Destiny Mafia II: The Rule of Fates [Endgame]


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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:23 am

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The Second Day: Dawn


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Bulbazak (0):
DrippingGoofball (0):
Espeonage (0):
FakeGod (0):
Katsuki (0):
Kuribo (0):
Nuwen (0):
RedCoyote (0):
Staeg (2): Bulbazak, Fake God
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xRECKONERx (0):

Not Voting: DGB, Espeonage, Katsuki, Kuribo, Nuwen, RedCoyote, Staeg, SpyreX, xRECKONERx

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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:36 am

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Wowie guys I'm the leading wagon
Also going to vote fakegod because those are a thing in mafia games and sure
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:44 am

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The miller drawback makes me think it's supposed to be a safeguard against too much positive feedback for town.

I'm going to summarize my thoughts on Espeonage so people can follow along:

Spoiler: long
  • The hammer - Impulsive above all else and the rationale about why he did it didn't make sense. Anyone can do something sudden and be unable to explain it properly. Said that his role made ActionDan's more likely to be scum, lynched ActionDan because his lack of fullclaim was scummy in his eyes.
  • Not full-claiming... if ActionDan's lack of fullclaim was scummy, I don't really see how town turns around and does the same thing. This betrays a lack of
    internal consistency
    to me, which is the thing I find scummiest of all. Even if town aren't aware of it, town usually maintain an internal narrative that accounts for their actions and deductive processes. Scum break the consistency mold because they often just need to achieve some end (like lynching ActionDan, or not getting lynched/shot himself)
  • The investigate target: Kuribo
    In post 302, Espeonage wrote:
    In post 297, kuribo wrote:I will literally tear through each and every one of you to get at him tomorrow


    One of espy's white knights is scum, regardless of his alignment
    Espeonage agrees that scum are among the people defending him,
    but seeds an investigation on Kuribo
    ? This is another reason why his claim is
    convenient
    rather than
    consistent
    .

  • The breadcrumb - yep. Espeonage definitely planned to claim cop at some point.
  • The way things played out - I expect scum w/ laid breadcrumbs to also have a claim prepared, which is the opposite of the way things played out. The scum perspective would want to smoothly claim out full flavor, results, etc. However I think the 'responsiveness' of Espeonage's claim could also be explained by him having time to make it up - it's possible that his original claim didn't fit the gamestate and he needed to edit it, and decided to make the role pin Kuribo's shot in place until tomorrow.


Espeonage if you claimed ANY FLAVOR AT ALL I missed it so full everything now plz
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:44 am

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Reck stop being afk
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:19 am

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RECK 171 wrote:RCscum desperately tries to latch onto that notion
I don't think I'm trying desperately to do anything. I'm trying to be a bit comical maybe, but your kneejerk reaction here of overdone sarcasm is a bit much. It's not that absurd.
RECK 174 wrote:Well I think I played with Desperado before and he was shit at reading me and I'm pretty sure Nacho wouldn't be calling me scum right now
It's literally impossible for you to have not played with Nacho before. He's in every damn game on the website.

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DGB 181 wrote:RECK's insistence about people reading correctly and stuff is a townie perspective.
I don't know what this means.

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kuribo 207 wrote:spy as scum is slippery as fuck and never to be trusted
I don't see any issues with him yet. I actually don't see any issues with just about anyone yet except two little tingles on Espeonage and RECK and a bigger tingle on Kat.

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AD 246 wrote:This hammer means Espeonage/RC are probably scum.
Huh? I'm the first one that believed you and helped you get going. I wasn't around, nor did I endorse Espeonage's hammer.

For the record, I love the concept of a role that only activates if it hits L-1 just for the situation in this game. It's easy for the town to fuck something like that up.

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Bulb 342 wrote:The question everyone should be asking is: why would you try to direct the vig away from obvious vig bait?
I like this point.

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Spy 350 wrote:1.) He claimed on you instead of Nuwen. You know the person he was so hot and bothered on Fate blushed IRL?
2.) After hearing you have a dayvig instead of pretending to be useful and just tracking someone else to meditate on later (lollz) he was still going to use it.
3.) This is what happens tonight if you don't shoot I ALL BUT GUARANTEE:
- You die
- OHH NOES KURIBO DIED AND I TOTALLY SAW HE WAS TOWN
- Shock and awe
These are some good points. Also, if I may,

4.) Espeonage said his role led him to believe AD was lying (not an investigation, mind you, the existence of his role). A Cop is not exactly the role I had in mind.

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Espeonage 355 wrote:Spy is doing his trademark, I'm town because tomorrow you'll see I was right today.
LOL.

Okay, this is definitely Spy.
Espeonage 366 wrote:I 'follow' someone, they go into a pool of people I can choose to 'meditate' on another night. I don't get the result until I meditate.
Wait. Are you limited by how many times you can meditate? Or are you saying, like, meditating takes a full night phase?

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Nuwen 372 wrote:Because as town he's a critical thinker and as scum he tries to be an actor. Read his final post of d1.
...so, because meta?
Nuwen 372 wrote:It's also an "easy" undiscussesd person to bring up when we have a bad claim to deal with.
Why wouldn't I be an "easier" person?

You're biased because you think Bulb is scum. Can he be bussing?

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Spy 378 wrote:AND that you've very, very carefully managed to not actually say one word about whats actually going on today.
This is a good point. This is the first good point I've heard against Bulb.

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Staeg 390 wrote:mmm are we going off the deep end
Did you bring your trunks?

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DGB 394 wrote:Are you seriously considering that I'm scum handing out dayvigs???

TOWN READ ANNIHILATED
Agreed.

