Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Kagami]

Def longer than almost any post I've made, but I've been playing a lot of catch-up since I've overcommitted a bit to games and this game has had a lot to read.

[Kazekirimaru]

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter. Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness. Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

The morph thing on pie is pretty weak, I admit that I sheeped it because wagons are fun and I hadn't read the thread much yet on my opening post.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on. It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

I'm running through jaqen's argument now. I'm actually not sure I follow. Cadb says that he assumes town doesn't read the mod posts as carefully as scum, which seems silly but whatever, and misses that bubba was making a joke. He says "but you all missed it, so shame on you." So the argument is that Cabd is identifying that one of the people he's addressing is scum (which implies himself scum)? There's the off chance that he just thought that everyone but he himself missed it, I suppose...
That's the jist of it, no?

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

I find it hard to believe a meta-centric player such as yourself would read so carelessly as to miss a direct request, by the way.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Mollie that's a hydra and you probably know both of the heads. It should be obvious as to one of them at least.

~BC

it is but don't spoil their fun.

I will be right back will you be around? I have to step for like 15 minutes

Yeah I'm here for another 2 hours actually. Stuck at work with nothing but a screaming internet connection and free time.

~BC

[Kagami]

Lying about that would be silly as either alignment. The answer is that I don't think I've done that in any completed game, I usually prefer shorter posts so that people actually read them.

[Kazekirimaru]

You're acting quite differently this game. I assume you're going to attribute this to over-commitment and the ambit of this particular game?

[Kagami]

I don't think I'm acting that differently, tbqh.

[Kazekirimaru]

If you say so.

Can you explain your current vote to me? It feels odd. You come in talking about Kise on Rem and how you really like the points made there. You liked lush's push on bubba, too. But a couple posts later you just kinda decide morph is a better focus despite finding the case relatively confusing. Coincidentally, morph's wagon was gaining considerable traction at the time, so it would be an opportune moment for scum to hop on and ride the wave, so to speak. Can you talk me through this?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

In case anybody cares, that townsided as fuck micro is officially speakable about now.

~BC

[dramonic]

Kaze casting so many lines hoping to catch dumbtown in "slips"

@Lush : you seriously need to synch your heads, This is ridiculous.

@bubba: calling varsoon scummy for liking majiffy's case is... pretty dumb? You re the one who doesn't want to talk to majiffy.

@whichever-ls-character: still waiting on substance to back that vote

[bubbajack8]

@Kaze: Pie wagon too easy. There's scum on it. Nuff said.

Holy shit, am I agreeing with Varsoon?

Varsoon: Who would you think that scum to be?

Ah. Ok. I though I had seen you say who was who, but I couldn't remember.

In that case, what's your response to the IC's claim of a "slip"

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

Have you not read anything I've posted. To ask if I've been reading is literally the dumbest thing ever. I couldn't remember who he said he was.

Varsoon: wtf happened.

@GCBC, were you scum in said game?

@bubba: calling varsoon scummy for liking majiffy's case is... pretty dumb? You re the one who doesn't want to talk to majiffy.

I clarified this already. I said asking Jiffy to lead on me is scummy since I've made it clear I'm not responding to him.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

@GCBC, were you scum in said game?

The mod, actually. And as for my refutation of the inno child thing, try actually reading my ISO where I've addressed it.

~BC

[SXTLHGaiden]

Gaiden Status: 15/38. God, how are there two more pages now? (fun fact: i still read all the current stuff)
Side note: let me know if anyone wants my take on past events.

[dramonic]

@bubba: calling varsoon scummy for liking majiffy's case is... pretty dumb? You re the one who doesn't want to talk to majiffy.

I clarified this already. I said asking Jiffy to lead on me is scummy since I've made it clear I'm not responding to him.

Not responding to someone doesn't make them leading your case scummy. Heck, I should just say I won't respond to any of you and that makes you all scum by extension.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Don't you think the wagon would be moving a little(or a lot) more smoothly if it were on town? There's been so much resistance despite it being a vote from the beginning. I really feel this. I don't want to relent.

coughgcbccough a man has bronchitis.

[Kagami]

...

Jaqen: What are your thought on Kagami, tsukasa, and dramonic

Was this necessary to ask? I thought he was pretty clear there.

[Lush Life]

A man will trust Lush lady to lynch the scum later if there are too many englamored by cabd/ph. Trust a man when he says that was a legit cabd slip. It doesn't happen often and it's a real shame it isn't being acted on. What bothers a man the most about it is that if he's right, that implicates other well seasoned players because they would be more apt to skip over the opening posts because they're essentially the same most every game.

A man is just as certain on Su Casa as on GCBC; Katarina has high suspicion as well.

