Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

And none of those things are alignment-indicative. Cool. I like vanilla ice cream and I think Chimchar is probably the best Fire starter out of all gens.

A man is saying all of these are characteristics of Kise's town play which are absent in his scum play. A man thinks they are relevant or he wouldn't have taken the time to dig them up.

[Kazekirimaru]

So he's not these things as scum? Ever?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A boy has no vision. A man is perfectly happy to help push a Varsoon lynch. Or a Su Casa lynch. More Varsoon though. Part of his scum meta is to camp through most of D1 on a bus vote with a town who's being discredited and/or ignored (as a man already pointed out). A man even predicted he wouldn't read the accusation if he were scum and just go on posting to his agenda, which happened.

A man will gladly help a boy nail his coffin shut.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Jaqen Hghar]

So he's not these things as scum? Ever?

A man has never seen it. A man has seen what read as a forced meta immolation of it that came off obviously different to a man, but never like this. A man relents that he's no expert on Kise, but does have a measure of confidence.

[Kazekirimaru]

A boy has no vision. A man is perfectly happy to help push a Varsoon lynch. Or a Su Casa lynch. More Varsoon though. Part of his scum meta is to camp through most of D1 on a bus vote with a town who's being discredited and/or ignored (as a man already pointed out). A man even predicted he wouldn't read the accusation if he were scum and just go on posting to his agenda, which happened.

A man will gladly help a boy nail his coffin shut.

VOTE: Varsoon

Help me lynch pie today and I double promise we'll sort out Varsoon tomorrow.

Come on, guys. I'm on a mission here.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man can't simultaneously want to flay a Varsoon and quarter a pie. The two are incongruent.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon sees a man make a pathetic mistake--listening to the ramblings of a boy. The boy would do anything to try to get Varsoon lynched, because the Boy is scared.

Varsoon bears his chest. Go ahead, flay me, but know that you flay your ally, man.

[Varsoon]

But on the real, it's really fucking lame to read my entry posts where I made it clear I'm not following the game much, then try to push my uninterested meta as a scum meta.

[Varsoon]

Like, man, seriously.
VOTE: Good Cop Bad Cop

Kaze, you're cool, and I want to give you some strength and place my bets on you, but I've got to step up to the plate and follow my own suspicions.

Good Cop Bad Cop is scum as fuck.

[Varsoon]

With the failure of the Pieguyn wagon to take off, GCBC surely was looking for a different mislynch. He's been walling with the IC all day as a distraction that's largely anti-town (all while trying to dress it up as a failure on the IC's part and as a huge town effort on his own). His rhetoric has betrayed him as scum, his play is scummy, and he's a jerk.

Sheep me for great victory.

[Varsoon]

The best part of the GCBC walling is that he's been constantly trying to get the IC to vote for someone he thinks is an easy mislynch. This serves two purposes--it lets him fuel a mislynch with the notion that since the IC is on it then it's a good lynch, and to further discredit the IC once the flip becomes town. This way, he can keep the IC around, avoid getting scum-read, and make the IC take blame for his own agenda.

It's brilliant, but your plan had one hole, GCBC.
Varsoon is in this game.
Wiggling can commence now.

[Tsukasa]

P.S.S.

I'm still waiting on mr. IC to explain the thing about cabd.
I need it to progress my read on cabd and lush life.

So with that, I'll go
VOTE: Dram

A man has already explained. Several times. If Su Casa would be kind enough to hit the ISO, she would easily find a bullet point breakdown of the slip.

And your "breakdown" was crap.

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A man will break this down a little more thoroughly for Muffin

-cabd believes town would be more apt to skip the mod opening sequence
-cabd believes scum would be more likely to read the opening lest they miss something that could screw up
their game
-cabd says "You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves."

-as cabd believes town less likely read the opening, he would have nothing to be ashmed of for town missing
the IC

-as cabd believes scum should have read the opening,

and aparently didn't

, the statement of shame can only
be applied to those he's shaming. The scum.

-this leads a resonable man to ponder,

why wold a town cabd be motivated to help scum?

