Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Varsoon]

There's only one confirmed town. How do you know he's intensely tunneling on town?
The only people who would know alignments are scum and masons.
And you haven't claimed mason.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm town, confirming that now.

There's only one confirmed town. How do you know he's intensely tunneling on town?
The only people who would know alignments are scum and masons.
And you haven't claimed mason.

The fact that you don't understand this concerns me. Especially coming from you. And its probably because you are scum.

~GC

[Varsoon]

Not really, bro.
Acting like someone is scum/anti-town for tunneling you is pretty dense. You know your -own- alignment, sure, but you can't expect others to trust you.

[Varsoon]

There's things single players know and things all players know.
I know I'm town. I can claim it. But that doesn't make it confirmed.
Only the mod can confirm, via role or corpse.
Leveraging an argument based solely on your own knowledge is weak, and, ultimately, anti-town.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man will tell you

soon

...get it now?

[Lush Life]

So when dramatic (Dramonic sp?) talks about wanting you to "speak with the common common tongue" its de facto town status/a desire to understand and figure things out, but when Cabd does he is obfuscating stupidity, is using ad hom, and is faking a lower reading comprehension? Right.

@Mollie, I realize this is a convo btwn you and Cabd, but you yourself said Bubba looked like lynch-bait and I personally agree with that assessment. I don't think I would agree with a bubba lynch today.

~GC

huh

I think the accusations you are making towards jaqen are mostly made up

I put dramallama as town as well for the moment but it can change and I bet dramallama won't have to do a thing to change it will be by poe mostly cos he somehow never seems to be in that category for reasons that are explainable.

what i find uncomfortable is that you guyz are tearing down the credibility of a cleared player instead of trying to work with them.

not to mention the tearing down of my own credibility. numerous times.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man never admitted anything antitown scum hawk. Knowing a slot is scum and pushing for its lynch is far from tunneling as well. The adhom in a boy's repeated misreps is, however.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Lady Lush? You do understand now, yes? What would you rate that mummers show?

[Jaqen Hghar]

So, will a Lady discus scumsoon with a man?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

"And lo, spokith the gods of mafia, I shall grant you a scumread that the IC kid agrees upon with you"
~BC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

okay so what do you want to do with this?

Right this instant? Have them get their asses in here and play the game and see where that leads me. Three posts isn't enough for an epic "holy fuck I nailed your ass to the wall" read, it's just enough to make me go "meh if this shit keeps up it's scum"

I find it weird that you were oh so ready to put them in your town bloc but suddenly realised that they should never have been there in the first place after it was pointed out which may have been independent from my read and mac's with your own developement of that read.

Their initial reachout post felt town to both ffery and I, and we wanted them in the lower part of the block for it. Their total lack of followup AND the post by fish totally sunk it for me.

my concern is that the greatest skill a scum player can have is the ability to anticipate town herd mentality. <----you have this ability. in your town games you seem to lack confidence at times where you should have it but that is town meta.

It really depends on my partner and my "feel" for the game. Like if you haven't, go check out the Fire Emblem game. Hawkie and I pegged the fuck out of like 4/6ths of the scumteam and ate the night two kill for it. I was on epic FIRE that game. The start of this game had me in a similar kind of groove. Some games I get that epic spark, others I wallow through the mud feeling like shit half the game. (Like xenogears where it took scumsoon facing me in 3 man lylo to man the fuck up for the win) I guess you can say I can read where town is going as scum. I won't deny that. And my play this game has been such that my exit from this game is probably just as likely to come by lynch as nightkill, seeing as how I'm a stronger player that's mislynchable.

gun to your head messiah or bubba?

cos that is most likely what it will come down to. lazy/apathetic town are not complete and total derps or mebbe I am misreading things. they are players we need to bring out of their hidieholes.

