Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[bubbajack8]

Spoiler: SXTLHGaiden

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

I like this. She asked what games they wanted, and she provided.

Ok, i am caught up, but i should probably re-read the last 15 pages (i won't say i skimmed posts but yeah...).

@Kaze: Merry christmas. New just completed scum game. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34556

She also continues providing.

And that's pretty much all she has.

Spoiler: Kagami

I'm consulting on top of my normal job this month, so work on that is on hold until further notice. I'm only really using my database to quickly find games of players who don't have wikis.

I like kaze in this game so far, though I admit to not having read the 17 pages especially thoroughly. It looks like almost entirely like fluff. The case on remembrance slot feels like it might be legit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rem-slot

kaze, can you summarize case on ufo for me?

I kind of don't like this. She says she hasn't read thouroghly, but still feels the case is legit.

She then keeps going on about the trust tell.

Words against Jaqen.

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter.

Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness.

Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

still pushing trust tell.

Cadb says that town doesn't read the mod-post, but scum do. Then says to the group of people, many who seemed to have missed the IC announcement, "but you all missed it, shame on you." This doesn't make sense from town-frame, because if everyone there is town, then this is perfectly consistent with the first statement. He expresses surprise, though,

suggesting that he's observed that scum also have failed to read the mod-post.

Expresses concern that Morph could be scum, but also say that they could be town.

And then this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Morph

It seems to me that they're trying to fit in.

Spoiler: Kazekirimaru

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

Town as hell.

where's bork
is that you bork
get in here and duel me

There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

>Past 7 votes is just small talk. and then saying this.

#250 is a nice post, get them back on track.

Commence thorough questioning of me - pretty town, just for the thoroughness.

Continues questioning others.

#519 is a good long post.

Just now noticing Jiffy is stealing arguments from him Nevertheless seems town, and I think Jiffy is town.

#552's opening comment is good (Asking if me and pie could be scumbros)

The ending calling Lush noise doesn't make sense though.

#655 is also a good post. I was going to ask what they thought of people after reading some of it, but they answered it in the end of the post.

I seem to have missed #741 and I apologize, I hope I answer your questions in this. Er it was posted just now nvm. Anyway Some of it's fluffy, the rest is pretty good.

Spoiler: Amaranth

Not here.

Spoiler: pieguyn

Everything up to ISO #7 is nothing.

Cabd what were you trying to accomplish with the metadive on UFO

Interesting question...

#365 is a good post! good questioning going on.

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

I would have liked reasons to this.

@Cabd:

are you all sure of Gaiden town? I wanna be sure he can't fake that opening as scum > <
why is Kaze town?
what's your thoughts on Kise?

@borkjiffymollie:

are you still having reservations about Kaze town?
what's your opinion on Kise?
why the vote on morph?

@Kaze:

same question about Gaiden. also, why is zmuffin town?

I like when people question.

#613 the amount of times the word explain is used is glorious.

#624 more questions.
Overall I like the questions. Once she got past early-game it turned nice

Spoiler: morph slot

Town as I've already said.

Spoiler: Lush Life

Town -_-

Spoiler: YuniChicako

Nothing to note

Spoiler: Tsukasa

Damn you guys move fast

VOTE: UFO

For being second hardest

Next to SA

Why wouldn't you vote the hardest? Hardest what?

Today has been a bad day, even my town role pm didn't cheer me up that much. I hope I'll feel better in the morning.

I don't feel so great with your PM claim.

IIRC you've done this quite a number of times. And almost certain you've always lied with this.

Links?

dram

and rem are both leaning scum

why?

One thing I hate are trust tells.
It kinda affects gameplay

or something.

And if the person is aware that he's using a trust tell, doesn't that mean that it can easily be faked?

I don't like this at all.

Near the end of the post it gets better.

Spoiler: Mac

yeah I'm reading as a go and making a mental note of reads, but that made me spit water out almost. Why would you consider that a townslip when it looks fake as fuck? And by fake as fuck, I mean it reads to me like a joke.

I can't believe I missed this.

pie's reads in #366 are meh but the lushlife one is especially shit about the townslip about IC (ill be fucked if i can remember their name) - kaze in his

TOWN BLOC

because he can't read him? hahahahaha

I can't read muffin usually so he's town!

