Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Yukari Yakumo]

VC 1.07

SXTLHGaiden (L-10):

SXTLHGaiden

UFO (L-9):

ActionDan | Tsukasa

Varsoon (L-10):

Remembrance

Lush Life (L-10):

pieguyn

bubbajack8 (L-10):

Lush Life

Kise (L-10):

Katarina LeBlanc

pieguyn (L-7):

Kazekirimaru | GoodCop_BadCop | Mac | Kise

Kazekirimaru (L-10):

dramonic

GoodCop_BadCop (L-9):

Jaqen Hghar | Varsoon

Not Voting:

Amaranth, YuniChikako, Messiah Complex, UFO, bubbajack8, Kagami, zMuffinMan

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.

Deadline: 1/18/2014 12:00 AM EDT
Counter: (expired on 2014-01-18 01:00:00)

Pieguyn is V/LA until 8th
Jaqen is V/LA until 8th

[Jaqen Hghar]

The ad hominem in this thread is immense.

ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

A man would agree, except that a man doesn't think thats what you meant.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I’m moving on re: both of you two after this post.

Innocent Child Guy:

Alignment does not equate with correctness. Nor does it equate with pro-town-ness. The most important quality of somebody playing on the town team, MY team, is transparency. That is not being shown here. You (whoever your main is) are actively playing a confirmed town role in an anti-town manner.
You are using a manner of speech that makes it harder to read, and therefore interpret your posts. You are actively shutting down scumhunting outside of your one preferred tunnel target. You are flaming fans under fires of personal grudges, causing even more noise and static in the thread for scum to hide with. You are actively telling players they are terrible for the mere act of disagreeing with you. You are ignoring any arguments contrary or even dissimilar from your own. Shutting down discourse is serving you no furthering of your win condition.

Mollie:

First of all, I have no clue why you think “I turned you into giffy” or whatever given that morph got the same talking to that you’re alluding to. Listen to your hydra partners. You’ve turned this from a light scumread on morph to a vengeful “lynch them because ffery got into a fight with me” reason. I’m not nacho, and therefore unlike Walking Dead, I was unable to give ffery the moral support she needed to deal with this game. And for that, I feel terrible. You can either bury the hatchet and move on, or continue making so much noise that this thread essentially turns into 100 pages of a feud when one of the two parties involved isn’t even in the game anymore. I know which one I’m choosing.


~BC

[SXTLHGaiden]

Ok, i am caught up, but i should probably re-read the last 15 pages (i won't say i skimmed posts but yeah...).

@Kaze: Merry christmas. New just completed scum game. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34556

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Also you're still not contributing. I don't care how cool you think you are, you've done nothing for this game to help move it along.

First of all, I'm super cool. Super Kawaiidesugoii cool.

I enjoy how you've done nothing at all as well, I've already said my piece on the exchanges early on. I don't understand what you're trying to push to me. There are a lot more active lurkers for you to pick on but I assume you're just threatened by my scumread on you. It's a big game, I'm waiting for things to pan out before jumping on the aggressive. I don't see the need to get needlessly aggressive unless someone scumslips super hard. So far it's been clouded by the entire "fuck you" "no you" "no ur mum" exchange between Cabd and co. I don't understand what they have achieved with that but hey it's there.

[Kise]

I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?

[Lush Life]

Well, that, and wondering when bork and jiffy are gonna come back and deal with her.

I offered to leave reading the slot to you.
She said that was a bad idea.
I read the slot as town.
Now I'm getting yelled at for "not listening to a thing [she's] saying".

A man can't win, sometimes.

And the conf bias comes from the jiffy third on someone they've had problems reading in other games, and he sets ablaze that which he can't read. Probably because he's so good at reading.

I'm still waiting for you to refute even a single one of my points against Bubba.

Next thing. I;ve been over bubba's discrediting of mollie and he has confirmed it was blatant discrediting. Majiffy votes bubba, mollie votes morph, Jaq votes morph and brings up bubba as a partner. I don't think four eyes are imagining things and there has to be something there.

@Majiffy, Bubba is far from being an obvious mcscumbutt, but IMO the connections are there with him and morph, so it earns my suspicion. If I agreed with you that bub was hot damningly scum, I'd be on it, but it's not strong enough for me to confidently want others to lynch him right now.

