Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Pro
why did you motivate Tammy. Her role does not seem to have done much. This seems an odd pick since we have an claimed JOAT and a claimed gender cop.

@ Ruff
Why are you not for a Prohawk wagon if you believe he is scum
Do you think if you were lynched it would confirm NO Hana.

[ProHawk]

Why are you quick voting in what everyone assumes is LyLo?

Because there is literally no way that MinamiNoHana is town. PoE aside, they have been playing like scum and have even ADMITTED to such. I was sad you didn't want to lynch them last game day, and am doubly sad you don't see it now.

"I become confirmed town during LyLo" - The only reason this wouldn't be LyLo is if there were 2 or less scum left instead of 3 scum left, meaning we have a free mislynch, so we... lynch Minami. This is also the type of thing that would confirm Minami as scum on a three player scumteam if we decided to lynch the other two scum first,

which seems like a dumb position for Minami to put themselves in

considering A) their claim makes them MORE likely to be lynched, not less likely and B) why. Cowardly JOAT and fonic JOAT are interesting things now that pitoli flipped town; my initial reason for dismissing them was because the exchange between Minami and Pitoli looked like bullshit scum theatre, but that's starting to look less and less likely.

Hey Nacho, here's something to consider. They already put themselves into this position by playing like scum. They didn't have a choice other than to gambit and gambit hard. The most likely explanation is the one you have failed to consider. TODAY IS LYLO AND IF THEY CAN GAMBIT OUT OF A LYNCH AND MISLYNCH THEY WIN!

But hey, you want to play devils-advocate? Fine. If they are town, today is not LYLO. Then a mis-lynch only puts us at even better odds at fishing out scum because their town-flip potentially clears Rufflig, which would literally slice the possible pool down to Me, Mac, and Fuzzy. 66% chance of hitting scum at random barring godfather (50% if you include Rufflig). Whereas our pool today of not completely cleared town - Me, Mac, Fuzzy, Rufflig, and Minami-No-Hana. Which could be 60% if there are three scum or 40% if there are two scum.

If you weren't conf town at this point I would swear up and down you were scum going for a mis-lynch win. If Cabd added some screw-ball role that allows for scum to circumvent hiders I will rage post-game.

[ProHawk]

Fuzzy, pretty sure I already explained why, but how about you put yourself in my shoes and tell me who you would have motivated.

[Nachomamma8]

Because there is literally no way that MinamiNoHana is town. PoE aside, they have been playing like scum and have even ADMITTED to such. I was sad you didn't want to lynch them last game day, and am doubly sad you don't see it now.

There is literally no way Minami is town: why? I can see them being very strong scum picks, but I can also see possibilities of being town. I thought you would appreciate me taking a step back and taking this game day slowly, especially since I'm usually the one going too fast.

Hey Nacho, here's something to consider. They already put themselves into this position by playing like scum. They didn't have a choice other than to gambit and gambit hard. The most likely explanation is the one you have failed to consider. TODAY IS LYLO AND IF THEY CAN GAMBIT OUT OF A LYNCH AND MISLYNCH THEY WIN!

Probably. There are a variety of other gambits that I would expect, though; the incredible weirdness and claim that basically screams "lynch me" is not along the lines of what I expected.

Then a mis-lynch only puts us at even better odds at fishing out scum because their town-flip potentially clears Rufflig, which would literally slice the possible pool down to Me, Mac, and Fuzzy. 66% chance of hitting scum at random barring godfather (50% if you include Rufflig). Whereas our pool today of not completely cleared town - Me, Mac, Fuzzy, Rufflig, and Minami-No-Hana. Which could be 60% if there are three scum or 40% if there are two scum.

Their townflip doesn't clear Rufflig, unfortunately. There are additionally two scum in {You, Mac, Fuzzy, Rufflig} regardless of Minami's alignment so lynching them today does nothing to improve the odds. If we lynch wrong in the 4 person pool, then we have a confirmed scum, Minami as confirmed town, and a confirmed scum in 1 of 2 players which is a 50% shot at a win.

Fuzzy, pretty sure I already explained why, but how about you put yourself in my shoes and tell me who you would have motivated.

I probably wouldn't have motivated anyone since there was no one I trusted, but your claim doesn't matter to me much.

[Nachomamma8]

ProHawk, you're wondering who I think is scum in my neighborhood still?
I think it's Mac.

[Kazekirimaru]

You really think Mac would powerlurk as scum in MyLo?

[ProHawk]

I trusted Tammy.

Are you saying you won't lynch Miami?

[Nachomamma8]

You really think Mac would powerlurk as scum in MyLo?