Are you criticizing him for having Kaze in his town slot? Because if so. Wow the hypocrisy.

Vote: Kagami

Why?

What's up?

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

There's my answer.

Vote: pieguy

Firstly, his town bloc was terrible.

for now, I'll townread Tsukasa. he's being proactive early and there's also a ton of defiance in his posts that I tend to attribute more to a town mindset. I especially noticed it here

I'll also townread Lush Life for being obvtown and legitimately townslipping re: Jaqen. also bubbajack for being proactive early. I'll also townread Kaze bc I can't read him for shit and I tend to pick up on a lot of shit from him and I get the feeling if he was scum he'd be more careful and I'd pick up less
morph's frustration re: mollie feels town but idk if they'd get frustrated as scum plus I'm paranoid as fuck about them for practically no reason =.=

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

I don't like the "for now" in the first post, because it looks to me like he's shaping up change his mind later on in the game, OR doesn't have confidence in his read. If it's the former, he's probably scum and if it's the latter, why the fuck is Tsu in his townbloc? Lush Life I wouldn't mind being in the townbloc - but he quotes the "townslip" which is totally bullshit because the townslip was

based on Cabd's perception of a slip

- not his own. Personally, I wouldn't consider it a slip in any game, but that's my view. pieguy doesn't express belief this is the case, he just goes with it.

Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?

Second point is this

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

I mean I'm pretty sure pie is pretty fucking logical in games, yet this is what he comes up with? Not pushing his own reads, and pushing morph based on a slip he's not even sure about?

Yeah, right.

See bolded.

His first reason is terrible, (except the for now comment) the rest is ok.

The fact that Mac's committed some of this is concerning.

Spoiler: Remembrance slot

Mass experiment, please do:

@are you scum?
@ are you sure you're not scum?
@Are you town?
@ Are you sure you're not town?

Varsoon exempted, I don't want him to get banned again~

This was dumb yet clever.

Today has been a bad day,

even my town role pm

DIDNT

cheer me up that much. I hope I'll feel better in the morning.

No like.

Not much there though. The replace out and story involves they really were having a bad day.

Spoiler: Varsoon

Time travel, it is the year 2014.

@Lushlife what is it like?

VOTE: Varsoon

Ctrl+F: Varsoon
2 results: A vote on me and a joke about what I'm about to do
I'm town, confirming that now.
Also, OMGUS, BITCHES
VOTE: Remembrance-slot

Curious as to why you searched yourself...

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention.

If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.

Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

Why didn't you follow that order yourself.

Bolded and the I'm confirmed town

Nothing else

Spoiler: Messiah Complex

Before I get in to this one, I thought this was a player who hadn't posted the fact they have scares me.

And there's nothing of value.

Spoiler: dramonic

There's nothing of value.

Spoiler: UFO

I think Kaze is kinda townish due to early towny plays. Remembrance is null cuz not doing anything proving either way.

The only good post. The rest are just fluff and procrastination.

Spoiler: zmuffinman

pieguy scum, lush life town, gaiden town

For comparison.

Town = Gaiden, Lush hydra, maybe muffin too

Not Town = pie, Rem, maybe dram

take morph out of town reads, tsukasa out of not town reads and swap your name for mine, and this is basically where i'm at atm

Town = Gaiden, Lush hydra, maybe kaze too

Not Town = pie, Rem, maybe dram

Fluid. Still no reasons. would like to know what you think about the additions.

i know roughly where your reads stand. i don't know how you got those reads

Yeah muffinman, really.

ISO 25, and 26 actually give us something.

nothing else though

Spoiler: jaqen

IC

Spoiler: Katarina LeBlanc

Hah.

VOTE: Kise

Why?

Nothing really else except 689, and her comment with ad hom when she used ad-hom on me.

Spoiler: Action Dan

Not sure what I'm suppose to talk about...

He makes some nice points. I just wish he'd be here more.

Spoiler: Kise

186. I like.

I like clarifications.

why are you sheeping someone who hasn't explained their vote? also, why am I scum?

[/quote][/quote]
You prefaced your laziness earlier. I intended to pressure you anyway.

You weren't a scumread.

