Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Kazekirimaru]

Bah. I misread your post.

This is why I'd prefer it if you'd come out of character.

Feel free to claim I slipped, though.

[pieguyn]

I'M BACK
I'M READY TO KICK ASS
LET'S GO

[Jaqen Hghar]

I'M BACK
I'M READY TO KICK ASS
LET'S GO

Vote GCBC

[Kazekirimaru]

I'M BACK
I'M READY TO KICK ASS
LET'S GO

Start by explaining why you left this game in particular when the fires were getting turned up beneath you.

[pieguyn]

Nue blast explod
VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc

fake

You have exactly ten pages to be obvtown before bad things happen.

do you know this person?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

Mental note for later about this being an exact play I did on day one as scum in AMOL to lynch milkshake.

? do you detect potential foul play here?

sees some reads (Cabd's pressure and Kaze's meta)

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

was this a serious vote?

follow up on Kaze. this is like good early thinking. I could totally see town-Dan's first major priority being to sort Kaze, being unsure bc of the meta and this reflects that

So I didn't get much out of reading the last pages.

But I generally have vague feelings like ~identical to everything Muffin posts. Except I don't read Pie or anyone else as scum.

lack of scumreads indicates feeling lost which I tend to empathize with

this game has too much of the following

Spam
5 stacks of quote pyramids
point quote point quote point ad infinitum
meta

please no more

I can also empathize with this

[pieguyn]

nothing interesting in Amaranth's ISO so far

someone tell me if jiffy's case on bubbajack is still good

[Amaranth]

Stop doing ISOs. Why did you leave?

[Kazekirimaru]

Woah, Beetlejuice.

[pieguyn]

There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

can you tell me what it is

I haven't put on my pink srsbsns mob cap yet so I haven't been paying attention sry

Next time you see beast charizard, ask him if he remembers getting fucking owned by cabd back on pokegym's 20 player game.

It's cute because most of the players there are ones that learned back in the glory days of pokegym WW.


Aaaaaanyways, nostalgia aside, your meta checks out. Fair warning, the standards here are a billion times higher than PO.

looking back on it I don't see the town motivation in this push on UFO. I signed up as a replacement to cabd's tales of the abyss mafia as an alt and he gave me advice on how to stay hidden. this is the complete opposite of what he's doing here by trying to force UFO in the middle of the road, and he didn't do the same kind of meta push with Jaqen iirc (then again IC). it feels a scum motivated push to test how vulnerable UFO is

besides that, I'm inclined to agree with what I remember of the cases on them

varsoon being a derp but also probably town

You sure about that? Here is what I saw from his posts.

I make a post saying I am town (because I am and I know that despite others not having the same luxury). Varsoon says, "How can you say that? Only one person is confirmed town". Which I found odd-scum-odd because...

A) He CONFIRMED HIMSELF as town in his first post AND his second post using the explicit words "However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as

I am now confirmed town.

." And I know he was specifically referring to Jacquen as being confirmed town, or at the very least should have considering how he has been posting.

B) If he were town, he should realize that as town, in a game with an IC, you should know that two people are town (yourself and the IC). It is an INTEGRAL part of scum-hunting. But if he were scum, he would have to pretend he was town (like in his first posts) and the realization wouldn't come natively.

C) I never said I was confirmed town. What I said was Jacquen was tunneling on town which I know to be a true statement.

THEN comes the back tracking when I call him out... (paraphrased in my own words)

GC - Remember when you confirmed yourself town? Why are you saying there is only one confirmed town? You must be scum.
Vars - Oh uhh no, really you can know your uhh own alignment sure, but you cant uhh expect people to trust you. (coming from someone who got banned for a trust tell - oh the irony)
Vars - YEAH you are being dense. I can of course claim town, but you cant use it in an argument. YOU are being weak and anti-town.

What happened to?

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:

I'm not going to participate in this game very much.

Then comes an onslaught of posts after I call him out. And then comes an admission of a "gambit".

