A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Magua]

So, Cephrir.

You think Alfred is town. Great, I agree!

But you think I could be scum. So walk me through this thought process vis-a-vis taking him off of L-1

[Cephrir]

Messiah was also jumping onto an Alchemist lynch D7, which makes me re-evaluate that.

Alchemist has been a seemingly inevitable lynch all game. Possibly the most obvious bus of all time. So I would think at least if it weren't for the fact that he is somehow still fucking alive. At any rate I don't put much stock in this, but maybe MC's trajectory/behavior here will point me in a different direction.

Also, Magua, if you're town you should really iso Nautilus.

[Cephrir]

So, Cephrir.

You think Alfred is town. Great, I agree!

But you think I could be scum. So walk me through this thought process vis-a-vis taking him off of L-1

A) I don't actually understand the question?
B) So you think MC and I have been powerbussing each other the entire game?

[Titus]

Magua, I made a typo. My thoughts got rushed. I do numbered bullet points.

1) There's that gambit Naut did at the end of the day yesterday.

[Cephrir]

I think Titus is town just on play and by comparison to my other game with her.

Incidentally this has a lot of basis in her continuing to push Benmage today but I still wish she would stop.

[Magua]

Reviewing the mod ISO, I do see that Messiah was happy on the SpyreX lynch, but not the Quadz one, so he was willing to bus at least once, which reduces Alchemist-town read.

I am unaware of any relationship between you and Messiah the whole game. Scanning the mod ISO, I see you vote him early on D1 and that's it, and he never votes you at all. The first isn't really relevant because loltraitor; where do you see any pressure from Messiah on yourself?

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PEdit: Titus. Er. I don't recall any gambit. Will look.

[Magua]

Oh, the "all townies got this PM, did you get it?" bit?

Yeah, I fucking ignored that.

But you bringing it up is one of the many reasons I'm sure you're town.

[Cephrir]

Ctrl-F Ceph in their iso or Messiah in mine, it's not hard

[Eddard Stark]

Day 10, Vc 1

Alfred Borden (3) -

Eddard Stark, Benmage, Shadoweh

Benmage (1) -

Titus

The Alchemist (1) -

Cephrir

Not voting (5)

: Alfred Borden, Magua, Nautilius, SafetyDance, The Alchemist

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 7thh ofJanuary 22:40 EST
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2014-01-07 22:40:00)
  
• No one is V/la

[Cephrir]

By the way, I will consider putting Alfred at L-1 a scumclaim right now because if anyone does that Alchemist will 100% sacrifice himself to get the lynch through.

[Magua]

Ctrl-F Ceph in their iso or Messiah in mine, it's not hard

So when you say "Messiah powerbussed me," what you mean by "powerbussed" is "never voted for ever"?

[Cephrir]

You didn't do it did you?

[Titus]

Magua, scum will commonly push someone as scummy without actually voting for them. The idea is they can get others to vote and jump on.

Magua and Cephir, considering all seem to think AB is a bad lynch today, why don't we focus on who the lynch should be instead?

[Shadoweh]

the lynch will beeeee
alfred
because hes scum
call me when alfred and/or safetydance and/or daddeh nautcho post

[Alfred Borden]

I neighborized Nacho and it worked. Ellibereth posted in the QT! Something interesting was revealed.
If I promised to neighborize you Shadoweh I totally forgot and am sorry.
Was my neighborize power really in any doubt anyway? How else would I have known the name Tierce submitted?
If it becomes necessary I can do a rundown of the posts in there, but it would be pretty boring for me.

[Shadoweh]

No, your neighbourize power wasn't in doubt, obviously. Why did you pick someone who was likely to got dead overnight? More interestingly, why do you supose ooba is voting for you?

##Unvote

I'm falling asleep, look forward to being revoted tomorrow at my leisure

[Benmage]

unvote vote benmage

its my brithday and i am so fuking twisted.

[Magua]

Why did you pick someone who was likely to got dead overnight?