Wagons are fun and produce talk - well not really, not here. Looks like the fire was finally lit up under you but eh you're just asking questions. I like when people stand out.

No reason to unvote.

So you tell them your plan to pressure them, say they are not a scum read, and leave your vote?

480 and 481's softs

The rest is nothing.

Not sure why the above spoiler isn't working

So yeah I encourage you to read yours especially, and I encourage you to read everyone else's.

[bubbajack8]

Spoiler: Kise

186. I like.

I like clarifications.

why are you sheeping someone who hasn't explained their vote? also, why am I scum?

[/quote][/quote]
You prefaced your laziness earlier. I intended to pressure you anyway.

You weren't a scumread.

Wagons are fun and produce talk - well not really, not here. Looks like the fire was finally lit up under you but eh you're just asking questions. I like when people stand out.

No reason to unvote.

[/quote]

So you tell them your plan to pressure them, say they are not a scum read, and leave your vote?

480 and 481's softs

The rest is nothing.

Fixed the spoiler. The quote's messed up.

[Mac]

Prod dodge failed, activate prod response. Dang, I didn't know this started. I'll do something in an hour or two.

We all got day start PMs, so why didn't you know?

[Mac]

I dont know what you're accusing me on in my spoiler, bubba. Can you summarise it a little more neatly?

[bubbajack8]

I don't like some of your hypocrisy, and I did ask you some questions.

[Lush Life]

Majiffy. Aren't you just abusing your "I am Majiffy" Status?
That just because you're majiffy you can do anything and everything you want anytime?
Can you stop with that? Just this once? It's messing up my read of you.
This sensation of you being a "VERY VERY dangerous-scum"... It's unbearable.

I enjoy the constant fear having me around elicits from others.

I think Lush Life is scum

Yeah but...

wait what

?

Bork or Jiffy, you around? I wanna talk about your townblock blueprints.

~BC

I'm here. Briefly.

Where are the wagons going right now?

The rest of the wagons are shit and feel like distractions from my Bubba case that a number of people are supporting and/or at least scumreading Bubba, and yet no one seems willing to park a vote there.

Aka there's verbal support but no one will pony up because they're probably mostly scumbuddies.

[Lush Life]

Spoiler: MOAR BUBBA RESPONSES

I got your point. I was saying I STILL don't agree with meta (Which is one of the things I discredited)

That's great and still completely irrelevant.
And my points still stand.

So... *thumbs up*

Because You're saying I'm lying. How do you know I'm lying. It's baseless, and bullshit. You are ASSUMING I'm lying to paint me as scummy. Happy?

I'm not assuming shit. I've already proven that you lied, right there in that string of quotes.

It's going to be a while, trust me I'll get it in.

Yeah, procrastinate away any little promise of content.

I'll be here with a handful of rope for your neck.

No. What's true is the alignment neutral aspect, and that I'm not the only one posting nothing. Where the hell you got I'm self concious about my alignment I don't even know.

Your continued reference of the alignment-neutral aspect, and being the person bringing it up with no relevant point attached to it except to say that it's alignment-neutral.

And you're sitting on a bad lead. I told you'd I was ISOing everyone. Jeez.

Right. Looks like a good lead to me. Going to sit on it as hard as I can.

"This is a meta heavy playerlist don't discredit it"
"I don't meta"

Are you kidding? Anyway the point was, this is how I play as town, if you want to see how I play as scum be my guest.

I am not the entire playerlist.
I can acknowledge the strengths of many of the players in said playerlist without counting myself as one of them.

Also I note that you *CONTINUE* to deflect instead of address.

How am I appealing to fear?

"Majiffy lynched me as town! He can't be trusted! Obviously he's going to lynch me as town again! I'm going to flip town!" = An appeal to fear.

You discredit your ability to scumhunt on your own.

"NO U! HEHEHE I SO WITTY"

And you're not trying to find out anyone else's alignment right now, why is that?

I've posted reads on close to half the playerlist by now.

So... Another lie by the bubbanator!

there's something called being nice and not chucking insults at every player, you should try it.

Why?

What I can't take is someone would want to push someone to kill themselves. I didn't even think this comment was directed to me. What I can't take is someone would would even tell someone to put a gun to their skull. You know how fucked up that is. I've had friends commit suicide due to online bullying, and I'm not going to let you tell ANYONE that. Or let ANYONE tell someone that. I take it seriously. Now then. If you would still like to make comments like these, please leave.

