Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

i'm more concerned with him adding the sentence at all. i don't really think it was a message to his scum buddies, but i don't see the sentence coming from a town mindset.

[zMuffinMan]

i also don't like the whole "townslip" thing

but that's mostly because i like doing that sort of thing a lot as scum and i don't think i've ever seen either head of morph call something a townslip, let alone something that weak when it was obviously a joke from bubba

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man wonders how whichever manhead that is in LL doesn't see the cognitive dissonance it would be admonishing town for not reading the opening when cabd already expressed he would expect town

not

to read the opening. Therefor, a boy can

only

be admonishing scum. But how would a boy know who the scum were from town to admonish them without being scum himself?

It must be a little manhead instead of one of the larger ones

[ActionDan]

well he was admonishing town pretty clearly.

He is ashamed that town is not as good as himself.

translation "you should all feel bad for being inattentive to detail (though I expect it)".

make of that what you will. feels more like negative reinforcement. could come from scum or town in equal measure.

[Lush Life]

i'm more concerned with him adding the sentence at all. i don't really think it was a message to his scum buddies, but i don't see the sentence coming from a town mindset.

That's different than what others are arguing, but I think my explanation is most viable there - everyone (allegedly) missing the IC thing is overall bad for the gamestate and I think that is the only thing someone might be ashamed for there.

I say allegedly because FWIW, I didn't miss it. Also realize that Cabd didn't miss it either and still elected to make that argument, which speaks to me that he's excepting himself from the exercise because he knows he has a high attention to detail in every game.

@Jaqen - yes I see you've restated your exact point. I still disagree. I think Cabd said something that he didn't think through terribly well. Whoopdeeshit. If you want to insist he's publicly calling out his buddies in thread, well, you're wrong.

I also think that ffery's particular exit from the game is town looking.

[Lush Life]

He is ashamed that town is not as good as himself.

This is what I was trying to say more eloquently put.

[Lush Life]

whichever manhead

See (mostly) proper caps and a distinct lack of ad-hom? You're talking to bork.

[zMuffinMan]

everyone (allegedly) missing the IC thing is overall bad for the gamestate and I think that is the only thing someone might be ashamed for there

see, thing is, it was only a few people who had posted in between the townslip thing and that post, so "everyone" is an overstatement

him retracting it because a few people didn't catch it shouldn't surprise him if those few people are town (who he expects not to catch it)

and being ashamed that people are inattentive to detail while expecting them to be inattentive to detail still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. that just compounds my feelings that the whole sentence felt out of place

I also think that ffery's particular exit from the game is town looking.

dunno. looked a little forced, actually. didn't really see anything in your posts that would offend her that badly

[Lush Life]

dunno. looked a little forced, actually. didn't really see anything in your posts that would offend her that badly

I do - being tunneled on when town by someone who she has a history with.

him retracting it because a few people didn't catch it shouldn't surprise him if those few people are town (who he expects not to catch it)

And my point is that he's clearly not playing to a scum wincon if he thinks "welp my scumbuddy missed it too BETTER GO TELL EVERYONE". Ergo he is doing sonething else.

[bubbajack8]

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

That's null-attention, as being anti-meta is relatively null. The importance here is in

how often you come back just to discredit different forms of scumhunting.

I don't like meta. I don't agree with it. The whole point of mafia is to adapt. I stand by that with every fucking inch of me. I'm from EM. There's not TOO much meta in EM.

We meant playerlist not town -_-

... The playerlist being predominantly town-populated and those of which whom are not town attempting to blend into the playerlist

as

town.

So you meant town. And this a lie.

Wow you're dense.

I'll refer to this later.

*Thumbs up* Lookin' forward to that one!

Good.

"Please realize I'm not the only person who noticed it." I've also said "I'm not the only person posting nothing

I was pointing out more how much you keep bringing up the alignment-neutral aspect of noticing it.

Ok both are true.

I've said I think some people are town. Some players haven't posted yet.

What's to say I think everyone who has posted is town.

I don't see how that matters. You can say whoever you want is town as scum, and saying someone is town doesn't mean that you're scumhunting.

You show no signs of scumhunting.

