Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Jaqen Hghar]

A Faceless Man, of course. But just now, a man is most like pretending to be a boy who would wear a chain about his neck.

[Kise]

Sigh. In all evil there is good, and in all good, evil. When a man sees all that another man does as evil, the first has bias against the second. This is known.

Who the fuck comes up with this stuff in a mafia game? This is hilarious. Easily my favorite poster im a while.

[Kazekirimaru]

This game is going to kill me. I already feel it.

The bubba needs to die, Kaze.

But so does pieguy. Think they could be scumbros?

Nah it's some shit referenced in his username. Game of thrones.

Aye, fuck that noise.

hey are you going to post those insults I threw at you or are you going to admit that you were lying

Please stop this. I'm growing irate.

...You know for supposedly having meta'd around a lot you sure have a pretty piss poor understanding of the prevalence of daytalk on this site's culture.

Eh? Who said he's been metaing?

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

Lack of nothing? I do see your points and agree. I'm wary of her, too. Mainly because I don't know what scum-Kagami looks like yet. This might be her scum debut.

mac plz listen to me. morph is scum

The hydra dissonance here is making me want to vomit. Paired with the fact that it's based in confirmation bias and petty fights that have no bearing on alignment(no matter how much you try to make it so) and I'm about ready to set sail off this fucker. I can't play around this noise much longer.

[morph the cat]

I'm about ready to set sail off this fucker. I can't play around this noise much longer

Me either, but hang around. I'm talking to giffy right now.

[Kise]

BTW, mr. "posting gimmick that sucks", I'm a guy. The other head of this hydra is female. We distinguiash that with neuter-half vs. spay-half.

A man sees. A man knows. And none of that makes you town. A man has read you often resort to calling for your friends as scum cabd. Instead of refuting that which has been said, you call on friends to pull your fat ass out of the fire.

LOL

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A boy says much, without saying. A man sees the scum have no day chat. This is just so. With his own words, a boy condemns himself.

VOTE: Morph the cat

In the bold, a boy (cabd) is admonishing his teammates to read stuff before posting and giving their scum selves over their own laziness. He would have to be sly to do so in thread, which also shows scum have no day talk. For a boy (cabd) to know scum have no day talk, he too would have to be scum. While the ones this message was to are as yet unknown, cabd slipped in a very cabd way. Ergo, cabd is scum. Ergo, morph the cat is scum. Ergo, he should be lynched.

so you can see the possibility too, morph and bubba are scum?

[Kazekirimaru]

Me either, but hang around. I'm talking to giffy right now.

And if there's a modicum of truth in mollie's words and this fight is a facade, I'm liable to set my computer on fire. That's just too much.

I just want to play some goddamned mafia.

[morph the cat]

Me either, but hang around. I'm talking to giffy right now.

And if there's a modicum of truth in mollie's words and this fight is a facade, I'm liable to set my computer on fire. That's just too much.

I just want to play some goddamned mafia.

When she gets like this, she's liable to vote a cop claiming an innocent on us before she'll re-evaluate her read. I'm just sitting here watching the rest of the players reactions to it, and taking notes. Well, that, and wondering when bork and jiffy are gonna come back and deal with her.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Kazekirimaru, a lady's suspicion on the MtC slot is based on cabd's slip, not on a petty grievance with the other half. A man is pretty sure of this. cabd's deflecting and discrediting afterward instead of just being his town self pretty much wraps that up in a pretty bow. And the conf bias comes from the jiffy third on someone they've had problems reading in other games, and he sets ablaze that which he can't read. Probably because he's so good at reading.

A boy should stay, have fun, and see past the surface to the real which lies beneath.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man sees that if bubba is scum he HAS to be scum with MtC.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Me either, but hang around. I'm talking to giffy right now.

And if there's a modicum of truth in mollie's words and this fight is a facade, I'm liable to set my computer on fire. That's just too much.

I just want to play some goddamned mafia.

When she gets like this, she's liable to vote a cop claiming an innocent on us before she'll re-evaluate her read. I'm just sitting here watching the rest of the players reactions to it, and taking notes. Well, that, and wondering when bork and jiffy are gonna come back and deal with her.

A man forgets they already expressed they were deferring to lady Mollie's read on his slot.

[Lush Life]

Sigh. In all evil there is good, and in all good, evil. When a man sees all that another man does as evil, the first has bias against the second. This is known.

Who the fuck comes up with this stuff in a mafia game? This is hilarious. Easily my favorite poster im a while.

I like his style personally. I don't get why people are up in arms about it but then I like players who are on the "different" end of the spectrum. <---- that is kind of dangerous cos scum could have me eating out of their hands just by being interesting but jaqen is IC so

[Lush Life]

Kazekirimaru,

a lady's suspicion on the MtC slot is based on cabd's slip, not on a petty grievance with the other half. A man is pretty sure of this. cabd's deflecting and discrediting afterward instead of just being his town self pretty much wraps that up in a pretty bow.

And the conf bias comes from the jiffy third on someone they've had problems reading in other games, and he sets ablaze that which he can't read. Probably because he's so good at reading.

A boy should stay, have fun, and see past the surface to the real which lies beneath.

wrt the bold: this. so much of this. like a million times over and I feel like it is poor form to reduce it to past game history regardless of their alignment.