@mollie & jaq, I'm still unimpressed with morph's reddit style posting and can vote that. Either bubba has to fuck up or Morph has to flip scum before I even think about rallying for votes towards bubba. I'm strongest to weakest on Rem, pie & morph>bubba.

You agree that Bubba has been blatantly discrediting but you disagree he's obvscum but you agree he's scum with morph but you want to lynch morph first for

???

Oh right, you're probably a scumbutt too.

Bus your buddy already. Vote bubba.

if a muffin was a muffin of many vig shots, a muffin would shoot a man this night

A muffin would be a well-appreciated man the following day.

I kinda like not voting based on dumb cases.
It's a rare condition I have

Why haven't you refuted my points on Bubba, since you seem so keen to discard them?

whichever manhead

See (mostly) proper caps and a distinct lack of ad-hom? You're talking to bork.

More in a bit.

[Lush Life]

Spoiler: Big Long Bubba Response Post

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

That's null-attention, as being anti-meta is relatively null. The importance here is in

how often you come back just to discredit different forms of scumhunting.

I don't like meta. I don't agree with it. The whole point of mafia is to adapt. I stand by that with every fucking inch of me. I'm from EM. There's not TOO much meta in EM.

You're still blatantly ignoring the point.

Go read my sentence again.

We meant playerlist not town -_-

... The playerlist being predominantly town-populated and those of which whom are not town attempting to blend into the playerlist

as

town.

So you meant town. And this a lie.

Wow you're dense.

Then explain to the dense player why the dense player is incorrect and dense.

I'll refer to this later.

*Thumbs up* Lookin' forward to that one!

Good.

Still waiting.

"Please realize I'm not the only person who noticed it." I've also said "I'm not the only person posting nothing

I was pointing out more how much you keep bringing up the alignment-neutral aspect of noticing it.

Ok both are true.

Ok, so you agree that you're nervously self-conscious about your alignment.

I've said I think some people are town. Some players haven't posted yet.

What's to say I think everyone who has posted is town.

I don't see how that matters. You can say whoever you want is town as scum, and saying someone is town doesn't mean that you're scumhunting.

You show no signs of scumhunting.

You missed my point. My point was what if scum hasn't showed to the game yet?

You wouldn't know,

because you're not scumhunting.

MY PLAY IS MY PLAY IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS GTFO

"WTF I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS AS TOWN HOW CAN YOU CATCH ME AS SCUM"

Alright you're a meta player. Look at how pro as fuck my scum game is. Like holy shit balls. My ONLY scum game. I replaced in. But serious. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27373

I'm proud of that game. Everything worked for me. Like everything. That's how I play as scum.

I'm not much of a meta player. Also I don't give a shit how pro you think your scum game is.

And this is just another deflection among many deflections you riddle your posts with.

I'm about 5 seconds from claiming. Do you fucking want that?

Sure. And then I'll push through your lynch anyway, because claims ain't shit but hoes and tricks.

It if you lynch a hoe with tricks you'll end up looking like a dick.

Let me show you how much I care.

Ready?


There you go.

Still haven't answered my question. What does etc. mean? how is that in depth on why I'm scum? Why did you say you were going to ignore me, and now you're on my ass?

Etc. means more of your stupid Mislynch defense.
I've provided at least 6+ instances of you partaking in incredibly scummy behavior.

Bullshit. You have not provided HOW it's scummy.

Because it's both an appeal to fear and an attempt to discredit my ability to scumhunt.

I don't see how pre-game joking around can, should, or would, have any influence over in-game play.

*Joking* riiight.

Yes, because I knew both of our alignments in the sign-up thread before roles were distributed.

But we're just back to you being mad I've caught you.

Mad because you're not thinking.

"No u!"

WHAT THE FUCK DOES ETC MEAN HOW DOES THAT MEAN IM SCUMMY

PEDIT: MAJIFFY DO YOU EVEN FUCKING REALIZE THAT YOURE GOING TO MAKE THE IC'S LIFE MISERABLE

ARE YOU READING?

I don't care if he's mod-confirmed town, that just means I don't have to read him.

But you should listen to him like town listened to you correct?

No, because he's clearly incompetent.

Confirmed town doesn't mean useful town.

TRUE STORY. I POINT TO SHURRIFF

Tell me more about your butthurts.