You missed my point. My point was what if scum hasn't showed to the game yet?

MY PLAY IS MY PLAY IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS GTFO

"WTF I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS AS TOWN HOW CAN YOU CATCH ME AS SCUM"

Alright you're a meta player. Look at how pro as fuck my scum game is. Like holy shit balls. My ONLY scum game. I replaced in. But serious. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27373

I'm proud of that game. Everything worked for me. Like everything. That's how I play as scum.

I'm about 5 seconds from claiming. Do you fucking want that?

Sure. And then I'll push through your lynch anyway, because claims ain't shit but hoes and tricks.

It if you lynch a hoe with tricks you'll end up looking like a dick.

Still haven't answered my question. What does etc. mean? how is that in depth on why I'm scum? Why did you say you were going to ignore me, and now you're on my ass?

Etc. means more of your stupid Mislynch defense.
I've provided at least 6+ instances of you partaking in incredibly scummy behavior.

Bullshit. You have not provided HOW it's scummy.

I don't see how pre-game joking around can, should, or would, have any influence over in-game play.

*Joking* riiight.

But we're just back to you being mad I've caught you.

Mad because you're not thinking.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES ETC MEAN HOW DOES THAT MEAN IM SCUMMY

PEDIT: MAJIFFY DO YOU EVEN FUCKING REALIZE THAT YOURE GOING TO MAKE THE IC'S LIFE MISERABLE

ARE YOU READING?

I don't care if he's mod-confirmed town, that just means I don't have to read him.

But you should listen to him like town listened to you correct?

Confirmed town doesn't mean useful town.

TRUE STORY. I POINT TO SHURRIFF

Confirmed town doesn't mean smart town.

Shurrif

Confirmed town means I don't have to bother reading his shitposting.

This was literally me in that game. Literally.

Once again, majiffy reminding us he cant scumhunt his way out of a paperbag

Feel free to refute my arguments point-by-point.

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

You know the old motto;
If you can't out-argue 'em, try to force-replace 'em!

I take suicide very seriously. That's crossing the line. If Mac had said it, or Morph I would have asked for their force-replace too.

has an IC ever been policy lynched?

I refuse an IC policy lynch.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Such belligerent language. Sounds like a challenge.

i'd like to think of it that way, and Jiffy's gonna screw everyone on it. Especially since he's town.

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

I get defensive D1 every town game I've played.

Spoiler: Why Bubba is ObvScum

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

Discrediting meta arguments in a meta-heavy playerlist.

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

Forcing himself into the "town" herd by referring to "we".

This sentence is just bad

bad

bad.

Except for when those town read players are scum

Discrediting the idea of forming a townbloc.

Hey. Hey mollie. Bubba noticed it too so that makes him my scumbuddy right?

he also said he had no clue what it meant yeah?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.

"Please don't look at me".

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

Already mentioned this, but he's trying to leapfrog off an observation I made earlier to look like he's scumhunting, when he's not.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Idk, were you lynched? If so; then I guess it worked out great.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

Begin #MislynchDefense

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

Defensive behavior (feigned indignation) to cover up for what they deem to be an indefensible argument being put forth.

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

More of the above. Also more #MislynchDefense

It's because Majiffy no likey bubba's play.

Bring it the fuck on. This is a drastic change from you saying you were going to ignore me.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

etc.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

etc.

I refer to you my earlier comment about my play being MY play.

etc.

So can we please lynch this thing now?

Decent points. Mulling this over.

Read my reactions.

Pretty much all of bubba's 469 is "no u" and "that means nothing"s and I must say I'm not feeling good about it.

No you?

Half his shit meant nothing they WEREN'T good points.

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

WIFOM

Such a pro scum tactic.

I'm about 5 seconds from claiming. Do you fucking want that?

Do it.

Patience my young padawan. I'm not as pissed off about to do stupid things right now. I have a rough draft saved of the claim though.

I'll be back. I have a meeting to go to.

Some people have a life other then FAILING at mafiascum...

You're awful. I kinda want to see you hang.

Thank you

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

Psychobabble alert: Looks like you're trying to discredit Jiffy by calling attention to his abrasive comment.

Explained in this post.