I am not the 1 who is carrying baggage around.

it was a pretty big slip IMO and I am surprised more people did not notice it. and when it was pointed out I was met with :dinorage:

I felt like the slip was a revelation of their true motivation; it didn't feel town.

because the baggage was brought in (not by me let me point this out!) the read is a bit compromised for me. and the shitty treatment can send me in a tunnel in which there is no turning back but I am trying not to go down that route. I just want them to towntell and they aren't. they are sending out all of the wrong signals and missing all of the right beats.

[Kagami]

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

Lack of nothing? I do see your points and agree. I'm wary of her, too. Mainly because I don't know what scum-Kagami looks like yet. This might be her scum debut.

Still town every game. Rem's replacement probably proves her town.

[Kise]

I don't understand the hate onKagami. I don't know if you guys really missed it or not, but are you okay with Rem asking numerous fluff questions, mentioning his (offsite) games with Tsu in an effort to get her to recognize he only calls himself town as town and never as scum, and thereby he's wanting someone to confirm him as town, yet he hasn't scumhunted?

I hadn't notice he replaced out until an hour after I was done catching up. I started reading & posting at 1045 this morning. The mod edited the post mentioning Rem's replacing out at 10:47. Rem no longer being here shouldn't give that slot a clean slate. He did absolutely nothing to find scum and instead made excuses about changing his playstyle, then asked more meta questions and did nothing with them after only UFO answered his first round of questions.

I'm happy Kagami is showing support. No matter how you feel about her, I don't thinkyou can honestly say she's wrong for voting Rem. Again, he tries to get Tsu to notice his town tell or whatever you wish to call it. He does this instead of looking for scum.



Next thing. I;ve been over bubba's discrediting of mollie and he has confirmed it was blatant discrediting. Majiffy votes bubba, mollie votes morph, Jaq votes morph and brings up bubba as a partner. I don't think four eyes are imagining things and there has to be something there.

@Majiffy, Bubba is far from being an obvious mcscumbutt, but IMO the connections are there with him and morph, so it earns my suspicion. If I agreed with you that bub was hot damningly scum, I'd be on it, but it's not strong enough for me to confidently want others to lynch him right now.

@mollie & jaq, I'm still unimpressed with morph's reddit style posting and can vote that. Either bubba has to fuck up or Morph has to flip scum before I even think about rallying for votes towards bubba. I'm strongest to weakest on Rem, pie & morph>bubba.

[Kise]

Rem's replacement probably proves her town.

I can't wait for someone like DGB to come in and have everyone singing and dancing, meanwhile killing them off and winning the game for mafia. She might even convince me the slot's town! And then everyone forgets it was Kise who almost done something good day 1.

[Lush Life]

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

Lack of nothing? I do see your points and agree. I'm wary of her, too. Mainly because I don't know what scum-Kagami looks like yet. This might be her scum debut.

Still town every game. Rem's replacement probably proves her town.

in what way? a replace out is alignment neutral IMO

what are your other thoughts on the game? you really are not giving much and I was hoping to be dazzled.

[Lush Life]

something just occurred to me...

@ jaqen

did you know you were an IC and requested for it to be in the intro post?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man thinks Kagami is town. But only because she doesn't seem overly concerned as to what she posts or what others think of those post. A girl could certainly put forth more, but that's enough for a maybe town, yes?

Ah. Yes, but a man begged for his innocence to be kept secret until the timing was just so.

[Lush Life]

Rem's replacement probably proves her town.

I can't wait for someone like DGB to come in and have everyone singing and dancing, meanwhile killing them off and winning the game for mafia. She might even convince me the slot's town! And then everyone forgets it was Kise who almost done something good day 1.

(((kise)))

I don't like rememory's slot either. he looked really uncomfortable.

I told majiffy earlier that I thought that kagami might be bussing rem. the backpedal looks awful but it might be something where it is a YMMV (hers) so I can't tell with that.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Egopost. Ffery out, Hawkie in.

Giffy is so slow on announcing things.

[Yukari Yakumo]

Egopost. Ffery out, Hawkie in.

Giffy is so slow on announcing things.

I was getting there.

[Kise]

@Tsukasa, I like calling myself town as town. It's sort of bizzare, but I enjoy it. I'm town, I'm town. It's like I'm saying "hey guys, I'm over here". I'm not sure where you've played with me(rather, I do but I don't want you to replace out), but If it was a while ago I know I had no scum games where I called myself town as scum.

it was a bit of a trust tell at the time

. I one time denied being recruited as cult though.

AHA

[Kagami]

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter. Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness. Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

The morph thing on pie is pretty weak, I admit that I sheeped it because wagons are fun and I hadn't read the thread much yet on my opening post.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on. It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

I'm running through jaqen's argument now. I'm actually not sure I follow. Cadb says that he assumes town doesn't read the mod posts as carefully as scum, which seems silly but whatever, and misses that bubba was making a joke. He says "but you all missed it, so shame on you." So the argument is that Cabd is identifying that one of the people he's addressing is scum (which implies himself scum)? There's the off chance that he just thought that everyone but he himself missed it, I suppose...
That's the jist of it, no?

[Kagami]

You is lush, but it took longer than I thought it would to type that.

[zMuffinMan]

if a muffin was a muffin of many vig shots, a muffin would shoot a man this night