: EspeciallyTheLies, Mr_Blonde, Does Bo Know, BBmolla
[L-3]

Does Bo Know

: Cheery Dog, Wake88, Zebe, Lucky2u

Not voting (2): DoctorPepper, Smudger

[Does Bo Know]

Nah.

Well

Sure

If it makes you happy.

- He might be targeting lurkers because he thinks everyone else that's active is town. Didn't you just call people town and scum without reasons? So what's wrong with BB calling half the player list town if scum could all be in the other half?
- He might not be scumhunting. Or maybe he is, which is why he's calling half the player list town?

I think, if you think someone isn't scumhunting, you should ask them questions about conclusions and stuff, because they might've been scumhunting the whole time, just not posting so (see my beef with Wake).

Why have you put Cheery in the scum pile?

[anorway]

Cheery Dog, Lucky2u & Mr_Blonde has been prodded.

Searching for replacement for gamsimbre.

[Lucky2u]

Prod dodge! Who we hanging?

[Does Bo Know]

Six days left

Probably me or Cheery. I really can't see another wagon popping up at this point.

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery: So you pretty much always believe that wanting to vote on a wagon means wanting a lynch? If not, could you provide a scenario or two?

Any vote (including pressure, but not rvs) to me means you would be happy to have that person lynched.

If you're encouraging others to join even more so - being now rather than doughty later in the day.

[Does Bo Know]

^^The fact that Cheery treats all votes (non-RVS) as intents to lynch people makes me wonder whether he's scum for trying to tell others I wanted to lynch Gam, or if he's town and seems scummy because of his beliefs with votes.

I, for one, will make it very clear who I wanted to actually be lynched, and who I want to be wagoned only for certain or more information. And believe it or not, Cheery, a lot of people wagon without actually wanting a lynch. Even post-RVS.

I need to look at Cheery again. There was one post (I think) that doesn't quite match up to Cheery's statement of "Wagon => lynch."

[Cheery Dog]

As I said, my beliefs are pressure votes are still heading towards the lynch. (which may include future days)

This is because when people look back through the thread, or perhaps even just their thoughts, they will have/had seen the concerned person as possible scum. It may not come to anything dependent on what possibly caused an unvote, but the hint of it will still be around.

[Cheery Dog]

If it helps, I've had this style of thought in regards to a vote before ( http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29652 )
it may be worth noting I was scum in that game.

[Does Bo Know]

Okay I was thinking of 260, but the way you worded it doesn't set off any bells anymore.

Yeah I'm clueless as far as your alignment goes. Can anyone else help?

[Does Bo Know]

Zebe and Lucky: What do you two think of Cheery?

Also I do think Aptil is town. I think that his return would've been the perfect opportunity to jump on a wagon, but he didn't. I don't see scum motivation in

not

jumping on a wagon close to deadline at this point.

[Cheery Dog]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: doctor pepper

[Mr_Blonde]

/prodded

My bad guys. With all the VLAs I wasn't posting. Will catch up soon.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

why cheery not dead yet...

[Lucky2u]

why cheery not dead yet...

Town laziness it seems.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: cheery dog

Let's move this game along shall we?

[Mr_Blonde]

@ETL - Why do you think Cherry is scum? You didn't explain anything with your vote.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

.....

did you like...

read the thread at all?

because i made a pretty big post about why i'm voting cheery.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

@ETL - Why do you think Cherry is scum? You didn't explain anything with your vote.

this pretty much just tells me you didn't care to check my iso for any reasoning and are therefore just trying to throw suspicion and are not actually interested in the answer.

after cheery, you're next.

[Mr_Blonde]

So instead of re-directing me to your post you get defensive?

Noted. What's the post number?

And to answer your question: no, I didn't really read the thread up until the point when I started posting more.

[DoctorPepper]

Wake's town. Bb's town. ETL is town.
Bb is gut town. Wake's scum hunting feels genuine.I dislike his style of focusing questions on one player at a time because it first made me think he isnt participating with everyone else, but Im second guessing that. And Im using the ETL town is Angry ETL to read her. Her play here reminds me more of town ETL. No offense to ETL, but she makes more sense as scum. Sorry but the Cheery case seems a but misguided.

Btw stop reading lucky as scum for voting. He does this a lot. Its never alignment indicative. The false dichotomy is being forced when you claim someone is scum for dice voting.

Zebe is scum for avoiding anything game related like the BB gambit or simply interacting with anyone and giving an RVS during the time where rvs Was over and discussion was happening, he's avoiding commenting on these things.

Oh yeah DBK is scum too. Nice.
If you notice, a lot of what DBK is saying parrots what ETL is saying anyway. If you look at posts like 206, theyre pretty much a buddy attempt at ETL. A lot of the others is just a bunch of fake contribution made to look like he's contributing. And i hate post 237. And his Wake push is pretty bad. Like the blatant misrep of "youre excusing too many games for bad play" is both a discredit and a bad accusation. Not to mention voting for Wake for the crime of being offended. Wow. Oh yeah, 485 and 495. Scummy. As. Fuck.

Post 445 = mr blonde scum.


Hmm, Smudger's town. Lucky is town as well. Aptil is probably derp town for the bad bbmolla vote.

Lets NOT vote cheery today. If he was scum, he would've kept his vote on DBK. He voted me for no reason, as scum I think he'd go for someone who would be lynched instead of him. Lets get DBK

VOTE: DBK

[EspeciallyTheLies]

So instead of re-directing me to your post you get defensive?

correction. i got annoyed because you are putting in zero effort and asking me questions already answered. you are displaying a distinct lack of interest to scumhunt at all and that is a huge fucking scum tell.

Noted. What's the post number?

And to answer your question:

no, I didn't really read the thread up until the point when I started posting more.

I suggest you do that first.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

DP, you were a non-entity and Cheeryvoted you. What does that tell you?

[DoctorPepper]

I dont see scum motivation in that.

Is it weird, yes.
Wouldnt it be more beneficial for him as scum to continue voting for DBK? Yes