I do see what you are saying about cabd. I have actually spotted scummy cabd on d1 before but couldn't get it past nacho and then cabd put forth this retarded idea to lynch the mod and nacho and majiffy and every1 else were like "yeah" and of course I was nked but tammy finally wore nacho down in their hydra and kuribo helped and he was lynched in lylo.

it is a slip by definition in that I think cabd might possibly have revealed his true motivations when he said (altho tbh i thought fery said it) that scum were more likely to pay attention to the details in the op while town were more likely to gloss over them. <--- I wholeheartedly agree with that statement cos I have found this to be true. that post struck me the same way it struck you and it is the scummiest post in the entire game IMO. but trying to explain this to people who lack experience and/or have a different approach than you is very hard. I think they are possibly indie but grpscum points to kise/bubba/rememory as potential partners and tbh with game flow that is kind of what it looks like except if I turn the spin the axis in a different direction I can see them as mebbe town altho that desp town read was truly awful. I am loosely townreading kise right now, feeling underwhelmed by that kittens thing and bubba looks like lynchbait. so I want to dig a bit deeper.

what we are seeing I think is a meta relative tell by cabd and those are very hard to push through cos people don't have a baseline for comparison. and borky had a point about fery on her place out that I find myself agreeing with. so i have them as unsure but treat with caution even tho I am going to treat them as town for a while to see what that feels like.

my biggest concern is getting lazy/apathetic town to form some cohesion and get more connected to the game. I think some players are overwhelmed with the meta-heaviness of the game and that is a signal to me that they are feeling left out. <--- I want to draw them in. lets give gcbc a bit of space and look elsewhere mebbe?

my other concern right now is that we get you to a place where you have more credibility than what you have. even tho you are an IC I think you are an unlikely n1 kill only because the rest of the players of the game aren't taking you seriously. <---lets fix that. thinking we have at least some sort of protective role so lets put you in a position where they will want to protect you okay? does this sound like a plan?

what we want to do is give less room for scum to hide. <--- majiffy and I just talked about this and we both tend to think like this but with radical approaches to doing it. he has this funny idea that he is never a nk option it always cracks me up in games cos he most defo is.

so lets start here; who is in your town pile? I have heard you say kagami several times so lets draw her in. lets talk about her. I see mac's point altho she did make 1 post that I really liked. I am wondering if the lack of ontargetscumhunting is cos there is a lot going on in the game that she can really respond to. so lets mebbe resolve that?

also, bubba has not town flailed yet, that is actually the reason why I haven't gotten into a voting war with majiffy yet and he

has

made a couple of good points about bubbascum the only thing I can see bubba doing this as town too.

eta: jesus a shit load of xposts

[GoodCop_BadCop]

let me know if anyone wants my take on past events.

* raises hand *

~BC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Mollie that's a hydra and you probably know both of the heads. It should be obvious as to one of them at least.

~BC

it is but don't spoil their fun.

I will be right back will you be around? I have to step for like 15 minutes

Yeah I'm here for another 2 hours actually. Stuck at work with nothing but a screaming internet connection and free time.

~BC

Make this 1 hour minus a few minutes now.

[Lush Life]

Mollie that's a hydra and you probably know both of the heads. It should be obvious as to one of them at least.

~BC

we know we saw the email link that has since been removed. let them have their fun.

I like them. different playstyles since they come from a different site but I like them.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Mollie that's a hydra and you probably know both of the heads. It should be obvious as to one of them at least.

~BC

we know we saw the email link that has since been removed. let them have their fun.

I like them. different playstyles since they come from a different site but I like them.

I actually have no clue what their email was I just kinda guessed it from the tone.

~BC

[Lush Life]

Oh, I think Messiah Complex might be scum too.
Sorry!

Does anyone know the heads of this hydra by chance?

see this bugs me cos you know, cos I wrote a paragraph about them in that

big long reads list

I gave and my experience with some of the players! perhaps you should it.

[Lush Life]

In case anybody cares, that townsided as fuck micro is officially speakable about now.

~BC

so talk about it! I am listening.

[SXTLHGaiden]

I think my Patchi fake claim is gonna need some work now... Umm. Let's go with I'm Reimu?
yeah, no one will suspect anything.
VOTE: Gaiden
pushing the patchi lynch is scummy.

@early 300's and such.
I read the flavor post and commented on it.
why did no one see this?

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

In case anybody cares, that townsided as fuck micro is officially speakable about now.

~BC

so talk about it! I am listening.

Kagami and Kaze were both town in that game. And Kagami was all ~effort~ and it's not really here this time and I dunno what to make of it. (And Kaze self lynched day one lol but bygones, bygones) It's a short read. Micro 273: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34836 (I took over for rach as mod)

~BC

[Lush Life]

pdodge

will some1 plz vig this tia

he did this shit pikman and he was scum