I bet you think that everyone who listens to Eminem beats their girlfriends, starts packing heat and doing excessive drugs, too.

And then looking like a d-bag.

At least I don't look like an imbecile who can't grasp the basic tenets of this game and how it's played.

Make a good argument then. You're arguments are riddled with jumping to conclusions and assuming shit. That's what makes them bad.

...
I'm not sure you understand how this works.

I present an argument
You refute said argument OR You cannot refute said argument

Saying "Make a good argument, what a bad argument, blah blah blah" and not refuting it falls under the second option.

Where are my jumped-to conclusions? Where are my assumptions? Why do you find them unfounded?
You've not answered any of this.

Probably because my arguments are quite good.

It is. Consistently bad. And taking way too much of your effort.

Did your mother help you out with that comeback?

[Lush Life]

We wont be caught up for a day or 2. Who's scum?

Bubba. Scroll through for the spoilers in my ISO. Second one in says something along the lines of "Why Bubba Is ObvScum"

[Kise]

When I told pie I was pressuring him, I didn't mind revealing it at that time since I voted him long enough. The reason for not unvoting is because his recent posts didn't impress me. If you notice, I do go over his weird reason for townreading Kaze. I don't make it obvious by saying why I'm not unvoting him, but I think if you go back and read it, you'll see my tone isn't favorable of pie.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm here. Briefly.

{me you innochildthingie kaze gaiden (maaaybe desp) tsukasa}
Objecitons to any of those?
~BC

[Mac]

I don't like some of your hypocrisy, and I did ask you some questions.

Summarise them. I don't think I've been hypocritical either

[Lush Life]

I'm here. Briefly.

{me you innochildthingie kaze gaiden (maaaybe desp) tsukasa}
Objecitons to any of those?
~BC

I don't have a read on the teriyaki or Desperado.

Add the cat, Kaga (bork's), and Muffin.

[Lush Life]

Oh right you're the cat.

So yeah, just Kaga and Muffin.

[Mac]

Put bork on the line so I can talk about Kagami and how they are not town

[Lush Life]

He'll be phoneposting but he's getting on now.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm here. Briefly.

{me you innochildthingie kaze gaiden (maaaybe desp) tsukasa}
Objecitons to any of those?
~BC

I don't have a read on the teriyaki or Desperado.

Add the cat, Kaga (bork's), and Muffin.

Talk to me about muffin. Also....

Meow Meow, Motherfucker.

...I just wanted to say it hehe

[Lush Life]

Put bork on the line so I can talk about Kagami and how they are not town

Here in limited capacity. Talk to me.

[Lush Life]

Talk to me about muffin. Also....

General demeanor says he's not feeling threatened or nervous. Also makes good points here and there.

Feels solidly town, if not much for being at the forefront of the game.

Goin' to sleep. Have fun with Bork.

[Lush Life]

Put bork on the line so I can talk about Kagami and how they are not town

I actually agree with this. mac you were starting to worry me for a minute cos we weren't clicking.

anybody who has messiah as town is fucking nuts. they have only made 3 posts and not I am able to get a read off of them and I can probably read them better than any1 else on this site

[YuniChikako]

Vote: Kagami

No, I'm liking Kagami.

[More now that I'm caught up not really but I'll pretend I read everything]:

This "case" on Kagami isn't speaking to me. It just looks like a very bad bandwagon attempt that has a chance of succeeding.
---

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming.

This is a poor reason to vote someone.
---

Why is everybody skimming this game? ._.

Because most of it so far has been... I don't even know.
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REM:

"EVeryone answer these irrelevant questions! Tsu tell everyone I'm town! Okay again, more questions! Please link to your proudest scum games. Huh? No I'm not gonna scumhunt even though it's been 16 pages, peace out."

No one was scumhunting 16 pages in. He was trying to

do

something, to be productive.
---

We wont be caught up for a day or 2. Who's scum?

Start on page 28 or 29.
---

Prod dodge failed, activate prod response. Dang, I didn't know this started. I'll do something in an hour or two.

We all got day start PMs, so why didn't you know?