Confirmed town doesn't mean smart town.

Shurrif

#butthurts

Confirmed town means I don't have to bother reading his shitposting.

This was literally me in that game. Literally.

#coolstorybro

Once again, majiffy reminding us he cant scumhunt his way out of a paperbag

Feel free to refute my arguments point-by-point.

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

You know the old motto;
If you can't out-argue 'em, try to force-replace 'em!

I take suicide very seriously. That's crossing the line. If Mac had said it, or Morph I would have asked for their force-replace too.

"Wah, I can't take being emotionally unsettled in a game that relies on reading the emotional reactions of players around me!"

Still waiting for you to refute even a single point I have made against you.

Patience my young padawan. I'm not as pissed off about to do stupid things right now. I have a rough draft saved of the claim though.

I look forward to disregarding your fakeclaim and lynching you anyway.

I'm a stickler for cases.

Yet you still haven't made a single refutation of mine, despite saying how bad it is.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on.

It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

Agree, don't know what confbias is.

I never said it was. Agree. Wtf.

Bubba literally just agreed that my argument on him was "consistent and effortful".

Fucking lol.

[Kise]

You're suffocating him.
Who else is scum and why? Excluding me tho. I know that's coming, but who else besides me**

[Lush Life]

NOTE TO SELF: START AT TOP OF PAGE 29

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

adasfiosgjasg You agree with my Bubba case and you're voting Morph for something you're not even sure about.

What the everliving fuckshit.

i refuse to read those fucking giant quote walls. go fuck yourself if you're planning to do any more of them

At least I'm nice enough to put them in spoilers if they're hueg.

Vote Bubba.

pieguy, Remembrance,

bubba,

Kagami. How's that sound? Those are my scumreads. And you know what? Many of them all decided it'd be a novel idea to vote Cabd within a span of like three fucking hours! Dat wagon. How's that for you, eh?

But yeah, can we stop playing around now? I think it's time we actually started playing this thing.

Start with pie.

I'll actually happily lynch Kagami afterwords.

Why not Bubba?

Not sure if that's in accordance with the rules, but I'll check.

A man has no honor who shares stuff outside of any game to sway his bias. A man also know the accuracy with which this slot hunts. So maybe a man should drop the huge ego and play.

Bork told me who you are.

Go fuck yourself.

I still want Kise gone, but bubbajack is much worse. I'd be happy with either of them gone. At least calm dis thread down a bit. Friendships have already been tarnished

Vote Bubba and help me kill the fucking thing already.


----
Now I have to go get my teeth inspected and then go figure out why the fuck I'm getting excessive 50Hz in my signal chain.
Toodles!

[Lush Life]

You're suffocating him.
Who else is scum and why? Excluding me tho. I know that's coming, but who else besides me**

I've given reads.

CTRL+F "{" and you'll find them.

And I don't care if I'm suffocating him.

He's scum. No one has refuted my arguments. Many agree. And yet no votes are being had. This is wrong.

Let him suffocate.

[Lush Life]

Mollie:

First of all, I have no clue why you think “I turned you into giffy” or whatever given that morph got the same talking to that you’re alluding to. Listen to your hydra partners. You’ve turned this from a light scumread on morph to a vengeful “lynch them because ffery got into a fight with me” reason. I’m not nacho, and therefore unlike Walking Dead, I was unable to give ffery the moral support she needed to deal with this game. And for that, I feel terrible. You can either bury the hatchet and move on, or continue making so much noise that this thread essentially turns into 100 pages of a feud when one of the two parties involved isn’t even in the game anymore. I know which one I’m choosing.


~BC

I never said you turned me into the gm. I never. fucking. said. that.

I am sick and fucking tired of your lying.

when a woman says no, she means no. I have asked to stop this crap and yet you continue on.

plz. I guess I didn't make it clear. leave me the fuck alone, quit trying to reduce my scumhunting to a personal grudge cos that isn't what it is about and it breaks the spirit of the game.

[dramonic]

I have no intention to refute your case, I dont have the patience to try to reason with you.

[Kise]

Scum
{Remembrance

[Yukari Yakumo]

The Chamber of Kittens replaces Remembrance effective immediately.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Hai mala. Hai Chamber.