My take: He wanted to chill out D1. Got caught up in the moment trying to help garner support for my lynch and slipped from his fake-stance put forth at the beginning of the day. Now because I actually have a decent case for Varsoon-Scum, he is scrambling and has dropped his "I'm not going to participate in this game very much" because he is in repair-image-mode.

Hey Varsoon! Since you like OMGUS so much...

VOTE: Varsoon

This is a good lynch.

~GC

what the fuck? did you srsly think he was serious when "confirming" himself as town? especially when you just mentioned his trust tell in that same post? haven't got to Varsoon yet but this feels fking ridiculous

[pieguyn]

I left bc I was playing like shit and I needed a break from this game to reset

no I won't stop doing ISOs k thx bai

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Stop doing ISOs. Why did you leave?

Yes, how dare they provide game content!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Nue blast explod
VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc

fake

You have exactly ten pages to be obvtown before bad things happen.

do you know this person?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

Mental note for later about this being an exact play I did on day one as scum in AMOL to lynch milkshake.

? do you detect potential foul play here?

sees some reads (Cabd's pressure and Kaze's meta)

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

was this a serious vote?

follow up on Kaze. this is like good early thinking. I could totally see town-Dan's first major priority being to sort Kaze, being unsure bc of the meta and this reflects that

So I didn't get much out of reading the last pages.

But I generally have vague feelings like ~identical to everything Muffin posts. Except I don't read Pie or anyone else as scum.

lack of scumreads indicates feeling lost which I tend to empathize with

this game has too much of the following

Spam
5 stacks of quote pyramids
point quote point quote point ad infinitum
meta

please no more

I can also empathize with this

A man is like whoa huge jumps in post number for having been supposedly absent. A man likes how up to dat a pie is as well :/

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I like this pieguyn fellow.

[Amaranth]

I left bc I was playing like shit and I needed a break from this game to reset

no I won't stop doing ISOs k thx bai

How did taking a break help stop you from playing badly?
If you were playing badly, why didn't you just step it up instead of let yourself get a couple days farther behind?

[pieguyn]

Also you're still not contributing. I don't care how cool you think you are, you've done nothing for this game to help move it along.

First of all, I'm super cool. Super Kawaiidesugoii cool.

I enjoy how you've done nothing at all as well, I've already said my piece on the exchanges early on. I don't understand what you're trying to push to me. There are a lot more active lurkers for you to pick on but I assume you're just threatened by my scumread on you. It's a big game, I'm waiting for things to pan out before jumping on the aggressive. I don't see the need to get needlessly aggressive unless someone scumslips super hard. So far it's been clouded by the entire "fuck you" "no you" "no ur mum" exchange between Cabd and co. I don't understand what they have achieved with that but hey it's there.

this is typical newb scum 101 defense right here. she's trying to defend herself by discrediting her attacker. what does kise "doing nothing at all" have to do with her doing nothing and why does it make the argument less valid? sure she could argue a case of hypocrisy but the progression isn't natural. she immediately defaults to calling him out for doing nothing

I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?

There's a difference between arguing and being aggressive. I don't feel an aggressive tone between us right now but I can assure you there is an argument.

My vote is parked on you because I don't feel the need to unvote or move to bubba just yet. I don't like forced wagons so I'm to pick off people who can get by without achieving that much suspicion. You. You're overvaluing your contributions and you should call yourself a hypocrite for calling me out on that!

the last sentence feels fake. mostly gut but w/e

It was pretty much like this last year too. Nobody ever lets me in their circle jerks. It's kay, their hands are too small anyway!

I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?

There's a difference between arguing and being aggressive. I don't feel an aggressive tone between us right now but I can assure you there is an argument.

My vote is parked on you because I don't feel the need to unvote or move to bubba just yet. I don't like forced wagons so I'm to pick off people who can get by without achieving that much suspicion. You. You're overvaluing your contributions and you should call yourself a hypocrite for calling me out on that!