I'm with hawkie here, but I'd like to add Varsoon and Pie in Bubba's play. Ffery's parting message was an axiom about townbork's day one reads and how he usually ends up tunneling town but then after that it smooths out. Bubba is kinda giving me flashed of nick's wagon in gears.

also I thought you were not talking to me so why the sudden reach out. you had to have known that I was going to ask.

Since I probably didn't make myself clear, I was done with talking with you about the now buried and decomposing hatchet. I'm not one to completely remove a townread from my "let's figure shit out together" party, even moreso when you've shown me a willingness to treat me as town for the time being.

~BC

[Varsoon]

"And lo, spokith the gods of mafia, I shall grant you a scumread that the IC kid agrees upon with you"
~BC

Why are you calling the IC a 'kid'?
Your rhetoric betrays you.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

[GoodCop_BadCop]

"And lo, spokith the gods of mafia, I shall grant you a scumread that the IC kid agrees upon with you"
~BC

Why are you calling the IC a 'kid'?
Your rhetoric betrays you.

Given the multitude of names flung by both sides in this tunnel, THIS is the comment you choose to comment upon, scumsoon?

hey quick, tell me how I'm wiggling, for old time's sake.

~BC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Yo jaqen, whoever you ACTUALLY are, if you think I'm scum why don't you work with me to "have me reveal all my scumbudies" by going to town on my reads? (For the record, if you have something personal against me from the past you'd best air it now, I really don't get where your hostility is coming from) This is my last attempt to reach out to you and diffuse this shit, you can go back to wanting me dead when we're done if you're still feeling it or whatever.

~BC

[Kazekirimaru]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

And none of those things are alignment-indicative. Cool. I like vanilla ice cream and I think Chimchar is probably the best Fire starter out of all gens.

[Kazekirimaru]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

And none of those things are alignment-indicative. Cool. I like vanilla ice cream and I think Chimchar is probably the best Fire starter out of all gens.

[Varsoon]

I'm not scum, man.
It's kinda annoying to have to deal with that as town. D:
But 'cus you asked;
Wiggle~wiggle~

You're too self-conscious, :3

[Messiah Complex]

And here we are going for the play by play of pages 1-11. I am going to try and do this in the most logical way possible, but it probably won’t turn out that way to anyone else.

First things first, I am familiar with SXTLH, Cabd head, Lush Life in its separate parts, zMuffin and Action Dan. Familiar meaning that I have played with them at least once. The rest of this group are new to me.

First RVS vote was in #11 with Gaiden selfvoting, which I hate as much as anything, not indicative of anything just personally don’t like it. Kaze also votes Gaiden, calling it a serious vote? Is it a serious vote, do you find self voting in RVS to be scummy? I think that there is a time where self voting is scum motivated, like when being pressured and “cracking” but RVS is nothing.

There is a lot of fluff about drinking, nothing that would be evidence either way.

Lots of meta talking as well. I don’t mind using meta to help form reads but I think that people on this site put too much stock in meta sometimes. Desperado and I just got done playing a game, Song of Ice & Fire, where the Alfred Borden hydra of Empire and Llmarble used their known meta to appear to be town to Tammy, Tierce and Nacho to the point where they rode that first 2 day town read to the end and won the game as scum. Even in the face of evidence and compelling arguments from a scum member attempting to bus AB continued to be town read. Good players are able to use their meta against town to put off suspicions.

It seems like people got a little bogged down in Kaze saying that he already read the games that Gaiden provided for scum meta. He points out that the only posts he was interested in were the opening ones to see if scumGaiden opens up the same way as Gaiden does in this game. I do not see what the issue people are having with this line of thought. How long would it take you guys to read the first 3 posts of 3-4 games that could easily be looked up?

UFO gets a lot of attention from a few people. I wish you guys had cared that much about me when I first came onsite. Did you guys get what you wanted out of UFO? Looks like I get my answer a few posts later. Cabd, what exactly are you looking for when diving into his past games?

