Destiny Mafia II: The Rule of Fates [Endgame]

[RedCoyote]

One more phone post then I must stop. Whoever implied that breadcrumb was staged from the outset was dead on right.

Spy/RECK, when you are a Cop, you do not flip your shit and act like a loon based on some hunch. He should've played it down calmly and investigated him over night if he still wasn't satisfied at the end of the day.

You don't do what Espeonage did yesterday as a Cop. I don't care if he left breadcrumbs or bread loaves. I don't buy it. It doesn't smell right.

P-edit: RECK, you aren't going to sell a meta case to Spy, silly.

[xRECKONERx]

No, when I'm a power role, I get angry if a single person wants to lynch/kill me and I blow my fucking lid.

[xRECKONERx]

dgb up on the scumlist now

[Nuwen]

A little calmer

DGB could just sit back and let us tear each other to shreds if she were scum. Ditto RC Instead they're refocusing on prior reads and not going with the momentum of a 1v1-y situation.

[Espeonage]

The miller drawback makes me think it's supposed to be a safeguard against too much positive feedback for town.

I'm going to summarize my thoughts on Espeonage so people can follow along:

Spoiler: long

• The hammer - Impulsive above all else and the rationale about why he did it didn't make sense. Anyone can do something sudden and be unable to explain it properly. Said that his role made ActionDan's more likely to be scum, lynched ActionDan because his lack of fullclaim was scummy in his eyes.
  
• Not full-claiming... if ActionDan's lack of fullclaim was scummy, I don't really see how town turns around and does the same thing. This betrays a lack of
  internal consistency
  to me, which is the thing I find scummiest of all. Even if town aren't aware of it, town usually maintain an internal narrative that accounts for their actions and deductive processes. Scum break the consistency mold because they often just need to achieve some end (like lynching ActionDan, or not getting lynched/shot himself)
  
• The investigate target: Kuribo

  I will literally tear through each and every one of you to get at him tomorrow
  
  
  One of espy's white knights is scum, regardless of his alignment

  Espeonage agrees that scum are among the people defending him,
  but seeds an investigation on Kuribo
  ? This is another reason why his claim is
  convenient
  rather than
  consistent
  .
  
  
• The breadcrumb - yep. Espeonage definitely planned to claim cop at some point.
  
• The way things played out - I expect scum w/ laid breadcrumbs to also have a claim prepared, which is the opposite of the way things played out. The scum perspective would want to smoothly claim out full flavor, results, etc. However I think the 'responsiveness' of Espeonage's claim could also be explained by him having time to make it up - it's possible that his original claim didn't fit the gamestate and he needed to edit it, and decided to make the role pin Kuribo's shot in place until tomorrow.

Espeonage if you claimed ANY FLAVOR AT ALL I missed it so full everything now plz

Lone Wolf, aspect of fate.

In my charging part it specifically says that I follow the person. And specifically says this fuels my ability.

In my second bit, specifically says mediatate on them and I get either Aspect of Fate or Not Aspect of Fate.

As for the not adding up with AD, my annoyance with him about the lack of fullclaim was in relation to the lack of clarity on the not entirely positive outcome. Not about the flavor.

[Espeonage]

@RC: Meditating takes a full night phase.

[Espeonage]

4.) Espeonage said his role led him to believe AD was lying (not an investigation, mind you, the existence of his role). A Cop is not exactly the role I had in mind.

oh shit, i had forgotten that

I don't actually remember doing that.

[Espeonage]

4.) Espeonage said his role led him to believe AD was lying (not an investigation, mind you, the existence of his role). A Cop is not exactly the role I had in mind.

oh shit, i had forgotten that

I don't actually remember doing that.

As far as I can recall I said his role makes sense because it shares charging with mine. But the idea that is was a scum role was entirely independent.

[kuribo]

No, when I'm a power role, I get angry if a single person wants to lynch/kill me and I blow my fucking lid.

I don't get people who say they play power roles differently


Short of claiming outright unbidden for no reason, I play mostly the same as a power role and as a VT

unless someone gifts me a dayvig gun, in that case I wave my gun around as if it were an extension of my own penis

[Espeonage]

One more phone post then I must stop. Whoever implied that breadcrumb was staged from the outset was dead on right.

Spy/RECK, when you are a Cop, you do not flip your shit and act like a loon based on some hunch. He should've played it down calmly and investigated him over night if he still wasn't satisfied at the end of the day.

You don't do what Espeonage did yesterday as a Cop. I don't care if he left breadcrumbs or bread loaves. I don't buy it. It doesn't smell right.

P-edit: RECK, you aren't going to sell a meta case to Spy, silly.