Yes...?

[Nachomamma8]

I trusted Tammy.

Are you saying you won't lynch Miami?

No, but I'm not lynching Minami immediately.
Especially since I'm dead overnight, most likely.

[ProHawk]

We still need to clear up the time issue with the mods

[Kazekirimaru]

V/LA till Jan. 2

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ ProHawk
I agree with Nacho. Since Tammy roles doesnt seem to do anything and I am doubtful of Ruff and No Hana I would of abstain from action. You do see how it can look suspicious that the person you motivated died and can not verify your action.

@ Nacho
Why do you believe you will be NKed

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ No Hana
Do you know Not God General means town or do you just believed/ assumed that what it means?

[ProHawk]

I agree with Nacho. Since Tammy roles doesnt seem to do anything and I am doubtful of Ruff and No Hana I would of abstain from action. You do see how it can look suspicious that the person you motivated died and can not verify your action.

If I am pretty sure someone is town, why would I not use my role? It would be a waste of a role. If I had any doubt that Tammy wasn't town, or anyone else that I had considered using my role on I wouldn't have used it.

So are you really suggesting that I would night kill someone who would end up making myself look bad in the process? Out of all the choices of people to kill, I chose the one who would make me look worse in the end? Right.

Fuzzy, I can't keep this up with you because your logic is way the freak out in left field and doesn't make any sense. I swear I am just going to blow a gasket with you.

[ProHawk]

No, but I'm not lynching Minami immediately.

Ok Nacho, what exactly do you need to sort out?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I agree with Nacho. Since Tammy roles doesnt seem to do anything and I am doubtful of Ruff and No Hana I would of abstain from action. You do see how it can look suspicious that the person you motivated died and can not verify your action.

If I am pretty sure someone is town, why would I not use my role? It would be a waste of a role. If I had any doubt that Tammy wasn't town, or anyone else that I had considered using my role on I wouldn't have used it.

So are you really suggesting that I would night kill someone who would end up making myself look bad in the process? Out of all the choices of people to kill, I chose the one who would make me look worse in the end? Right.

Fuzzy, I can't keep this up with you because your logic is way the freak out in left field and doesn't make any sense. I swear I am just going to blow a gasket with you.

The point is not whether or not she was town. The point was that her role seemed not do do anything. This mean in essence you did waste your PR . Can you provide evidence that using your PR on Tammy would of helped the town in any way?

Also why not. Sure you might garner some suspicion but NO Hana has come into Day 3 with a rope around her neck. Plus Ruff has garnered some attention at the end of day 2 and and on day 3.Maybe your partner and you killed Tammy and planned to say you used your power as a cover story.. or maybe it something you thought up when I asked you about it. The real question is how do we know that you are not fake claiming.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Ruff
why did you pick me to investigate and do you think that proves that I am who I say I am?

[Nachomamma8]

No, but I'm not lynching Minami immediately.

Ok Nacho, what exactly do you need to sort out?

For one: Fuzzy is bleeding bleeding bleeding town.
Mac is not bleeding bleeding bleeding town.

You are bleeding bleeding bleeding town.
Rufflig is not bleeding bleeding bleeding town.

Could it really be that simple?

[Sakura Hana]

Btw happy new year

#TooLazyToLogIntoHydraWillQuoteTomorrow

[Nachomamma8]

the singer for the fray is ugly as hell

[ProHawk]

Fuzzy, I can't possibly have evidence except that I know it worked on me. Would her role have outed someone lying about their claim? Most probably yes, why else would she have died over two confirmed town?!? Use your head man. Secondly, just because I didn't have evidence that her role was useful doesn't mean that it wasn't.

A) I was pretty confident Tammy was town.
B) Tammy had a PR who could have two-shotted in one night.
C) Her role could have potential to be useful,

at worst

it would just give us all titles.

Why the freak would you sit on your role and do nothing when THERE IS A CHANCE it could help?

Role-wise, you can't confirm that what I am saying is true except that my title (mod-given) fits with my claim. And me trying to tie WIFOM to myself as scum is a completely moronic move when I could have avoided this ENTIRE conversation by killing someone else and fake-claiming something else.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

the singer for the fray is ugly as hell

and now for our moment of randomness

[Nachomamma8]

the singer for the fray is ugly as hell

and now for our moment of randomness

well he is

[Nachomamma8]

the singer for the fray is ugly as hell

and now for our moment of randomness

well he is

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Hmm not the answer I expected

oKay

PRoHawk.....

Can you tell what significance the title given to you by Tammy has to your name and or PR ( if any) Thanks