Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Tammy]

Actually BB might be scum.

I am totally up for a BB wagon.

Eh, there wouldn't be enough support for it, and I wouldn't vote there today anyway when it's just an inkling I have. I feel like I'll have a better feel for him if I interact with him some.

[Zebe]

Bep Boop.

I've read the thread few times now, but I (still) need time to think.

I don't have solid reads yet

, but DBK, Wake, ETL and maybe BB are leaning town at the moment. Rest are null, scummy or nothing. Anyone can ask questions and whatnot.

VOTE: Kalimar

Let's see what happens.

It was my first post. I was still catching up, I needed more time to think. I just quickly spat out my first thoughts.

Gam was already being voted, I didn't see it was necessary for me to join the wagon. There was already some pretty good questions thrown out there for Gam. I wanted Kalimar to explain his vote and more importantly, get him into the game. I remember I explained this somewhere.

I changed my vote for reasons I've already said. I mentioned BB because of his gambit made me think him as town.
How I said that wasn't the best way, yeah.

[Tammy]

But Zebe might actually be scum here too. I just looked through his three other games, and though he makes excuses about being busy a lot and is a low poster there, there's an assertiveness that is lacking in the beginning of the game. Though I quite like his string of posts starting about Post 451 with the exception of the "why do you guys think I'm scum here." I just hate it when people do that.

I don't know, I'm getting newb vibes here. His deflection on the Bo thing is terrible though. The whole you can't blame me when you're a weather vane. One that's parroting smudger's comment, and someone moving their votes around a lot is not necessarily opportunistic. You have to look at the movement of the votes and why and Bo just seems indecisive not opportunistic.

He looks really scummy, but I'm not sure he is.

[Tammy]

Oh has anyone ever played this set up before? I was thinking that there might be a possible way of gaming the setup to our benefit. For instance say if someone is a night one doctor, they could claim that. Once we know there's a night one doctor, we could see if there's a night one cop. The night one doctor could protect the night one cop and so on and so forth.

The idea has definite flaws I think, but it's something I was mulling over earlier.

[Zebe]

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DoesBoKnow

My top scum read, if someone missed. Explained in the page 15. Also, I mentioned his vote on me being hypocritical in my last post. Being weather vane and whatever.

BBmolla

BB's gambit made me feel unsure about him. I did convince he was town, I saw no other way around it. I've noticed has been some interaction between him and DBK, who is my top scum read (Even though it doesn't necessarily mean he's scum, or he's scum with DBK). I think I've not seen much scumhunt or reads from him. All in all, I'm not entirely sure. He can be scum.

Cheery Dog

Ok, Cheery is just scummy. He makes no sense. Wagon > Lunch, wth? I find both DBK and Cheery scummy, which is distracting. However, there is just 0% chance both are scum, considering interaction between DBK and Cheery. This thing makes no sense.
I've thought that Cheery is "too scummy to be scum", not even realising how much he looks guilty. I've experienced such thing. I cannot be sure about it though.
I'm wondering, is Cheery like this always? I could join the wagon if meta says it. I've seen people mentioning Cheery meta, I believe. I should've checked Cheery's other games earlier. I don't think I have enough time though. Shit.

Not all reads, sorry. Gotta go sleep soon. I'll be back before deadline. Before lynch? I dunno.

[Does Bo Know]

Oh has anyone ever played this set up before? I was thinking that there might be a possible way of gaming the setup to our benefit. For instance say if someone is a night one doctor, they could claim that. Once we know there's a night one doctor, we could see if there's a night one cop. The night one doctor could protect the night one cop and so on and so forth.

The idea has definite flaws I think, but it's something I was mulling over earlier.

The only person I can say that has probably played the setup before is BB, because he signed up for this whole saying it's a great setup.

I think the only real flaw with this is that there is a possibility there will be more of one role than the other, and that the nights won't all match up. So say there's a N1 doc, and no N1 cop. The doctor won't be able to use their protection efficiently, and their action will be wasted.

I do agree though, someone with experience in this setup could show some insight about possible claiming advantages (or disadvantages).

I think Zebe's reason for thinking Cheery is scum is too...late. I ISO'd them side by side and apparently most of what Zebe sees is Cheery-scum happened

before

he had to catch up, so I'm thinking Zebe-town would've pointed that kind of stuff out earlier, before the wagons started, because hiding a scum read does not help town.

[Does Bo Know]

Actually, meh, I missed 453 from Zebe saying Cheery was suspicious, but he never really explained why.

[Does Bo Know]

I've decided I'm going to set an alarm for 30 minutes before deadline, and if someone isn't lynched by then, I'll vote on the biggest wagon.