Have you seen me? I play every game like a VT, because I am not nearly a good enough player to change anything because of a role. If I could find a way to make myself avoid getting lynched to better use a power role. I wouldn't be a mainstay day 2 lynch.

[Espeonage]

Has anyone noticed that Kats hasn't post a lick of content all game?

[xRECKONERx]

A little calmer

DGB could just sit back and let us tear each other to shreds if she were scum. Ditto RC Instead they're refocusing on prior reads and not going with the momentum of a 1v1-y situation.

NNNNNnnno.

If town and town are shredding each other apart then scum will be hesitant to comment on it as it puts them in an awkward position.

DGB called us town v town because that's easier than picking sides.

RC ignored the entire clusterfuck completely.

Both of those are really scummy things to do.

[kuribo]

Has anyone noticed that Kats hasn't post a lick of content all game?

Shit he's probably town then

[Nuwen]

No more for tonight. Fresh perspective and reevaluation. Right now I have 0 desire to be talked down.

[RedCoyote]

I think Actiondan's role was to become Fate or something. His posts were all edited towards the end of the day, and I think Dan was the one voting for Rc.

Thanks for this, btw. This actually makes a lot of sense. It fits with the role flip as well as why Fate was making all of those edits. It sounds exactly like a role Fate would have in his game.

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No, when I'm a power role, I get angry if a single person wants to lynch/kill me and I blow my fucking lid.

Espeonage had exactly 0 votes on him when he hammered AD. Want to try again?

dgb up on the scumlist now

And what of kuribo's claim then? Or are you in the FG camp that says DGB is a scum inventor that is forced to give guns to townies?

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4.) Espeonage said his role led him to believe AD was lying (not an investigation, mind you, the existence of his role). A Cop is not exactly the role I had in mind.

oh shit, i had forgotten that

I don't actually remember doing that.

• Btw, the reason I believed AD's claim but as scum will be come apparent after I claim full details. But that will be even worse for town because I will die if you shoot me or not.

Has anyone noticed that Kats hasn't post a lick of content all game?

YES AND EVERYONE LAUGHED AT ME AND SAID I WAS SCUM FOR POINTING IT OUT.

See: AD, Staeg, Nuwen, Kat, RECK, DGB and Spy

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DGB called us town v town because that's easier than picking sides.

RC ignored the entire clusterfuck completely.

Both of those are really scummy things to do.

Why would she pick sides if she thinks you are honestly both town? Do you not think it's possible to have that opinion?

Also I ignored it because I don't see anything I can really pick at here. Y'all are whining about who had the latest Steam purchase or LoL battle or something blah blah blah not game related or meta crap about how RECK had evolved over the years which is all meaningless meta crap it really does nothing for me.

[RedCoyote]

You know, what, I'm actually backing off of Espeonage because I get at what he was saying in 319/507. I read it as he thought that AD was scum because he was Cop and that AD couldn't possibly have a town PR. I actually understand his point of view better now.

Espeonage, correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying you though AD was scum because of the charging aspect, correct?

Although, like everyone else has said, I will forever and a day disagree with Espeonage hammering AD the way he did, I can now understand the town rationale behind why he made that move.

UNVOTE: Espeonage; VOTE: Staeg

[RedCoyote]

EBWOP: you are saying you

thought

AD was scum

[FakeGod]

I see a lot of meta and real life excuse arguments in the last few pages, which I'm just going to ignore.

I don't really see Espeonage being able to come up with something like that as a fakeclaim.

On the other hand, I could see Fate including a role like that in this game.

[Espeonage]

Ok, so I was right. That ruins a some cases against me.

PEDIT: Kinda. I was saying that I believed his role because we both had some form of charging. But that based on my ideas on balance, it only made sense from a scum side because mine was a straight charge, not detrimental to my slot other than the taking longer aspect of any charge mechanic.

[RedCoyote]

Wait, now I am confused again. In 507, you do recognize the charging aspect of his role, but you still discount it?

So even though you agreed that the role sounded feasible you thought it would screw up the balance of the game to have a Cop role that is effectively an "every other night" Cop and a "whatever-the-fuck-power" AD role in the same town? You didn't think Fate would potentially give something to the scum PR wise?

[Espeonage]

I recognise the charging aspect. But as I explained yesterday, the method of charging didn't fit town balance in my logic.

I fully believed the claim to be true, but just not town.

[xRECKONERx]

RC hand waves the entire argument away as irrelevant which is 100% not true. This thing is still living?

[RedCoyote]

You thought a scum role was expected hit L-1 to activate his powers then?

Ehhh...

[Espeonage]

I don't share DGB's opinion this is town you Reck.

PEDIT: yes.

[xRECKONERx]

I somehow missed DGB claiming that she gave kuribo a dayvig.

Of course, this could all be one giant ruse until we see kuribo actually shoot someone.