Mini 1531 ~ Mafia Pinnipedum (Game Over!)

[The Purple Plague]

the part I liked was the trust tell bit; that's a hell of a play to make as scum so early and I don't think he's that creative.

[The Purple Plague]

and I don't think it was coached to him considering he used the phrase "trust tell" incorrectly and the only people I can see being creative enough to do something like that know what the hell a trust tell is.

[kanyeknowsbest]

the part I liked was the trust tell bit; that's a hell of a play to make as scum so early and I don't think he's that creative.

i dont follow

[The Purple Plague]

you should be happy I'm quoting this for you

[The Purple Plague]

"I actually thought club seal was every vanilla townie at one stage and thought kaze was trust telling because I have a picture of three seals partying on a dance floor in my role pm."
That bit.

[kanyeknowsbest]

yah i got that much but like i dont get how you think thats a thing he wouldnt say as scum?

[kanyeknowsbest]

or are you saying that you dont think he would crumb his fakeclaim like that?

[The Purple Plague]

I don't think he would crumb his VT fakeclaim like that.

[The Purple Plague]

like maybe he would crumb it like "hey guys, are you ready to party???" but the whole "Kaze you're getting too close to trust telling, stop" thing probs not

[kanyeknowsbest]

ic

[Syryana]

I'm alive!

I'll get back to doing things this evening.

[walked into a club]

That replace out does absolutely nothing to change my opinion of garmr and or garmr's slot; and Nacho's defense of it is noted.

Hey Syr, you're like almost certainly town so come sheep the mason-driven wagon that's gonna lynch scum.

[walked into a club]

But yeah battery is gonna be below 50 probably so let's get this show on the road people. DDD is probably Garmr's chosen mislynch of the day.

[Natirasha]

Garmr's exactly the type to strategic replace out.

[Selkies]

He almost replaced out of the Space game. Different circumstance. It wasn't strategy-motivated, though.

[penguin_alien]

So do you think it's strategically motivated here?

[Syryana]

VOTE: Garmr

So I happen to know something you don't want us knowing. Care to explain it to the class?

Here we go...

VOTE: Garmr

So I happen to know something you don't want us knowing. Care to explain it to the class?

???? I don't know wtf your on about care to explain.

VOTE: Garmr

Hey Syry!

my reads kinda line up with nacho's quite nicely. the DBK read is especially one that I like

everyone who isn't LLD, DDD, or Selkies are decently town

Hi Mara!

Why don't

you

like DDD or Selkies?

I'm really interested Cabd now and what gambit his pulling this time.

I'm really curious as to where he got the idea that Cabd is gambiting here.

oh I cannot wait until I get back into a place where my posts won't be coming from a well of pure rage.

Because if I had to post today, I think I'd probably tear Nacho a couple new assholes, just so he can get out all his bullshit easier.

I think your rage is hilarious. Go for it!

Syryana: I'm thinking your slot is town because DBK was genuine as fuck and I'm pretty sure his scumgame doesn't look anything like that. LLD scum for a moment was because I had a paranoid moment because I was getting boxed in by townreads, but then I realized Natirasha and Cabd townreads aren't actually made out of anything solid so Kanye held my hand and told me everything was okay again and I'm generally doing okay.

Kanye is a top tier townread for you, then?

your plum read is the strongest evidence of you being town, for some strange reason. I sort of liked Nati trying to bait the SK but when the most significant thing he's done is hunt for a third party then well, I'm not really that satisfied with him being town. Kanye read is usually a read based on what pushes he makes and his interactions with me; not too much more although he does have his extremely town moments. We are currently decently synced up now, so he is not a worry for me.

Not to sidetrack things with tinfoil hats, but are we currently thinking vig or SK?

Note to self: honesty not effective, resume lying as town. Scum reads: living people on the Smudger wagon, it was a bad wagon. Town reads: PA due to likely masonness, I would've said Garmr but there might be something interesting going on there, too early to tell.

If you want to poke at LLD, poke at her. You actually putting your balls to the wall and going after someone who will "rip you a few assholes" would certainly go a long way towards me reading you as town; all I can see here is "I have no scumreads except someone who I can't read worth a shit" which is for many reasons.

Thanks for the blandtastic advice, if I wanted to do something rest assured I would. And trust me I'm opportunistic enough that I calculated in the value of town-cred for playing with LLD in my calculations. Unfortunately, I remain confident of my ability to talk my way out of anything and that road still seems both ineffective and unfun.

I don't want to lynch you anymore! Why was the Smudger wagon a bad wagon, in your opinion (other than he's a dead townie, obv)

172, 198 both came off really town to me in a "yeah I suck at this game" way, but he kept scumhunting. I disagreed with his Smudger vote and the reasons that started around 358, but I thought they were internally consistent in a tone-deaf sort of way that he'd also shown earlier with his Plum suspicions. There was a sheeping feel to his reversal on Smudger around 498, but he'd already kind of latched on to NachoMara and he'd also said pretty early on that he didn't trust his own scumhunting skills and felt he did better listening to other's arguments. If he's scum, that was a masterful set up and a masterful emulation of confused but giving it his best shot town. I don't get why he'd replace out with a feeling lost sort of reason after accomplishing that.

