League of Legends (Old)

[Kise]

Somebody should tell them they can't troll a troll.

Spoiler: zzzzzz

Kha tried to 1v1 me, lol nah breh.

[Glork]

Trying to decide if I want to buy Renekton and/or Shyvana, or sit on my IP until this promised Rune rework.

[Klazam]

I was told that shaco wasnt viable. Why?

I'm decent as shaco- hes my best champion so far. Im something like 18-7 with him.

[xRECKONERx]

Trying to decide if I want to buy Renekton and/or Shyvana, or sit on my IP until this promised Rune rework.

Shyvana is FOTM right now, but I don't particulary think she's fun.

Renekton is very very fun to play.

I'd imagine that the rune rework will feature some reimbursement for older runes, too.

[FakeGod]

@Kla: Last time I said shaco was awesome in this thread, I got called a troll and yelled at.

I also think Shaco is fun and viable. Good luck to you.


PS what's your item build order?

[lil g]

Shaco is viable but outclassed.
His role (assassin jungler) is confusing because he's filling the spot that would be taken by a tank jungler or carry jungler, but Shaco isn't either of those. While he excels at assassinating people in the midgame when he's ahead, he will struggle to take anyone down in the endgame in a 1v1 situation.

What's your reason for picking Shaco? Do you want to use tricks and stealth to get kills? Are you primarily concerned with splitpushing?
Aside from having low teamfight presence, the main issue with Shaco is that he suffers enormously from falling behind while not snowballing uncontrollably even if he gets very fed. It's a high risk / low reward situation, which we call a bad bet in the biz.

Other champions to consider who fill the splitpushing jungle role better are Tryndamere and Rengar, and for stealth-ganking chicanery you can look at Rengar, Evelynn, Wukong, or Khazix.

Cadburry recently did a bronze5 to diamond1 on Shaco, and somewhere in diamond he was getting streamsniped and Shaco was getting banned a lot, so he picked Lee. In the middle of the game he said something along the lines of "wow is this game easy now, if I played lee instead of shaco i'd never come close to losing". Even people who love Shaco freely admit he's in a bad place.

[FakeGod]

I start machete + 5 pots (I know I can start doran's blade, but I like having the extra pots to stay out longer before having to go back).

I come back to buy boots (mobility boots if I can), and brawler's glove (avarice blade if I can).

Then I buy statikk shiv -> IE, which is my core. Sell the machete at some point.

Then I build according to what the enemy team is building. (LW if they're stacking armor, BortK if they're stacking HP, Quicksilver if they have suppress, BT if none of the above)

[FakeGod]

I pretty much agree with lil g.

[Maestro]

I know for a fact Klaz starts with 5 pots so he probably goes HM too
He likes the build Nik referenced at some point over the past couple pages - Elder Lizard + Hydra

[Maestro]

I'm thinking if I pick up a Jungler it'd probably be Eve or Wukong - I've liked everything I've seen from Wu and Eve just seems like she would fit my style (also, #TeamShadowIsles)

[Klazam]

Final build is usually Spirit of elder lizard, Berserker boots, Ravenous hydra, staikk Shiv, Guardian angel, and Edge if i have time. (I do start machete/pots, then on first back pick up spiritstone and boots)

I try to finish the items in the above order. I can usually pick up them at a reasonable pace.

Early-midgame, I gank constantly, and have perfect dragon control, and shut down their jungle, stealing buffs all the time.

lategame, i spilt push like a god - usually taking out a whole lane. i win 1v1s easy and 2v1s sometimes.(One important thing- pick fights on my terms not theirs) if they send their team, my team takes out the other lane. My team fight presence isn't too bad- boxes help with fearing and I can often snipe their carry before i die.

endgame- i solo baron in the beginning of a team fight- surprise baronbuff= ace, then hit nexus.

I don't play to spilt push, or play for stealthgank. i play for both.

One thing i've noticed- if my team either plays passively in the late game (not pushing while i push other lane), or doesn't have a tanky champ, I lose.