Bork or Jiffy, you around? I wanna talk about your townblock blueprints.

~BC

[Kazekirimaru]

I still want Kise gone, but bubbajack is much worse. I'd be happy with either of them gone. At least calm dis thread down a bit. Friendships have already been tarnished

If bubbajack is worse, why is your vote lingering on Kise?

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention. If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.
Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

Eh, what was the purpose of the "If I had rolled scum, this would be fine" line?

I don't really feel any of those except Pie and maybe muffin. Why is your vote where it is?

I dunno what's up with Rem.
But since he replaced out.
I'm kinda dropping my thing on him.

Why does Rem's replace-out vindicate him?

Xenoblade AGAIN?
It's like... The whole mafia universe just switched it's center to xenoblade.
If you're basing on xenoblade again
It's not going to help.
And if it's not going to help, then that means you're not to help town
Which means, you're not town.

Are you joking?

Vote: pieguy

Hi <3

I respond to everything as I see fit. It's my way of playing. I do not use spoilers unless for cases because I don't want people skimming over it. I'm not trying to create a well built case. That's not my purpose. My purpose is to make my stance and opinions known, not to build a case.

Do you have a strong scumread? Someone you want lynched for sure?

The ad hominem in this thread is immense.

Try really,

really

hard to get your mind into this. I'm starting to think you have no intentions of doing so.

Ok, i am caught up, but i should probably re-read the last 15 pages (i won't say i skimmed posts but yeah...).

@Kaze: Merry christmas. New just completed scum game. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34556

Thank you kindly <3

I enjoy how you've done nothing at all as well, I've already said my piece on the exchanges early on. I don't understand what you're trying to push to me. There are a lot more active lurkers for you to pick on but I assume you're just threatened by my scumread on you. It's a big game, I'm waiting for things to pan out before jumping on the aggressive. I don't see the need to get needlessly aggressive unless someone scumslips super hard. So far it's been clouded by the entire "fuck you" "no you" "no ur mum" exchange between Cabd and co. I don't understand what they have achieved with that but hey it's there.

He's done more than you.

You sound frightened.

Why not Bubba?

Where are the wagons going right now?

The Chamber of Kittens replaces Remembrance effective immediately.

Good luck redeeming your slot.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Good luck redeeming your slot.

Kaze if you could stop doing things that make my shins ache and make me doubt the townasfuck read ffery left me that would be sweel kthnx.

~BC

[Kazekirimaru]

Good luck redeeming your slot.

Kaze if you could stop doing things that make my shins ache and make me doubt the townasfuck read ffery left me that would be sweel kthnx.

~BC

I has the sarcasm

[dramonic]

Good luck redeeming your slot.

Kaze if you could stop doing things that make my shins ache and make me doubt the townasfuck read ffery left me that would be sweel kthnx.

~BC

Induuuuulge yourssself
You know you want to.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Good luck redeeming your slot.

Kaze if you could stop doing things that make my shins ache and make me doubt the townasfuck read ffery left me that would be sweel kthnx.

~BC

Induuuuulge yourssself
You know you want to.

The last time I let one of ffery's reads of this strength go awry it was when my scumteam got orcinus shot by the vig. Not indulging yet.

~BC

[bubbajack8]

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

That's null-attention, as being anti-meta is relatively null. The importance here is in

how often you come back just to discredit different forms of scumhunting.

I don't like meta. I don't agree with it. The whole point of mafia is to adapt. I stand by that with every fucking inch of me. I'm from EM. There's not TOO much meta in EM.

You're still blatantly ignoring the point.

Go read my sentence again.

I got your point. I was saying I STILL don't agree with meta (Which is one of the things I discredited)

We meant playerlist not town -_-

... The playerlist being predominantly town-populated and those of which whom are not town attempting to blend into the playerlist

as

town.

So you meant town. And this a lie.

Wow you're dense.

Then explain to the dense player why the dense player is incorrect and dense.

Because You're saying I'm lying. How do you know I'm lying. It's baseless, and bullshit. You are ASSUMING I'm lying to paint me as scummy. Happy?

I'll refer to this later.

*Thumbs up* Lookin' forward to that one!

Good.

Still waiting.

It's going to be a while, trust me I'll get it in.

