Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Kalimar]

@lucky: not a defence of you, more an attempt to gauge ETL's thought process on the matter. content is subjective but to me refers to the assertion and discussion of posts and opinions that advances the gamestate. i have not asserted or discussed a large amount of posts and opinions in this game, and neither has DP. this wasn't my main problem with DP's vote of me: rather I found it hypocritical (and therefore scummy) that someone who has done next to nothing votes me primarily for doing next to nothing.

i'm decently satisfied with ETL's reasoning on her lucky scumread and cop choice. although i think making the second choice cop contingent on another n1 cop existing was a bit odd i'm not sure it's scummy odd just odd.

[Kalimar]

@zebe: holidays, general lurking tendencies and being disengaged from this game have contributed to me being lurky in this game.

i don't think DBK nightkill speculation is going to lead anywhere useful. if you can explain to me why it might and i agree with your reasoning i will do so for you, however.

[Kalimar]

Zebe and Dr Pepper stayed resolutely on DBK.
ETL, Mr Blonde and Lucky stayed resolutely on Cheery.

Not sure if this essentially proves my case wrong with Zebe/ETL being there, but worth a discussion at least. and again means that we have to discuss the possibility of ETL/Zebe being scum together.

Vote for now is based on the above, his lack of anything else yesterday and a horrible vote on Kalimar today who looks town to me based on yesterday.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Why does Kamilar look town to you? And why is his vote on Kalimar worse than smudger or bb's vote on kalimar? BB, who you were gunning for yesterday?

basically two dreadful votes.

here is a question. if your day one gambit was so obviously town, why are you still alive?

Why is a kalimar vote dreadful? I think it's a wonderful vote.

mainly his 417, where he arrived at some similar conclusions to me, particularly on Aptil. However, I agreee with BB that Aptil's 791 was good,

although possibly stating the obvious? It did seem helpful though.

Vote was on Dr Pepper for a combination of reasons as per above. Could easily get on a Smudger vote though, BB now to a lesser extent.

it was stating the obvious. of course a cop with a result is going to claim, why wouldn't they?

i can sort of jive with the idea of scum not necessarily wanting to fakeclaim this early, but that's more a high risk-reward thing. the average scumplayer won't play to subvert expectations, so it makes sense heuristically that a fakeclaim would come later.

[Lucky2u]

Of course I can. I'm waiting for everyone to post today. Some haven't.

You can see scum reasoning behind false N1 claim of cop yet demanded to be conftown multiple times.

Tammy it makes sense to me and was part of why i chose zebe instead.

Why did Bo's kill make sense to you?

Because if I were scum, it's exactly the kill I'd make. He was under heavy suspicion yesterday, and one of the two leading wagons. Considering there are multiple cops, it's not as easy to pin down who to take out. Instead, it's easier to assume the cop would investigate the second leading wagon, and kill that person instead (if they are town), possibly removing a confirmed town for the next day and setting someone up for a mislynch when they claim an innocent on the dead person.
I'd be more suspicious about bo today had he survived.
Fwiw, I wanted to avoid explaining this until later, but with the number of conftown and almost conftown, we'd have to be really bad to lose this.

If you were scum that's exactly the kill you would make... *sigh* Instead of this sentence... why not "I see my scum suspects making that kill". Scum isnt suppose to be you right? So why does it matter what kill you would make. You think I am scum, so what kill do you think I would make?

I am sure they did not expect me to investigate anyone other than bo which is why lucky's immediate attempt to neutralize me is so damn scummy. Boro is less so. He at least tried to ask questions. Smudger's votes yesterday were opportunistic as fuck but he has yet to appear.

No ETL.... I was not trying to nuetralize you. I am just trying to poke holes in someone's defense who claims they are conftown with no right to do so.

[Zebe]

Essentially prod dodging... School keeping me busy until tomorrow.

One does not simply claim to be conftown. Copclaims should be questioned always.

@Kalimar: K. I don't need to delve deeper into the NK related things, just simple opinion was enough.

[Tammy]

I don't have much to add really, so this is essentially a pre prod-dodge. Waiting to see Mr. Blonde's replacement and I still think Kalimar and Smudger are good votes.

Also wainting to hear from Dr. Pepper. I get the votes on him, but he's such an easy mislynch that I'll wait to see what he brings.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I never claimed to be conftown. I am going to evaluate scum activity from the point of view that makes sense for scum. The Bo kill makes sense to me,

because

it's what I'd do as scum. Somebody asked me why it made sense; I answered.

The real question is, why are you trying to "poke holes" in my claim, instead of questioning me about my reasoning, like others have been doing? That's the fucking point I have been making the people seem to be missing.