So he's town for being consistent and that you don't think he's able to fake being confused as scum, yes?

The players I'm somewhat familiar with look town this time out. I was scumreading PA but that's evidently me being butthurt over NY164. I was suspicious of her in the Space Mini Normal on day 2, and that turned out to be wrong. Ironically, She was a mason in that game, and her mason partner died on night 1. I was hoping to pick Nacho's brains some more about LLD, Kanye and DDD. I posted earlier why I think DDD's play this game looks town, but it's pretty thin meta soup. I have

that game

for experiential meta, and a newbie game where he was scum that I read in real time.

So, why aren't you picking Nacho's brains?

Day 1 ended prematurely I was pretty happy with a good handful of townreads but hadn't PoE'd it down far enough. Had hoped we'd growl at each other for a while, and move the vote someplace besides Smudger.

Who were the townreads? If you hoped to have a fight with Nacho, why didn't you? Did you think Smudger was a bad lynch?

At first I thought Smudger was posting a lot of insults without giving any indication that he was interacting with scumreads, or even people he had questions about.

When he was first run up, his reaction looked pretty damn town, though. I pushed Nacho on that read and I think he agreed with me, at least for a while.


We didn't get things sorted out day 1 because (IMO) premature hammer. Nacho indicated he wanted more time to sort me before day 1 ended here. I replied here. Kanye hammered before we had that convo here.

I seem to recall something about a penultimate votecount where you swapped from Smudger to PA and put PA at L-1. If you were/are concerned about things not getting sorted because of premature hammers (and you've been burned by that... a lot) why were you putting someone else at L-1?

Town reads:

PA - the middle of the game-night communications channeled by sixty were convincing enough for me to do a major rethink.

Garmr - meta read. This game he's not playing exactly like he did in our two earlier games, but there's a meta-trajectory to what has changed, and I think it's a town-game evolution, not a scum game. I posted some scathing feedback along with an ISO analysis in the space game while I was waiting to be hammered.

DBK/You - explained above. Don't break my heart.

Walked into a Club (Cabd/Mala) - minor concerns at times on day 1 but cabd tried to peel me off the PA wagon and I don't see why he'd care as scum. If anything it seems like the wagon on the stronger player going through would have benefited scum more at least in the short term. (yeah, yeah, terrifying scum game. I'm working pretty hard at not going into paranoid tailspins around him).

Purple Plague should be a stronger read probably, but nacho. Recent history says I can't read him for shit but I'm always optimistic that \I'll get him right next time. Until it's next time. In our last few games I think we've both been very suspicious of each other at first when town. The one that gets there first maybe gets a townread from the one who lags a little.

Middle of the night game communications? Why do you think Garmr's uh, "evolution"? is townish and not scummish?

What do you think of the whole Garmr/Cabd situation now?

I'll probably break your heart, but it won't be because of my alignment!

VOTE: Garmr

TPP is probably SK, Selkies is probably scum and Cabd is probably town.

I want to be in your headspace. TPP as SK? Cabd town? Explain pleeeeeease?

On an unrelated note, penguin_alien is town as fuck.

[kanyeknowsbest]

yeah, yeah, me too. i want everyone to know that i also think the mason is town and i have a townread on them.

[kanyeknowsbest]

do you disagree w. cabd town syrory?

[Natirasha]

Um...you realize pa is confirmed mason, right?

And TPP because I think Mara overreacted to my pushing the second killer in a way that suggests inside knowledge.

Selkies because reasons(not role related).

Cabd because I'm not seeing the agenda he typically has as scum.

[penguin_alien]

UNVOTE: Garmr

This is still the only lynch I want today, but I also want the hammer. No, this isn't me being a prima donna; I have important reasons for it. I'll consider anyone who hammers in my stead to be claiming scum.

This should put Garmr-slot at L-3, FYI, so no one can gripe that they lost count.

[Syryana]

yeah, yeah, me too. i want everyone to know that i also think the mason is town and i have a townread on them.

Mason?

do you disagree w. cabd town syrory?

Disagree is a strong word. Moreso "not sold on" or "paranoid as fuck". Of course, the only thing I've seen from him thus far is his Garmr thing.

Um...you realize pa is confirmed mason, right?

And TPP because I think Mara overreacted to my pushing the second killer in a way that suggests inside knowledge.

Selkies because reasons(not role related).

Cabd because I'm not seeing the agenda he typically has as scum.

Well, that explains the kanye sarcasm tags.

I'm going to have to go back and read where you were pushing the second killer. Roughly where did it start?

[kanyeknowsbest]

do you not check flips/night posts when you replace into a game?

[Natirasha]

Literally start of day two.

[Syryana]

do you not check flips/night posts when you replace into a game?

Didn't this time, because I wasn't actually expecting to be here.

Literally start of day two.

Thanks!