That was sent Sunday, and I haven't been on mafiascum (or the internet in general) since Saturday. Or Friday.

[Lush Life]

also borky and I are townreading bubba

also I hate everything in the above post

[YuniChikako]

If I'm cop or vig, I will target bubba tonight. You have my word.

I'm not getting this Bubba thing either. Or you. The only post from you that I have liked so far is the one about Kagami.

[Kise]

I get it, Yuni. You should probably chill.

If you know what I mean.

[bubbajack8]

Because You're saying I'm lying. How do you know I'm lying. It's baseless, and bullshit. You are ASSUMING I'm lying to paint me as scummy. Happy?

I'm not assuming shit. I've already proven that you lied, right there in that string of quotes.

No you didn't.

No. What's true is the alignment neutral aspect, and that I'm not the only one posting nothing. Where the hell you got I'm self concious about my alignment I don't even know.

Your continued reference of the alignment-neutral aspect, and being the person bringing it up with no relevant point attached to it except to say that it's alignment-neutral.

Others have brought it up. Read the game, tunnel less.

"This is a meta heavy playerlist don't discredit it"
"I don't meta"

Are you kidding? Anyway the point was, this is how I play as town, if you want to see how I play as scum be my guest.

I am not the entire playerlist.
I can acknowledge the strengths of many of the players in said playerlist without counting myself as one of them.
Also I note that you *CONTINUE* to deflect instead of address.

What do you want me to address?

How am I appealing to fear?

"Majiffy lynched me as town! He can't be trusted! Obviously he's going to lynch me as town again! I'm going to flip town!" = An appeal to fear.

I'm not trying to appeal to fear. I'm trying to appeal too what lack of better judgement you have.

And you're not trying to find out anyone else's alignment right now, why is that?

I've posted reads on close to half the playerlist by now.

So... Another lie by the bubbanator!

Spoiler: reads list from Majiffy

Sorry if I leave any out.

Vote Rem in 224 for "reasons already stated"

Morph vote in 307. Not sure who.

421 commence attack on bubba

Reads: Town
{morph, Kaze, Muffin, Jaqen thing}

Scum
{Remembrance, bubbajack, Kise, Kagami}

8/21 =/= half.

Continue vote bubba streak.

More Bubba

Me all the way to #485

Shoot yourself in the head comment, annnd back to bubba.

Bubba to #521

#732 back to bubba.

Bubba to #735

Great reads bro. Well done. Fuck off before I start to think you're scum. Because I don't and you're changing my opinion. And I don't like that.

there's something called being nice and not chucking insults at every player, you should try it.

Why?

To put it the nicest way I can. you're a dick.

What I can't take is someone would want to push someone to kill themselves. I didn't even think this comment was directed to me. What I can't take is someone would would even tell someone to put a gun to their skull. You know how fucked up that is. I've had friends commit suicide due to online bullying, and I'm not going to let you tell ANYONE that. Or let ANYONE tell someone that. I take it seriously. Now then. If you would still like to make comments like these, please leave.

I bet you think that everyone who listens to Eminem beats their girlfriends, starts packing heat and doing excessive drugs, too.

Mod: If you don't do something about him I swear to god I'm going to get replaced. He's making fun of me, my friends, and my family members that were affected by this, and I've had enough.

And then looking like a d-bag.

At least I don't look like an imbecile who can't grasp the basic tenets of this game and how it's played.

More of him being an ass to me.

Where are my jumped-to conclusions? Where are my assumptions? Why do you find them unfounded?
You've not answered any of this.

i said in the last post where you jumped to conclusions. Where you were assuming things and you said you had "proven it"

It is. Consistently bad. And taking way too much of your effort.

Did your mother help you out with that comeback?

I'm tired of this.

I don't like some of your hypocrisy, and I did ask you some questions.

Summarise them. I don't think I've been hypocritical either

Summary: In 464 you say "I can't read muffin usually so he's town!" Yet later when you're making a case on pie you say "Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?"

also I hate everything in the above post

Me either. She jumped on the Kagami thing WAY too fast.

[Mac]

Summary: In 464 you say "I can't read muffin usually so he's town!" Yet later when you're making a case on pie you say "Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?"

Yeah, that was a joke. I thought this was evident from the post.