-since cabd took the chance to do this ITT, it further implies the lack of day talk.

So... if he's shaming scum for "not reading", how is he... scum?
Heck... Why would he even say that to his fellow scum.
Wouldn't he say that "Oh guys he's town because didn't read".

This is what I read from your breakdown.
So yeah... I don't follow what you mean.

'cause your explanation already contradicts why he's scum.

Oh look, tsukasa wants attention
@muffin: ...nothing? Pet It I guess?
Someone else asked me something I think?
Still love mai vote

And apparently you don't
Lurk fuck coasting scum.

And a man will be nice to Su Casa, but do please try to actually read from here out.

I did.
And re-reading Lush Life's post and thinking about it, he's right.

I actually missed the "Which is flawed" part.

But apparently you all missed it so

nevermind, no townslip, you're all just lazy

.

He also said, before the post in question, that there is "no townslip"
Implying that he redacts everything he said.

Which would actually make me think he's town.

Long story short, you're wrong.
And I now think that Morph/GCBC is town
And lush life is town as well.

@Majiffy

: I think your town now. Please continue using your Majiffy status. <3

Your other heads and previously mentioned items are the ONLY things keeping you in my town slot.

This is interesting, considering the only stated reasons you've given for townreading our slot are

my

actions.

Seems a bit like you're trying to change your story.

No. You're being a dick. A town dick. Already stated. Read more.

And now you're attacking the IC, Jesus.

Jaqen: What are your thought on Kagami, tsukasa, and dramonic

Because the IC is wrong.
Heck if I didn't re-read the opening post because of all that has happened, I'd be saying he's scum.

Jaqen: What are your thought on Kagami, tsukasa, and dramonic

A man has said but will again

Kagami town
Su Casa scum
Dramonic is probably town, as much as that irks a man, but he is doing naught but complaining about irrelevancies

How is kagami town?
How is dram town?
The "naught but complaining about irrelevancies" part. How is that town? It doesn't make sense.
Are you a fake IC?

[Tsukasa]

@People who think Cabd was scum because the IC said so:

Do you agree with the IC?
Did you agree with him because he's an IC?
Did you agree with him because his reasons where correct?
Did you actually read the stuff in relevance to the reasons?

'cause I REALLY don't see how it's a valid reason.
And I'm starting to think people who bought the reasons mentioned by the IC is scum, due to opportunistic stuff.
Pieguy and Kagami especially

[Varsoon]

Pieguyn's play has been admitted as weak by even Pieguyn. He's an easy target, and the votes on the Pieguy wagon reflect people noticing and pushing that. I mentioned this, noticed it, and that's when GCBC decided that I was a threat. He's made me his foe, and has been rallying for my lynch while still sitting on the Pieguyn wagon. He's in the buttery part of that wagon too, right where scum has a good opportunity to jump on and avoid the blame for hammering AND starting the wagon, all while seemingly presenting a case. Pieguyn's not even around to respond to the 'pressure' that GCBC has retconned his push to represent (as seen in the recent posts by GCBC). All of this points at scum who's holding out of the mislynch of the day (Pieguy) while rallying for another in case that goes tits up. Why not just get off the pie wagon to vote me and push a case on me if I'm his scum-read? Once again, GCBC is being scummy with his voting and is trying to get others to start the push and votes, so he can slide on in a way that won't reflect poorly on him once I flip.

Like I said, clever--but not enough to slip by me.
See, that's the most beautiful thing about the uninterested gambit. I can wait for a scummy player to push for my lynch for scummy reasons--they're silly and somehow think I haven't been reading, or that I won't put up a fight or counter-case. You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

By the way. As of my 35ish completed games here there are two, and exactly two, players that when town can read me perfectly. Mollie and (as of about ten games ago) Sakura Hana. That's it. Ffery can't do it. Nacho can't do it. Hawkie can't do it. Waynegg can't do it. (BTW waynegg I know it's you now, you can stop bothering to hide it now, you slipped some info only you'd know about me) Mollie always, given time, gets my alignment right. Sakura's usually quicker at it, but mollie has a better track record. There's a reason my nightkill out the gate was mollie in We the Purple. I'd rather deal with a nacho-tammy hydra than mollie/anything correctly pegging me 10 times out of 10. She got me right in red wedding, she got me right in xenoblade, she got me right in xenogears. If she decided in the end that I am scum, then I will rejoice I have finally been misread and can contently NOT panic when I draw scum against her again. (Well that and give sakura a "you're the only one" trophy or some shit like that.) That is my faith in mollie-town AND her ability to read me.