I'm pretty set to vote bubba if that's where we want to go today, but pie is just as good a vote to me. Can I have more votes on pie, or do I need to elucidate the case on him for you slow-to-starts?

I'm a stickler for cases.

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A boy says much, without saying. A man sees the scum have no day chat. This is just so. With his own words, a boy condemns himself.

VOTE: Morph the cat

In the bold, a boy (cabd) is admonishing his teammates to read stuff before posting and giving their scum selves over their own laziness. He would have to be sly to do so in thread, which also shows scum have no day talk. For a boy (cabd) to know scum have no day talk, he too would have to be scum. While the ones this message was to are as yet unknown, cabd slipped in a very cabd way. Ergo, cabd is scum. Ergo, morph the cat is scum. Ergo, he should be lynched.

so you can see the possibility too, morph and bubba are scum?

I have no words right now.

A man sees that if bubba is scum he HAS to be scum with MtC.

And when he's town?

@mollie & jaq, I'm still unimpressed with morph's reddit style posting and can vote that. Either bubba has to fuck up or Morph has to flip scum before I even think about rallying for votes towards bubba. I'm strongest to weakest on Rem, pie & morph>bubba.

Reasons on each please.

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

Lack of nothing? I do see your points and agree. I'm wary of her, too. Mainly because I don't know what scum-Kagami looks like yet. This might be her scum debut.

Still town every game. Rem's replacement probably proves her town.

in what way? a replace out is alignment neutral IMO

Don't look at my partner Kagami.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on. It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

Agree, don't know what confbias is. I never said it was. Agree. Wtf.

i'm more concerned with him adding the sentence at all. i don't really think it was a message to his scum buddies, but i don't see the sentence coming from a town mindset.

That's different than what others are arguing, but I think my explanation is most viable there - everyone (allegedly) missing the IC thing is overall bad for the gamestate and I think that is the only thing someone might be ashamed for there.

If you're saying what ActionDan is saying I agree.

He is ashamed that town is not as good as himself.

This is what I was trying to say more eloquently put.

Then yes I agree.

I had a long meeting. But it brought my spirits up, and I'm in a better mood. I may ISO everyone tomorrow (except Lush you know how I feel about him)

[Lush Life]

I do - being tunneled on when town by someone who she has a history with.

Read Xenoblade for the scum version of this trope, btw.

[zMuffinMan]

being tunneled on when town by someone who she has a history with

...

it looks like a bit of an overreaction to being under not-that-much pressure being tunneled by someone you could easily ignore

if their history is _that_ bad, shouldn't she even expect it?

And my point is that he's clearly not playing to a scum wincon if he thinks "welp my scumbuddy missed it too BETTER GO TELL EVERYONE". Ergo he is doing sonething else.

ok. and my point is that the sentence felt out of place and didn't make a lot of sense given what was happening at the time. i'm not convinced it was a message to anybody, it just felt like it wasn't really warranted given what was going on at the time

[zMuffinMan]

what are your thoughts on pieguy?

[pieguyn]

Im not voting tsukasa am I?

doesn't change my point

I don't see how Kaze's "sour" attitude & contradictions make him a townread for you. Isn't that how we catch scum, when their logic is flawed, when they lie, when their inconsistent, etc.?

ok let me try to explain this
Sakura Hana is a friend of mine and we play a lot. whenever she's town, everything she posts pings me and we always get in 1v1s a lot. however, when she's scum her posts are like 9000x more logical and I hardly pick up on anything from her. the last time I played with Kaze (AA:MFA), we got in a massive 1v1 and he was town. this feels like it could end up being the same thing, plus he's being townread by a lot of people. I get lost enough in large games as it is and the last thing I need is to do a 1v1 that probably won't get me anywhere. also, in AA:MFA everyone besides me read him as town, so I kind of feel like trusting the majority on him is better in this scenario. I can revisit the possibility he's scum later but it's prob better to write him off as town and see what happens atm

Has this worked for you in the past? Links plx

no result. I only have one completed large game and I replaced 50+ pages in, nor did I have this strategy laid out when replacing into said game, as it was my first large
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31988

But yeah changed my mind, it's whatever.

what changed your mind?

do you agree with Kaze town?