@Alfred:

The above.

@Titus:

I've given my list.

@Benmage:

Stop being a douchecanoe.

@Cephrir:

Much like Benmage and "modconfirmed", I'm not sure you understand what powerbussing is. Distancing, on the other hand, seems a lot closer to what you've described.

(And no, I haven't ctrl-F'ed through either of your ISOs.)

[Cephrir]

(Yes, that is quite obvious)

[Nautilius]

Why are we voting the counterwagon to flipped scum?

VOTE: The Alchemist

I love you.

VOTE: The Alchemist

[Nautilius]

Alfred promised we would rock the dragon last night. That was not a thing that happened.
Maybe he should explain what he did last night and why he has a modvote instead.

We are rocking the dragon, so sucks for you!

[Nautilius]

Taking a page from Regfan:

Town (Strong to weak): Alfred, Titus, Benmage, and Alchemist

Scum (Strong to weak): Nautilus, Cephrir, SafetyDance, Shadoweh

this is horrible.
did you know on the day quadz was lynched, he claimed Macho cop who was roleblocked? And then tried to turn it into a 1v1 against SafetyDance who most likely fucked up his actions, and this was a claim that happened after SafetyDance kept messing up his claims?

did you know that Shadoweh strongman vigged Katsuki on N4 when Titus used the global redirect thing? did you know that she did so after a last minute switch and begging Garruk to change vig with her (original target was AGar, the roleblocker who scum would later kill)?

did you know that MC is an avid busser (see: SpyreX lynch) and thus you can bet your ass that there was a decent chance he bussed yesterday?

did you know that Cephrir has generally been town as fuck? (probably not, I will touch on this later!)

[Nautilius]

I swore Magua called me "meh" but I can't find it anywhere. Oh well

[Nautilius]

First 12 posts of Magua's ISO are pretty much useless, considering no actual analysis.

I still don't like how quickly you dismissed Alfred-town, and how thoroughly you dismissed it. Your case on them equated to them not doing anything for two days and how a good first three days essentially equated to nothing (and when confronted about actually looking at Empire's scumgames, you didn't because "too much work"). I know you are aware of TET and I can't imagine you being one of the Benmage types who ignore it when it comes up (and meanwhile, even BENMAGE doesn't usually ignore it, which is saying something big), so now I'm wondering why you were so quick to dismiss it even though you hadn't read much of the game at that point and you don't really have even a basic understanding of Empire's meta.

I note that your original read on me consists of me being "the biggest content producer in the game", "you want me to be town", and the biggest hesitation on your end comes from my defense of Borden. So now, although the amount of content I have produced hasn't gone down at all, and although Borden was pretty clearly the designated mislynch of yesterday and I refused to touch that and in fact protested against it for a majority of the day, I am suddenly your strongest scumread because my posts were "meh"?

Do you have an answer for why Alchemist went from 1v1ing me to "whee, Borden!"? You sure as hell didn't get it from him, so I assume you found an answer on your own. Do you really think he is town by virtue of Messiah's early vote on him even though the whole shuffling from The Alchemist to Alfred Borden was the extraordinarily sketchy thing.

(Answer to the riddle of: Why did Magua-scum finally unvote Alfred? Answer: Your entire scumteam was on the wagon flash wagoning him and the flash wagon to lynch of a 6 person wagon when 4 were scum was not something you wanted to answer to.)

[Nautilius]

And the horrible thing is that you being wrong about things isnt even the problem, it's your lack of conviction. You don't even acknowledge problems with your scumreads, the way you build up to certain scumreads doesn't even fucking make sense, and you have never defended or pushed someone with the passion that you showed in HunterXHunter or even the shitstorm that was Scummies Invitational, for that matter.

I am even having brief flashes of paranoia team wise since ooba died last night and not me (although fear of SafetyDance doctor which I swore I saw earlier could be a possibility), so am pretty impressionable and could be convinced on teams that weren't shit, but I find it incredibly unlikely that Magua actually believes what he's saying.