I'll be busy for a few hours, but if you have any more questions for me before the day ends, now is the best time to ask them so that I can answer them all in one swift post before going to bed.

[Cheery Dog]

Just realised BB is actually on Zebe which conflicts me somewhat. I do not want a nolynch here, I've just finished a game where we did that and it was truly pathetic.

I think I'd still prefer Zebe but if it's going to be a DBK/Cheery faceoff it has to be Cheery, more because I think DBK is town than Cheery is scum.

I am wary of myself over-compensating for my previous game with DBK and trying to see too much good in him this time round.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cheery

So BB scum is likely in your opinion to throw up a fake claim at the start of play, but not bus.

[Cheery Dog]

Oh has anyone ever played this set up before? I was thinking that there might be a possible way of gaming the setup to our benefit. For instance say if someone is a night one doctor, they could claim that. Once we know there's a night one doctor, we could see if there's a night one cop. The night one doctor could protect the night one cop and so on and so forth.

The idea has definite flaws I think, but it's something I was mulling over earlier.

The problem is when there are multiple players with the same nights and roles. The time I played had 3 night 5 cops. (which when they all live that long does break it)
I think the best plan (based on 4-6 of each) is just claiming when you're used an ability.

[BBmolla]

Hi I'm home, catching up.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Omg can we please lynch cheery now.

[BBmolla]

Is there any reason why we are not lynching bb? Lynch all liars is a staple of this site, no? It seems like he has made himself unlynchable to an extent as his 'gambit' was always destined not to work if he was scum.

lol

Oh sweet Tammy is probably town due to Wake, hi Tammy

Boro's "what I didn't want to lynch him I just asked why we aren't considering it" is such a trash backout it's almost voteworthy.

Amish tell wouldn't work for you Tammy, that shit only works in like newbie games.

Boro's posts are terrible, but he might just be terrible, I'm still deciding.

Actually BB might be scum.

I'm really not

Oh has anyone ever played this set up before? I was thinking that there might be a possible way of gaming the setup to our benefit. For instance say if someone is a night one doctor, they could claim that. Once we know there's a night one doctor, we could see if there's a night one cop. The night one doctor could protect the night one cop and so on and so forth.

The idea has definite flaws I think, but it's something I was mulling over earlier.

I considered it, but I didn't know numberswise how'd it work out. Having Docs claim then Cops would work a lot better than my idea. Plus, if you have multiple Docs you can have them doc train.

The only person I can say that has probably played the setup before is BB, because he signed up for this whole saying it's a great setup.

Never played it, it's just a cool setup. I think it may be possible to game it, but I'm not sure.

[Does Bo Know]

Phil was town last game I played him in, and I thought his posts were so terrible I called him scum almost all game.

BB are you gonna be on again before deadline?

[BBmolla]

I'm here for the next 5 hours or so, but I don't thin kI'll be here at deadline

[Does Bo Know]

Okay

Because I noticed in your sig that hammers without claims are policy lynches and it made me realize that it might be a good idea for Cheery to claim if I may hammer him 30 minutes before deadline.

So I wanna make sure he does claim since he's probably gonna be the lynch for today.

VOTE: Cheery Dog

[Does Bo Know]

That should be L-1.

[BBmolla]

Considering everyone is going to claim a PR, I don't really care as much this game.

[Cheery Dog]

I probably won't be returning it seems. (I'm not setting an alarm when I'm sharing a room with family members that won't want woken up early. (if my body clock says otherwise and I'm not lynched then maybe I'll post again.

So until possibly (but probably not) then. 2C everyone.

[Does Bo Know]

2C?

[Smudger]

2C = second cop?

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I'm starting to feel worse about Lucky tbh

swing swing swing....

How does this make him scum?

did you read what I have said about it prior to this....

I did. I'm wondering how any of that makes him scum.

as I said I don't know if it does or not, but it is not what I know of town DBK, however that is limited experience only. he seems to be disinterested. or at least that is how it is now coming across. I have had my suspicions all game, and on reflection they are weak and its not going to gather steam at this time so will.

UNVOTE:

but now we have a claim, (do we? ) what to do?

[BBmolla]

I can live with Zebe or Cheery, don't like a DBK lynch.

[Does Bo Know]

Smudger, what do you think of Cheery?

[Smudger]

Cherry? I have watched the wagon grow and see why it merits the votes,

If I am right, and I have never played this set up before basically Zebe claiming second Cop, if that is what he is doing, means we can't prove it until N2 if we need to that is, any CC?

are we saying that CD is the alternate we have 6 hours left?

[BBmolla]

I don't think ccs exist in this setup, technically you could have 6 day 2 cops.

I'm saying I'd ratehr get a lynch that isn't DBK.