[Klazam]

(DISCLAIMER- I AM IN NO WAY AN EXPERT. THE ABOVE IS WHAT WORKS FOR ME- I KNOW IM STILL A ROOKIE AT THIS GAME)

[FakeGod]

Interesting!

I'll try your build out next time I play.

[Klazam]

Also
Rune Rework

means i shouldn't buy runes?

:-S

[Maestro]

... or doesn't have a tanky champ ...

This should be often enough you should probably look into trying to work out this issue? js

[mykonian]

There seems to be a sunfire nerf coming. It's deserved, obviously, but I fear that could be the final nail in the coffin for my mummy build Sunfire was one of the few defensive items that didn't get hit last season and it used to be a half popular midgame item. I don't think it was ever supposed to be a standard item in builds, so it kind of had a nerf coming already.

Anyway, toyed around a couple of times with the jungle items on mummy since those jungle items came out, and I don't know if it's perfect, but I kept returning to spirit stone-sunfire. It simply made me duel better, have more impact, be tankier right as I completed it. I do not like the jungle items on mummy. The gold generation is something that's annoying. The jungle items did get even fewer stats with that though, so if I'm looking to make up for my poor early game I think nothing really changed there. They are still not items designed for fighting. I think spirit of the spectral wraith is way too cute. It's not real spellvamp, it gives no defensive stats, eeh. I think ancient golem is a good item if you want tenacity. It's a great stat for a lot of things, but I couldn't care less about it on mummy. It takes quite the situation where cc-time is the biggest problem I'm facing. If they cc me on the moment I would want to q or ult, it really doesn't matter how long it takes, the moment is still gone. If they cc me on any other moment odds are I'm already crying and threw a tantrum right before said stun hit, so all I was going to do anywa was stand close to someone crying at them while waiting for tantrum to come back up.

So with in all likelyhood, sunfire's powerspike disappearing, and those goals/arguments in mind, where would you go with a build? Still sunfire and accept that it gives less damage?

[TheIrishPope]

your job as amumu isn't to deal damage tho

[notscience]

Don't be a dick TIP you might make him cry

[RayFrost]

Sf cape is still a significant item to gain presence, tip. The damage is a good bonus on top of the tankiness, and dealing more damage is helpful regardless of your champion. As long as you are not sacrificing something that's worth more, getting damage or daamagey things is a good idea.

Like, I've had games where I've gone hydra on jungle lee despite being the main tanky champ on t he team. Why? I had my major defensive items and wanted to have more damage presence. Same thing can apply to sf cape over other items (ignoring t he fact sf cape also makes mumu way tankier)

[Glork]

Also
Rune Rework

means i shouldn't buy runes?

:-S

Coincidentally, Meddler just said that there may or may not be a rune rework coming. They may try some stuff out on PBE, but nothing is guaranteed anymore.


Also according to Meddler, pre-minion spawn will function differently. It'll be more like on Dominion where players are locked in their base to buy for some amount of time. Seems exciting, and should solve some complications from players with issues loading into games.

[TheIrishPope]

Ewwww locking us in base
Then Shaco can't stack his boxes!

[RayFrost]

It will also remove the buy quickly high movespeed champion rush to location fb cheese. It also makes it very difficult to reach the jungle camp much longer than it spawns, meaning early invasions are basically impossible without severely hampering jungle speed

Seems like it removes a lot of vitality from the game for the sake of trying to help people who load in slowly. But, if they're able to load in during the minion-spawn timer, then it's hardly an issue in like 99% of cases. If they can't, then this changes nothing.

Idk feel doubtful

[mykonian]

a homeguard like effect was associated with it, right?

[Glork]

a homeguard like effect was associated with it, right?

Yes. According to Meddler, the changes tested very well, and a home guard effect should get champs out to jungle/lane roughly as quickly as before.

Not sure what (if any) effect this has on invasions / early counterjungling, but it honestly sounds like a tely solid change.

[Maestro]

means I shouldn't buy runes?

This is relevant to us since Klaz is recently a 21 and I'm about to be 20.
General agreement is "do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-and-hope-for-the-best"?