I agree with pieguyn in post #111 in response to Kaze saying that there is stuff to talk about in the game so far. I don’t see it either. What was serious in the first 4-5 pages of this game? He claims that his clearing of Gaiden should be something to talk about, but he would only point to the meta diving he did of his scum games to show where his read came from. Kaze talks about pie being stuck in RVS, I didn’t realize that we were out of RVS at this point in the game.

Lush Life is weak reading Kaze as scum, why?

Not a fan of Remmy talking about how his “town role pm” failed to cheer him up. As town I don’t think I have ever talked about myself receiving a town role pm. Maybe that’s just me though. And I am with morph his questions sucked dick.

zMuffin comes out of nowhere voting, then throwing down 2 town reads. Want to give a basis for any of those reads? We played together in the fruit bowl game correct? I remember not liking you much after that game, are you going to be playing the same way?

^5 Townblock of Morph/Lush/MC, I feel like we could all hang out at a bar or coffee shop and have a sitcom taped of our lives and we would be funny and interesting and have all the sex. I think we will support either of these slot in most things they attempt to do. If I had any doubts about morph their interactions with Kise would have removed them.

@Kise

- are you trying to slander my cat friend foor any particular reason or just feel like nitpicking? I was kind of intimidated looking at the player activity and seeing morph and lush at 150+ posts, knowing most will be fluff, but there are hints of genius mixed amongst them, all you have to do is look and you will find them.

What is a Rule 12 infraction, and does that have anything to do with your pie vote Kagami?

Bubba, did you just RVS vote during your read through on page 1, when the rest of the game was on page 8? What the fuck are you doing? What would have happened if a flash wagon was going on Kase at the time you did that and you hammered without even knowing it?

Yukari I think I love you a little for taking the time to find pictures of Spanish Needles and including it with a VC.

Tsukasa I don’t like the fact that you mudsling Remmys way (not that I have a town read or anything) citing his meta and then when pressured to produce evidence of stated meta you backpeddle. Then you say “why don’t we just wait for him to come in and we can watch him play?” If you have something to say back the statement up with whatever facts you have, let the group decide its relevance.

Ok, that is all I can do in one sitting for the moment.

So far I am liking Gaiden, the slot that used to house morph (didn’t realize until now that they’d been replaced), lush, and kaze has come around for me. Those are in no particular order.

Not liking- Bubba, Kisa, Tsukasa, muffinman, and the slot that used to house Remmy. Also in no particular order.

Null on everyone else.

Desperado should be coming in at some point to go over the next 10 or so pages.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

And none of those things are alignment-indicative. Cool. I like vanilla ice cream and I think Chimchar is probably the best Fire starter out of all gens.

Actually in this case he's saying Kise town for ~townmeta~ things he sees in his posts here. But fuck you, I like my firefox.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Oh hey, speak of the devil.

~BC

[Kazekirimaru]

Eh, Fennekin? I'm warming up to it.

I'm really not understanding the meta case here. Should I?

[Jaqen Hghar]

For the record, if you have something personal against me from the past you'd best air it now, I really don't get where your hostility is coming from

A man doesn't know what you're talking about and thinks a boy has completely lost his wits. A man doesn't know of any personal anything with you and hasn't been hostile in the slightest. A boy is scum this game and needs to be lynched. A man expected these kinds of appeals to emotion (making up stuff to gain mass sympathy) to gain favor with the rest of the town. A man knows a boy will go to any length of making stuff up or worse to not die as scum on mafia. It's really sad that a boy can't just accept his fate in a game and go on with it. All men must die.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I lost my wits you long ago, that was my attempt to mental salvation. You don't intend to work with me, so I'm just leaving you aside. You can keep pushing for my lynch but do please try to actually scumhunt in between the repeated "hey lynch cabd" posts, please. Although if you are going to not engage me on varsoon, I'm gonna take it you're going to drop all suspects I agree with you on, in which case I forsee a very long and messy day one ahead.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Pie I know you're back so get your ass in here, and stop avoiding the thread. Or just get lynched. That works too.