"Please realize I'm not the only person who noticed it." I've also said "I'm not the only person posting nothing

I was pointing out more how much you keep bringing up the alignment-neutral aspect of noticing it.

Ok both are true.

Ok, so you agree that you're nervously self-conscious about your alignment.

No. What's true is the alignment neutral aspect, and that I'm not the only one posting nothing. Where the hell you got I'm self concious about my alignment I don't even know.

I've said I think some people are town. Some players haven't posted yet.

What's to say I think everyone who has posted is town.

I don't see how that matters. You can say whoever you want is town as scum, and saying someone is town doesn't mean that you're scumhunting.

You show no signs of scumhunting.

You missed my point. My point was what if scum hasn't showed to the game yet?

You wouldn't know,

because you're not scumhunting.

And you're sitting on a bad lead. I told you'd I was ISOing everyone. Jeez.

MY PLAY IS MY PLAY IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS GTFO

"WTF I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS AS TOWN HOW CAN YOU CATCH ME AS SCUM"

Alright you're a meta player. Look at how pro as fuck my scum game is. Like holy shit balls. My ONLY scum game. I replaced in. But serious. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27373

I'm proud of that game. Everything worked for me. Like everything. That's how I play as scum.

I'm not much of a meta player. Also I don't give a shit how pro you think your scum game is.

And this is just another deflection among many deflections you riddle your posts with.

"This is a meta heavy playerlist don't discredit it"
"I don't meta"

Are you kidding? Anyway the point was, this is how I play as town, if you want to see how I play as scum be my guest.

Still haven't answered my question. What does etc. mean? how is that in depth on why I'm scum? Why did you say you were going to ignore me, and now you're on my ass?

Etc. means more of your stupid Mislynch defense.
I've provided at least 6+ instances of you partaking in incredibly scummy behavior.

Bullshit. You have not provided HOW it's scummy.

Because it's both an appeal to fear and an attempt to discredit my ability to scumhunt.

How am I appealing to fear?

You discredit your ability to scumhunt on your own.

I don't see how pre-game joking around can, should, or would, have any influence over in-game play.

*Joking* riiight.

Yes, because I knew both of our alignments in the sign-up thread before roles were distributed.

And you're not trying to find out anyone else's alignment right now, why is that?

WHAT THE FUCK DOES ETC MEAN HOW DOES THAT MEAN IM SCUMMY

PEDIT: MAJIFFY DO YOU EVEN FUCKING REALIZE THAT YOURE GOING TO MAKE THE IC'S LIFE MISERABLE

ARE YOU READING?

I don't care if he's mod-confirmed town, that just means I don't have to read him.

But you should listen to him like town listened to you correct?

No, because he's clearly incompetent.

there's something called being nice and not chucking insults at every player, you should try it.

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

You know the old motto;
If you can't out-argue 'em, try to force-replace 'em!

I take suicide very seriously. That's crossing the line. If Mac had said it, or Morph I would have asked for their force-replace too.

"Wah, I can't take being emotionally unsettled in a game that relies on reading the emotional reactions of players around me!"

What I can't take is someone would want to push someone to kill themselves. I didn't even think this comment was directed to me. What I can't take is someone would would even tell someone to put a gun to their skull. You know how fucked up that is. I've had friends commit suicide due to online bullying, and I'm not going to let you tell ANYONE that. Or let ANYONE tell someone that. I take it seriously. Now then. If you would still like to make comments like these, please leave.

Patience my young padawan. I'm not as pissed off about to do stupid things right now. I have a rough draft saved of the claim though.

I look forward to disregarding your fakeclaim and lynching you anyway.

And then looking like a d-bag.

I'm a stickler for cases.

Yet you still haven't made a single refutation of mine, despite saying how bad it is.

Make a good argument then. You're arguments are riddled with jumping to conclusions and assuming shit. That's what makes them bad.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on.

It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

Agree, don't know what confbias is.

I never said it was. Agree. Wtf.

Bubba literally just agreed that my argument on him was "consistent and effortful".

Fucking lol.[/spoiler]

It is. Consistently bad. And taking way too much of your effort.

Now to ISO's which I will put in spoilers.

[YuniChikako]

Prod dodge failed, activate prod response. Dang, I didn't know this started. I'll do something in an hour or two.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

We wont be caught up for a day or 2. Who's scum?

[dramonic]

According to?