This is the first time in a while that I can comfortably say DGB is town. It only took her having a non-cc'd PR to get there, but damnit, we got there.

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FG 395 wrote:A theory I entertain is of a scum inventor who's forced to give out inventions to town only.
And so she gives out a day vig... to kuribo...? :?

Trust me, DGB doesn't have to work incredibly hard to get kuribo's love (no offense, kuribo).
FG 398 wrote:If anything, the above means she's likely town.
Make up your mind, kid!

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I don't need to read Nuwen's because I am in the Espeonage-is-more-likely-to-be-scum camp given what her and Spy have said.

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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:30 am

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In post 402, Nuwen wrote:The breadcrumb - yep. Espeonage definitely planned to claim cop at some point.
i might be in the minority, but i don't see breadcrumbing as necessarily town

i mean, i breadcrumb as town, sure (or even blurt out my role outright :( ) but usually once i get a scum role PM i've already set the wheels in motion to figure out what i'm going to claim



hell, in my last scum game, i thought mastin was softing a guilty cop investigation on me and i
claimed cop before him so his counter-claim would look scummy


as it turned out, not only did he not claim cop but the actual cop didn't even bother counter-claiming
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:31 am

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In post 404, RedCoyote wrote:4.) Espeonage said his role led him to believe AD was lying (not an investigation, mind you, the existence of his role). A Cop is not exactly the role I had in mind.


oh shit, i had forgotten that
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:33 am

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In post 404, RedCoyote wrote:Trust me, DGB doesn't have to work incredibly hard to get kuribo's love (no offense, kuribo).
DGB knows that if she's scum, it'll take me at least two or three days to figure it out and she can just kill me before then


when I start reading her town, it comes at great cost to myself


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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:33 am

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In post 404, RedCoyote wrote:
Nuwen 372 wrote:Because as town he's a critical thinker and as scum he tries to be an actor. Read his final post of d1.
...so, because meta?
Because Staeg is my lovechild. He's a stronger townread than, say, Reck who is coasting and FakeGod who is currently lynching town and Espeonage whose claim is bad and Bulbz who is also lynching town and DGB who is ???? rainbows.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:35 am

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and look at espeonage begging the town to lynch me if I shoot him



1) we all know THAT shit ain't gonna happen, even if he was town

2) i don't take threats well
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:40 am

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One other thing that I saw but forgot to point out in my post:
In post 305, Fate wrote:
RedCoyote (4): Fate, xRECKONERx, DGB, Katsuki
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Yes.
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:09 am

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Wait, fuck, this is the game where RC was scum and is still alive? Whew boy. Why didn't that lynch happen, again?
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:09 am

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In post 403, Nuwen wrote:Reck stop being afk
this is scummy
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:11 am

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CAN WE
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FUCKING LYNCH A CLAIMED COP

i dont give a flying fuck if it's a fakeclaim or not, it's a solid enough claim WITH BREADCRUMB to warrant a pass for a night or so, we don't continue pushing it

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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:12 am

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RC/SpyreX/Nuwen for ezdunks

game's probs not ezdunks but I can dream
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:16 am

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Idk man I'm still waiting to hear those gunshots
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:17 am

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FUCKING GODDAMMIT I JUST SUBMITTED A POST AND IT SAID SERVER COULDN'T BE FOUND THEN TOOK ME BACK TO THE SPLASH PAGE

fuck it, it was all a summary of why Ansuz was the kill (because he's a threat) over other juicy N1 kill targets, and it came down to some of those N1 threats must be scum and Nacho must've elevated that slot's play above the other potential threats somehow
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:22 am

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Reck is scum. Nacho's only definite read was that Reck was scum.

The post submitted thing is bullshit because I know Reck uses Chrome, and Chrome caches all forum posts when you press "back."
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:55 am

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I see you,posting in the commune thread

Why aren't you talking to me? Waiting to see if people just ignore my read? Can't think of another excuse to cover your lie about losing a post?
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:04 am

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In post 417, Nuwen wrote:Reck is scum. Nacho's only definite read was that Reck was scum.


Reck is scum. Nacho's only definite read was that Reck was scum.
I thought about that too, and very nearly shot reck before I even posted in the thread
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:05 am

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come to think of it there's a good chance i'll shoot one of my null reads
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:06 am

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In post 410, RedCoyote wrote:One other thing that I saw but forgot to point out in my post:
In post 305, Fate wrote:
RedCoyote (4): Fate, xRECKONERx, DGB, Katsuki
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Yes.

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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:35 am

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I think Actiondan's role was to become Fate or something. His posts were all edited towards the end of the day, and I think Dan was the one voting for Rc.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:37 am

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In post 417, Nuwen wrote:Reck is scum. Nacho's only definite read was that Reck was scum.

The post submitted thing is bullshit because I know Reck uses Chrome, and Chrome caches all forum posts when you press "back."
yes i shot nacho to get him off of my back when he said "oh this could just be RVS stuff and youll be clearly town day two" then specifically brought up nacho's potential kill reasons which would draw attention to the fact that he was my only detractor

you've figured it out nuwen
In post 418, Nuwen wrote:I see you,posting in the commune thread

Why aren't you talking to me? Waiting to see if people just ignore my read? Can't think of another excuse to cover your lie about losing a post?
omg i was playing video games / purchasing brewery tours / taking my dogs out for 30 minutes instead of f5ing a game im not particularly interested in atm
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:38 am

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In post 417, Nuwen wrote:The post submitted thing is bullshit because I know Reck uses Chrome, and Chrome caches all forum posts when you press "back."
i didnt press back though, i clicked the link in the middle of the page that said "could not find server" and it took me to the ms.net splash page
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