Your entire motivation is to "poke holes" (i.e. DISCREDIT) in my claim, whereas others motivation is to determine if it's true or not by asking questions about the choices I made. Scum want to "poke holes"; they don't care about the reasoning. Just like you don't care about the reasoning.

Lucky is scum, and needs to be lynched.

[Lucky2u]

What you see as poking holes, is my way of getting to the truth of things. If you cant fill the holes I am making, then there is a problem. So stop spending 75 percent of your replies to me trying to get me to stop.

... On an unrelated note, Tammy... You have nothing to talk about at all? Let me go through your iso and see if I can't find some things we can discuss...

[Tammy]

... On an unrelated note, Tammy... You have nothing to talk about at all? Let me go through your iso and see if I can't find some things we can discuss...

Nope! But have fun with that. You'd do better, if you're town, to actually read through the game and stop stretching to post content.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I am just trying to poke holes

in someone's defense

[BBmolla]

Good with where this game is going

yay

[Smudger]

ETL states she is not conftown, but then Lucky seems to think ETL made such a statement, which she actually did, but not directly 764 this sort of sets the thought that ETL does in fact regard herself as confirmed town.

ETL basically set up the 1 v 1 she is having with Lucky through her own invite for Lucky to do so 766 and Lucky went for it. I don't see what Lucky is doing as being of particular issue, what is wrong with looking for holes, or gaps in someones argument? nothing at all, ETL you asked for it and Lucky has obliged you. But then Lucky is not being consistent as ETL has pointed out.

BB you still have more to say or is that just it for now?


isn't this stating the obvious?

can sort of jive with the idea of scum not necessarily wanting to fakeclaim this early, but that's more a high risk-reward thing. the average scumplayer won't play to subvert expectations, so it makes sense heuristically that a fakeclaim would come later.

currently my thoughts are Lucky or DP are scum with a smudge of doubt on BB now.

VOTE: Lucky2

had my vote here yesterday going back here for the same reasons and for content today and what is a pointless argument with ETL.

where is Mr Blonde?

[DoctorPepper]

Why Kalimar? He pretty much just deflected my suspicion with a discredit of "you didnt do anything wither"

[BoroPhil]

ETL, you should be concerned that Smudger is agreeing with you.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: smudger

You say our fight is pointless and you have no problems with me and then vote me for reasons you don't want to state again in detail. I'm good with smudger.

[anorway]

Deadline: (expired on 2014-01-18 19:00:00)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.3

[L-6] Mr_Blonde
[L-6] Zebe
[L-6] Tammy
[L-6] BBmolla
[L-6] BoroPhil
[L-6] EspeciallyTheLies
[L-6] aptil
[L-5]

Smudger

: Lucky2u
[L-4]

Lucky2u

: EspeciallyTheLies, Smudger
[L-3]

Kalimar:

DoctorPepper, BBmolla, Tammy

[L-2]

DoctorPepper:

Kalimar, BoroPhil, Zebe, aptil

Not voting (1): Mr_Blonde

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ETL, you should be concerned that Smudger is agreeing with you.

Why? He spent half his post discrediting me and then saying he agrees and votes lucky. Thats not a town post and if he wants to help me lynch his partner idgaf.

[anorway]

Fusion replaces Mr_Blonde.

aptil has been prodded.

[Fusion]

Hi. I am in the process of catching up. I'll post my thoughts later today.

[BBmolla]

BB you still have more to say or is that just it for now?

I kind of think the lucky wagon sucks, and that we should lynch Kalimar instead.

[Fusion]

I have about 5 solid townreads upon my first readthrough of the thread. I can post them now if you want to discuss or just wait till tomorrow until I finish reading through ISOs of the remaining players so I can post a full list of reads.

[Smudger]

ETL, you should be concerned that Smudger is agreeing with you.

Why? He spent half his post discrediting me and then saying he agrees and votes lucky. Thats not a town post and if he wants to help me lynch his partner idgaf.

I disagree with you and you know what I have pointed out in that post regarding your statements is in fact a truer representation of what was actually said. there are holes in what you have said, if you want to consider it discrediting you then fine, but bottom line it is a statement of fact and your dismissal of it is either arrogant or anti town, based on my read of you so far I think its arrogance, so by all means continue with that approach and point out where they are not.

I remain with the thought that Lucky is scum, he was a D2 vote four me and is now.

[aptil]

I was not feeling well yesterday so could not log in . Will post in a few hours .

[Kalimar]

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[Lucky2u]

I have about 5 solid townreads upon my first readthrough of the thread. I can post them now if you want to discuss or just wait till tomorrow until I finish reading through ISOs of the remaining players so I can post a full list of reads.

That's an unusual amount of solid town reads. You have no doubts about any of them?