Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[TheFuzzylogic99]

how would rate Ruff as likely scum?

[Nachomamma8]

on one what kind scale, fuzzy?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

the above question is addressed to Prohawk

[TheFuzzylogic99]

the above question is addressed to Prohawk but answering the question what also be helpful nacho

on a scale of how likely he is scum... lets say from 1-10 1 being obv town and 10 being obvious scum

[Nachomamma8]

at this moment, or logically?

[Nachomamma8]

because at this moment i would slot in the 10 but i feel logical me would disagree with this assessment

[TheFuzzylogic99]

what would the logically you rate him

[Nachomamma8]

fuck if i know, i'm hammered

[Nachomamma8]

8?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

ugh....
on that note I am quitting for the night

[ProHawk]

Can you tell what significance the title given to you by Tammy has to your name and or PR ( if any) Thanks

No fuzzy, go do your freaking homework for yourself. I am done spoon feeding you.

My scum list goes Minami>Rufflig>Mac at the moment.

[Nachomamma8]

okay that's a very fair scumlist

[The Rufflig]

Rufflig, why do you believe Minaho is scum?

Short version: I haven't liked her play and POE both point to her being scum.

@ Ruff
Why are you not for a Prohawk wagon if you believe he is scum
Do you think if you were lynched it would confirm NO Hana.

Of the possible scum left, Prohawk:
1) Seems least likely to be scum
2) Has a chance of being proven Town by a scum flip

I would much rather do a Mac or Fuzzy lynch over Prohawk. My first choice remains Mina.

My lynch will only confirm that Mina is scum, because I believe the game would end. If the game didn't end, then Mina would be mod confirmed the next day correct? So, it isn't merely my lynch that would confirm Mina, but any town lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

What's the long version of Minaho scum?

[The Rufflig]

Irrelevant.

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Quick question for you: fake claims or unexpected alignments for scum?

If you go by fake claims and think Mina is town then the only possible scum group is Mac and Fuzzy. Evidence for fake claims includes Tammy's role, Mina's role and my role.

Unexpected alignments and Mina town puts Prohawk and myself back into the mix. However, the aforementioned roles are useless. Orci/Pitoli 1 shots + Mina self confirm are the only way to clear townies? I suppose the weak town powers could be offset by only a two man scum team. However, I don't believe it. Furthermore, since I'm inclined to think Prohawk is town, I'm still stuck with the same two man scum team: Mac and Fuzzy.

Let's look at things if Mina turns out to be scum. If Mina has a fake claim, then Prohawk is cleared by Tammy and the only remaining scum team for me is: Mac and Fuzzy! If Mina has an unexpected alignment then Prohawk scum remains a possibility, but not one that I believe in so the remaining scum team is: Mac and Fuzzy!

At this point, my lynches are set by POE and the belief that Prohawk is probably town.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Irrelevant.

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Quick question for you: fake claims or unexpected alignments for scum?

If you go by fake claims and think Mina is town then the only possible scum group is Mac and Fuzzy. Evidence for fake claims includes Tammy's role, Mina's role and my role.

Unexpected alignments and Mina town puts Prohawk and myself back into the mix. However, the aforementioned roles are useless. Orci/Pitoli 1 shots + Mina self confirm are the only way to clear townies? I suppose the weak town powers could be offset by only a two man scum team. However, I don't believe it. Furthermore, since I'm inclined to think Prohawk is town, I'm still stuck with the same two man scum team: Mac and Fuzzy.

Let's look at things if Mina turns out to be scum. If Mina has a fake claim, then Prohawk is cleared by Tammy and the only remaining scum team for me is: Mac and Fuzzy! If Mina has an unexpected alignment then Prohawk scum remains a possibility, but not one that I believe in so the remaining scum team is: Mac and Fuzzy!

At this point, my lynches are set by POE and the belief that Prohawk is probably town.

- How? Plus the chances of having two scum in a neighborhood is very unlikely. I can possible see one scum in the neighborhood. How is evidence for a fake claim Tammy , Mina's and your role
- Even if No Hana flips town cop / JOAT/ JK it does not clear you. The read said not God General. This could mean you have another scum role . Orc and Pit roles was useless??? Please explain bc this makes no sense at all/
You are not making much sense
- Again how is Prohawk cleared by Tammy. Her tittle to ProHawk does not mean he necessarily town. Youur scum pairing are awful/ No way there are two scum in the neighborhood/ Once again I can see one scum I can see
one scum being in the neighborhood/

[TheFuzzylogic99]

The set up does not seems to hint at twisted roles. This is to say that a good guy in the normal mythology is made a bad guy by the game designer. Can someone show me how I might be wrong on this bc everything in this game seems to align with the mythros of TOTA

[The Rufflig]

Erm, could you please state what you were confused by? Your questions make no sense.