It'd be better for you to explain your guess first and then Muffin tells you whether you were right, and (most importantly) logical. Right? So he doesn't give you a free answer.

zmuffin isn't near the top of my to-do list. I'll get back to him later

What changed your mind?

screw you

in fact theyre not even meh they're shit. FACT

which ones do you disagree with and who would you add? my townblock is v much in flux right now and not solidified, so speak up :>

So can we please lynch this thing now?

actually these points are p good. I'm thinking my townread on him might have been wrong =.=

Vote: Kagami

why?

In the bold, a boy (cabd) is admonishing his teammates to read stuff before posting and giving their scum selves over their own laziness. He would have to be sly to do so in thread, which also shows scum have no day talk. For a boy (cabd) to know scum have no day talk, he too would have to be scum. While the ones this message was to are as yet unknown, cabd slipped

in a very cabd way

. Ergo, cabd is scum. Ergo, morph the cat is scum. Ergo, he should be lynched.

explain bolded?

...You know for supposedly having meta'd around a lot you sure have a pretty piss poor understanding of the prevalence of daytalk on this site's culture.

interesting. you completely dodged Jaqen's actual point

that plus said point makes me think you might be scum

wrt the bold: this. so much of this. like a million times over and I feel like it is poor form to reduce it to past game history regardless of their alignment.

I am not the 1 who is carrying baggage around.

it was a pretty big slip IMO and I am surprised more people did not notice it. and when it was pointed out I was met with :dinorage:

I felt like the slip was a revelation of their true motivation; it didn't feel town.

it also makes sense in the context of trying to cover up said slip. "oops I slipped let's completely blow up the thread so no one notices"

well he was admonishing town pretty clearly.

He is ashamed that town is not as good as himself.

translation "you should all feel bad for being inattentive to detail (though I expect it)".

make of that what you will. feels more like negative reinforcement. could come from scum or town in equal measure.

this is what I thought it meant too. however, the way he dodged afterward makes me unsure 0.0

I also think that ffery's particular exit from the game is town looking.

explain

[Lush Life]

it looks like a bit of an overreaction to being under not-that-much pressure being tunneled by someone you could easily ignore

if their history is _that_ bad, shouldn't she even expect it?

I mean I don't know what to tell you here - you're putting forth that ffery is faking this as a strategic move and a by-product of this move is removing herself from the game?

ok. and my point is that the sentence felt out of place and didn't make a lot of sense given what was happening at the time. i'm not convinced it was a message to anybody, it just felt like it wasn't really warranted given what was going on at the time

I don't really disagree. Now what?

p-edit: Still getting caught up outside of morph-gate (You've been dealing with my other heads). I'll have more breadth come tomorrow.

[pieguyn]

@Lush life:

thoughts on Dan? also where are you at with zmuffin

@Dan:

thoughts on Kise and dramonic?

[Varsoon]

Kaze, being compared to me probably means you don't play by other people's rules, you can be nonsensical, you have crazy gambits, and you're absolutely conniving as scum.

Game pace too fast dough.

[pieguyn]

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

[Lush Life]

thoughts on Dan? also where are you at with zmuffin

Dan gets a small townread for being aligned with me on the cabd thing.
zMuffin I don't have anything to say about yet.

p-edit:

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So in case anyone was confused about where the scum on my wagon is, it's pieguy for starters.

[Lush Life]

And it's 10:30 and both my kids are now awake

Fuck me.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

...Also why are people voting for morph when this account replaced morph several pages ago?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So in case anyone was confused about where the scum on my wagon is, it's pieguy for starters.

...Also why are people voting for morph when this account replaced morph several pages ago?

Cabd signs as bad cop. Prohawk signs as good cop.

~BC

[ActionDan]

I'm sorry are people suggesting that Cabd slipped in a way in which he's posting something explicitly meant for scum to read as if he had daytalk and was posting in a scum QT?

@whoever. I actually like dramonic. and kise isn't as [insert some adjective here] as he was in LoZ where he was scum. Barely read him at all though

[pieguyn]

So in case anyone was confused about where the scum on my wagon is, it's pieguy for starters.

holy wow I completely forgot you replaced in