If you can trust me on one thing, it's that I

do

have suspicion cast towards me. Looking at the votecount: You, your pal UFO, Lush, GCBC, pie, maybe Tsu and maybe Yuni. So in case you were vote parking to be a hipster...

+ no I'm not a hypocrit. I'm reviewing various players and their conversations. You are singling me out and being mean to me.

So, you were so self conscious that the moment I scumread on you, you try to flip it on me by saying I have not contributed rather than actually building a case. My vote on you initially was mostly gut, you were playing middle man who was trying to backseat scumhunt but the moment I call you out it's immediately an OMGUS on me.

What's up.

this is also bad considering she's been p passive so far. and what's "backseat scumhunting"?

To be honest I don't want to participate in this game either. But I don't like subbing out as well

this feels genuine but my genuine-radar is shit so idk

[pieguyn]

I left bc I was playing like shit and I needed a break from this game to reset

no I won't stop doing ISOs k thx bai

How did taking a break help stop you from playing badly?
If you were playing badly, why didn't you just step it up instead of let yourself get a couple days farther behind?

metaphorically I felt I was on a completely incorrect path right from the start of this game and I had been going down it for a while. in order to fix it I had to p much reset completely

go on try to lynch me I dare you

[Amaranth]

You didn't give off the vibe of being wrong, you gave off the vibe of being not serious or apathetic. So I don't buy that explanation.

I don't think anyone is going to listen to us and lynch you, though.

[YuniChikako]

Take a stroll through our ISO and look for the "Bubba is a scumbutt" spoilers.

I actually did go through it, along with mentions of Bubba in general in your ISO. I'm sorry, but unless I missed something (Which, knowing me, I probably did), I don't see any real argument against Bubba other than criticizing how he plays. Do you happen to have...
Nevermind.

@Kazekirimaru I was going through your ISO and I found, as one of your reasons for seeing Kagami leaning towards scum, was that it took so long for her to "start up". You've looked town to me so far, but I'm curious as to why that would influence your read in the slightest bit. Especially with the beginning-of-the-game craziness.

I've never seen her start that way before, is the thing. It's uncharacteristic of her town behaviour.

Speaking of Kagami,

I asked her to quote an instance of her previous town games where she has made an assessment similar to in 572. She has ignored this request. Tis upsetting.

I see, okay. Thanks for the clarification on that, I was wondering why the post looked so odd.

Now, I have to go, and I'm not even caught up in reading, much less responding. This game.

[pieguyn]

I'm comfortable calling Gaiden town for now. Quick peek shows a lack of frivolity to this extent in past scum openings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UFO

Let's do this instead.

RVS SCUMSLIP, AHOY! if you already meta'd him you would have already known how he acts in openings and thus not have to had read after his reaction

take morph out of town reads, tsukasa out of not town reads and swap your name for mine, and this is basically where i'm at atm

Tell me about morph?

So where does the fakeness lead?
That "maybe dram" thing looks like he's still leaning town and you don't want him to look scum

It can lead to many things, but they all have dram posturing as a common theme.

---

Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

last sentence feels fake as fuck and is a really easy angle for scum to push to look like they're doing smth

How the hell am I in your "townblock"? You say you agree with 197 yet me doing the actions outlined there doesn't seem to bother you. You claim I'm acting "sour" and opening different than normal. You find my logic contradictory. You agree that it's odd that I'm reading muffin as town. All this and you're willing to just shoehorn me into your townblock on the grounds of "lol I can't read you but I think I'd be able to read you if you were scum somehow"?

this is a great reaction to being townblock'd. but it's fakeable so I'm not sold ><
to answer your question my strategy is basically forming a townbloc in flux and shifting it aroudn till it seems right. then I freeze it and BOOM townblock

What thing with the meta? The metaputer stuff? We're not super deep into Day 1 yet. You expect her to fire on all cylinders from the get-go?