[The Rufflig]

The one thing that I can make out of your post is that you do not believe that there are two scum in the neighborhood. Actually, if you are town, it would be impossible for there to be two scum in the neighborhood. From my point of view, there must be scum in the neighborhood. If I'm correct about Prohawk, then there must be two scum in the neighborhood.

No matter how I ran the scenarios, I always got back the same answer. Mac and Fuzzy must be scum if Prohawk is town. It doesn't matter if Mina is scum or not - Mac and Fuzzy must be scum. It doesn't matter if fake claims exist or not - Mac and Fuzzy must be scum. There you have it, unless I'm wrong about Prohawk, no scenarios exist for me where the scum team does not include Mac and Fuzzy!

[TheFuzzylogic99]

How is Mac /Me the only possible scum team.
How was Pit and Orcs roles useless??
How is Prohawk cleared by Tammy
Why do think there are two scum in the neighborhood when the likelihood of that happening is slim

[TheFuzzylogic99]

oKay I see you answered some questions

Unless Nacho and Mac are scum there are no two scum in the neighborhood bc I am town. I really doubt both are scum so your conclusions are wrong.
what makes you so sure that Pro Hawk is town??

[The Rufflig]

How is Mac /Me the only possible scum team.

I've explained this twice now. Here is the third, final, and simplest way I can put it. Possible Scum: Rufflig, Prohawk, Mina, Fuzzy and Mac. I eliminate myself. I eliminate Prohawk. The only possible scum teams left must include Fuzzy and Mac.

How was Pit and Orcs roles useless??

??? I never said that they were. The aforementioned roles were mine, Tammy's and Mina's in the specific scenario that fake roles do not exist.

How is Prohawk cleared by Tammy

In the scenario where fake claims exist, Tammy has proven what Prohawk's name is. Unless you think there could be a mix of scum: some with fake claims and some with an unexpected alignment for their role name. No? Prohawk therefore must be town in that scenario. Extremely clear.

Why do think there are two scum in the neighborhood when the likelihood of that happening is slim

I've run across a three player neighborhood with two scum in it before. It is possible and imo, it is more likely than Prohawk being scum.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

1) Ok.... I saw that but i was to lazy to erase my reply
2) fake roles= fake claims.... just trying to clarify
Are you saying that Anise beloved is Pro Hawks name
3) Hmm.....something to think about while I fatten myself on food

[Kazekirimaru]

More LA than V right now. I'll try to do stuff.

[ProHawk]

Fuzzy, I am going to do this for you: Only because you refuse to do this yourself. There are probably spoilers in the below information if you are going to play the game.

Spoiler: Wiki on Anise's Beloved

Ion -

Anise is the most trusted member of Ion's personal guard

, while also serving as an important friend. The exuberant Oracle Knight is often a foil to Ion's gentle nature, but the two have a strong bond regardless.

Ion trusts Anise enough to put his life in her hands

, bringing her along with him as his sole guardian during the journey. Anise expresses her frustration at Ion's tendency to get kidnapped and wander off, but her anger only serves to

show just how much she cares about his well being

. Anise is always ready to defend Ion in any situation.

Some characters speculate that there is some sort of young love between the two

, but regardless of the nature of their relationship

the two care deeply for each other

. It is eventually revealed that Ion is a replica of the original Ion, alive for only two years. He does not expect to anyone to see him as anything more than a mere replacement, but Anise assures him that he's not a replacement for anyone.

Later in the story, Anise starts acting strange. It is learned that she had been threatened by Mohs and forced to lead Ion to the Zaleho volcano to read the Score. It is there that Ion breathes his last.

While Anise is the one responsible for Ion's death, neither Ion nor the party blames her.

Ion clearly states this, and thanks Anise for all she had done for him. Anise truly regrets what happened, and firmly believes that she is the cause of Ion's death. But after making up with her friends, she decides to continue Ion's legacy no matter what.

So unless you can show somehow that Anise had some other beloved that would fit the description, it is pretty obvious who my character is. Also, Tammy was pretty freaking clear that she gave people TITLES not names.