~BC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Oh look a varsoon wall in my p-edit. So given the inno child also finds you scum, he''s scum too right? And the fact that I somehow got there first means.... what, exactly? That i'm so scum I think just like confirmed town does?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

Also when you pad your posts with literally 100% useless shit fluff like this, do you expect your post to somehow be more convincing? Or larger? Or, you know, less damning?

Oh hey look I can do it too~

[Varsoon]

GCBC, that's no good indicator of your alignment. Just like a trust-tell (something that I have extensive experience with), it's only good until you abuse it, when it's great. How do I know you're not cashing in on your 'mollie-always reads me correctly' card in this game? I don't. Therefore, it's worthless as a strategy and only works to leverage you power against scrubs. Why would you want to leverage that sort of power, or convince us that you're town in such a way?
Town wouldn't need to. Scum would.

Wiggle~Wriggle~


P-EDIT: Never said that the IC is scum--that's another misrep there.
In fact, your entire reply reeks of not actually following the argument I put forward and/or an attempt to trivialize it.
Why would you want to not actually read my argument or trivialize it?
Because you're scum.

Wiggle~

P-P-EDIT: More discrediting/trivializing. Every word serves a purpose. You forgot that. That's why your rhetoric has betrayed you.

[Varsoon]

It's so fucking obvious that you're scum that it's physically painful to exist in a world where you aren't lynched.

[Varsoon]

You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

Also when you pad your posts with literally 100% useless shit fluff like this, do you expect your post to somehow be more convincing? Or larger? Or, you know, less damning?

Oh hey look I can do it too~

Another note on this--chill out. It's a game. Of course I'm going to have fun with it. All words serve a purpose, but more than that, if you consider flavor, asides, and anything not wholly related to 'the game' to be '100% useless shit fluff'--keep it to yourself. Elitism has its place, but we're playing a party game on a forum with a little noose and a gun in the banner. Relax.

[Varsoon]

For the sake of my sanity and to do right by you, I'm going to assume you're playing the role of a total bastard because you're trying to discredit and trivialize my arguments.

[Varsoon]

Because I don't deny my opponents agency.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

GCBC, that's no good indicator of your alignment. Just like a trust-tell (something that I have extensive experience with), it's only good until you abuse it, when it's great. How do I know you're not cashing in on your 'mollie-always reads me correctly' card in this game? I don't. Therefore, it's worthless as a strategy and only works to leverage you power against scrubs. Why would you want to leverage that sort of power, or convince us that you're town in such a way?
Town wouldn't need to. Scum would.

Not quite the same. Unlike your past self, I am perfectly willing to burn the very floor I stand on for a scum win. I've done just about everything on the books. A trust tell is where you make a behavvior to confirm yourself as town to the intentional detriment of your scumgame. What I'm doing now is nothing like a trust tell. What i'm dooing now is citing fact. But hey, you're a motive guy, right? Mollie has called my slot scum several times over this game. So, if shes scumreading me, and I'm scum, I'm stating that her read on me will be correct by the end of today.... why, exactly? What''s my motive? To pray to Arceus that she will 180 her read? With a good percentage of the player base townreading me?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Oh and wayne, I don't have a way to rolecard clear myself this time so we can get directly to the POEing the fuck out of scum, sorry. You'll have to settle for slowly warming up to me, or having a town PR take care of it for us. If it helps, I do have an interesting observation i'd prefer to use our mutual..... past... to crumb to you and only you, since you might outlive me.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Off to bed, but all the unsigned stuff this evening has been ~BC