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

wtf is this?
you call out Kagami for doing nothing then you call out Katarina for "expecting her to fire on all cylinders from the get go"? plz no
it also fits with the idea that your initial questioning of kagami was fake, considering you apparently forgot all about it

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

....rly

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

You're still giving me bad feelings.

WHAT IS THIS
do you really think that
1. whether or not there exists a towngame with this in it is relevant
and
2. this would necessarily be in a previous towngame?
like is this one thing really so important for a meta check?
this question feels fake and like scum busywork

tl;dr: too many fake questions. some of it is gut but oh well

[pieguyn]

kise <- nothing pinged me from him + Dan's read

lush life is obvtown nothing to see there

[Kazekirimaru]

pie, I didn't even read past your first quote response and I'm already pretty sure that whole post is just wrong.

I'm not even sure if I'll read the rest.

[Amaranth]

You didn't give off the vibe of being wrong, you gave off the vibe of being not serious or apathetic. So I don't buy that explanation.

I don't think anyone is going to listen to us and lynch you, though.

x.x

[pieguyn]

Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

So uh guys that care. Townslip?

what?? please tell me you know better

yeah I'm reading as a go and making a mental note of reads, but that made me spit water out almost. Why would you consider that a townslip when it looks fake as fuck? And by fake as fuck, I mean it reads to me like a joke.

in fact theyre not even meh they're shit. FACT

DONT ENCOURAGE HIM

all of these feel town

mac remember how in anything goes I wanted mastina dead on d1 but noooooooo people were townreading them despite ap and I, who know him well, telling every1 they were wrong.

remember how they went on to win the game? this is kind of like that

who are you talking about here? alot of people scumread mastin including me, but as time went strong my voice wasn't strong enough to deter DGB's "kat is town don't touch" attitude

I am not talking about I am talking ab out dgb, kuribo, etc.

mac plz listen to me. morph is scum

can you summarize the case?

these are good early thoughts like I can totally see mac being apprehensive about morph and this post matches his intent to work through morph early

Vote: pieguy

Firstly, his town bloc was terrible.

for now, I'll townread Tsukasa. he's being proactive early and there's also a ton of defiance in his posts that I tend to attribute more to a town mindset. I especially noticed it here

I'll also townread Lush Life for being obvtown and legitimately townslipping re: Jaqen. also bubbajack for being proactive early. I'll also townread Kaze bc I can't read him for shit and I tend to pick up on a lot of shit from him and I get the feeling if he was scum he'd be more careful and I'd pick up less
morph's frustration re: mollie feels town but idk if they'd get frustrated as scum plus I'm paranoid as fuck about them for practically no reason =.=

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

I don't like the "for now" in the first post, because it looks to me like he's shaping up change his mind later on in the game, OR doesn't have confidence in his read. If it's the former, he's probably scum and if it's the latter, why the fuck is Tsu in his townbloc? Lush Life I wouldn't mind being in the townbloc - but he quotes the "townslip" which is totally bullshit because the townslip was

based on Cabd's perception of a slip

- not his own. Personally, I wouldn't consider it a slip in any game, but that's my view. pieguy doesn't express belief this is the case, he just goes with it.

Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?

Second point is this

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

I mean I'm pretty sure pie is pretty fucking logical in games, yet this is what he comes up with? Not pushing his own reads, and pushing morph based on a slip

he's not even sure about?

Yeah, right.

this push on me seems very town motivated

to answer your points, they're all valid. I admit I was playing like shit. so I don't have an answer. as for the "townblock" my strategy is to form a townblock in flux, add/delete to it as I see fit, then when it feels right I freeze it and boom I have a townblock

[pieguyn]

You didn't give off the vibe of being wrong, you gave off the vibe of being not serious or apathetic. So I don't buy that explanation.

I don't think anyone is going to listen to us and lynch you, though.

x.x

for me when I know smth is up I tend to get apathetic/lazy. I knew I was doing smth wrong, making me get apathetic, making me more wrong, etc. to get out of this cycle I decided to take a break and do a full reset

[pieguyn]

nothing to note in messiah complex yet