Destiny Mafia II: The Rule of Fates [Endgame]

Espeonage · Post Post #225 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:44 pm

Vote: AD

FakeGod · Post Post #226 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:35 pm

My god

Did you hammer him?

Katsuki · Post Post #227 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:40 pm

WELL PLAYED!

FakeGod · Post Post #228 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:44 pm

I was promised goods for services rendered

Espeonage · Post Post #229 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:49 pm

Watch how awesome it is when he flips scum.

SpyreX · Post Post #230 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:59 pm

Ohh please AD have a trick up your sleeve so we can powerbomb Esp.

PS MY GAME IS IN SIGNUPS GO FILL IT

kuribo · Post Post #231 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:23 pm

In post 229, Espeonage wrote:Watch how awesome it is when he flips scum.

yeah this gets rope

I swear to god if Dan flips town, then rope this shit right here because "OH GOD I BETTER HAMMER IT BEFORE IT UNLEASHES ITS TOWN POWERS"

Katsuki · Post Post #232 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:47 pm

I'll laugh if AD was actually scum and got quick-hammered.

Time to pray.

Ansuz · Post Post #233 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:03 pm

Espeonage quickhammer clownfuckery reads like the type of town thing I have nightmares about every time I go to bed. I pray to god there is something in this world with bullets that can shoot him dead so we can lynch Reck tomorrow and get back on track to lynches that aren't horrendous, but my optimism isn't exactly overwhelming me.

Espeonage · Post Post #234 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:33 pm

In post 233, Ansuz wrote:Espeonage quickhammer clownfuckery reads like the type of town thing I have nightmares about every time I go to bed. I pray to god there is something in this world with bullets that can shoot him dead so we can lynch Reck tomorrow and get back on track to lynches that aren't horrendous, but my optimism isn't exactly overwhelming me.

If I'm right and AD flips scum. This is scum right here.

Ansuz · Post Post #235 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:35 pm

And when you're wrong and learn sometimes it isn't good to make a lynch happen that no one agrees with at all, maybe you won't do this again?

Espeonage · Post Post #236 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:38 pm

When, from a design perspective, the role isn't obviously scum, I won't throw a hammer in.

Ansuz · Post Post #237 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:19 pm

In post 213, Espeonage wrote:Because that makes more sense than a town role that benefits from being voted. Because that is going in the direction of rewarding bad play. Which is usually a bad design characteristic.

Question: What alignment gets voted when they are playing well?

Espeonage · Post Post #238 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:22 pm

Neither. But Scum are the ones with stuff to lose upon being wagoned, therefore it makes more sense as a balance mechanic because it promotes hyper bussing, most notably. Which is all the more reason for it to appear in this game.

Espeonage · Post Post #239 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:24 pm

Also there's no risk v reward component if it's a town role because town is expendable.

It just makes more sense if he's scum.

Ansuz · Post Post #240 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:27 pm

In post 237, Ansuz wrote:Question: What alignment gets voted when they are playing well?

In post 238, Espeonage wrote:Neither.

This means that your "obviously scum role due to setup spec" assumption was wrong and you probably should have talked to people who have seen roles that needed to be voted for special things and explained their reasons for not lynching the hell out of ActionDan immediately and calling him town, even.

Ansuz · Post Post #241 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:30 pm

In post 238, Espeonage wrote:Neither. But Scum are the ones with stuff to lose upon being wagoned, therefore it makes more sense as a balance mechanic because it promotes hyper bussing, most notably. Which is all the more reason for it to appear in this game.

It does not promote hyper bussing unless ActionDan gets goodies when he dies as opposed to when he's driven up to L-1. If he gets rewards when he's brought to L-1, he's more than likely to be quiet about it and just have buddies to bus. Townies are NOT "expendable". It is one team's wincon to kill all players of the other, which is a basic sort of principle.

I will also point out that your setup spec ignores a pretty common role called a vengeful townie, which "rewards" townies for being lynched. By your reasoning, it would make more sense as a balance mechanic because it promotes hyper bussing.

Espeonage · Post Post #242 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:31 pm

Vengeful procs on death not L-1.

Espeonage · Post Post #243 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:34 pm

ebwop: So evidently, not vengeful. And when does a vengeful ever claim to have a death proc?

Ansuz · Post Post #244 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:39 pm

My point is that while it's not exactly the same, the mechanics are pretty similar.
Meaning your entire argument for him being scum is shown to not always be the case.

Espeonage · Post Post #245 (ISO) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:44 pm

No, of course it's not always going to be the case. But I felt it was compelling enough for me to take the hammer.

ActionDan · Post Post #246 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:41 am

checked to make sure that was the real hammer. it was.

you lynch Espeonage first thing tomorrow. if he isn't lynched you can not call your selves competent players.

I was rage an aspect of fate and needed the votes to go berserk. not sure what the day effect was other than the fact that I didn't want to know what would happen if I lost control.

However, during the night, I could do stuff were I disturbed, which I took to mean that I'd be a PGO were I went berserk the previous day.

This hammer means Espeonage/RC are probably scum. and Esponage is taking the rope deliberately so he can kill off a power role + not risk a scum lynch D1.

DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST FUCKING HAMMER ME?

LYNCH THIS ASSCLOWN TOMORROW. I SWEAR TO GOD IF HE BREATHES FOR ONE MORE DAY I WILL REIGN DOWN ON YOUR WORLDS.

I WAS RAGE FOR FUCKS SAKE.

RAGE

, BUT HAD NO FUCKIN CLUE HOW MY ROLE WORKED.

I FIGURED IF I GOT PISSED OFF ENOUGH THAT ID BLOW THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING AT NIGHT THOUGH

ESPEON/RC ARE PROBABLY SCUM. CHEEKY MOTHER FUCKIN OPPORTUNISTIC HAMMER WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO GO POWER MODE.

ActionDan · Post Post #247 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:42 am

If I am a vengeful townie that'd be awesome though. possible but imo unlikely

I BETTER BE SECRET VENGEFUL FUCKIN TOWNIE DAMN IT

ActionDan · Post Post #248 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:43 am

In post 213, Espeonage wrote:Look, I don't think AD is scum because of his play.

FOR

FUCKS

SAKE

ActionDan · Post Post #249 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:47 am

UNVOTE:

not that it matters but you never know

HERPADERPDEPRDEPRP FATE NEVER SELF-VOTES YOU ASSCLOWN