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Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:04 pm

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Kaze, this all makes a man picture a boat on a tide drifting wherever the current steers it, the captain snoozing in a hammock. You're far too agreeable and easy to get along with to be town. You'll be referred to as Littlefinger here out.
In post 1270, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 1216, SXTLHGaiden wrote: Also, progress on re-read stalled due to busy day at work.
thoughts on where i am at though can be summarized as "i doubt this is any sort of slip."
My town read on you has atrophied as of late. I need you to re-inspire me.
In post 1219, Amaranth wrote: I'm not.
Then what are you implying by stating that scum should be coached into a better crumb?
In post 1226, Kagami wrote: I don't understand this at all. A bomb is incredibly powerful, and you were in no immediate danger of a lynch; why would you claim that? Even if you were in danger, why would you crumb and claim bomb rather than something that would draw the nightkill?
Ding ding ding.

You sure can bus! ;D
In post 1233, bubbajack8 wrote: ? My role PM specifically says 1 shot bomb. Are you saying you were given bomb? I'm confused.
Why would your role need to specify how many shots you have? As a bomb, you have one shot no matter how you slice it. You die - you explode. One shot. Claim makes no sense.
In post 1235, Kagami wrote:Anyway, this claim is obviously fake. You say your role pm is "1-shot Bomb," but there's no interpretation of the role bomb that can be anything more than one shot. So are you fakeclaiming town or really bad scum?
Yeah that.
In post 1240, bubbajack8 wrote: I choose when to arm myself.
Hm.
In post 1243, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:10.Mac - watching you guys get #rekt by mac-scum in Tales of the Abyss was fun, but this isn't it
In post 1243, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:16.UFO - You're brand new to the site and draw scum in a huge 21 player game. What do you do when a loud player gives you towncred super early? You ride that shit as long as you can without posting so you don't fuck it up. I ought to start calling this the Camoclone effect.
These two reads are the only ones I don't understand. Help me out?
In post 1247, Kagami wrote:Fake-claiming something else would have been so much better though... or even nothing at all
I've seen more fake bomb claims than real ones. But, still. One could argue he needed something interesting to evoke this exact question. But, eh. That could be confirmation bias on my part.
In post 1251, bubbajack8 wrote: You're going to need a wagon for that.
More challenging language. And towards the IC? You know he's town and you're challenging him to spark up the wagon. If you're town, that's -2 townies right there if he succeeds. What are you hoping to accomplish?
In post 1255, SXTLHGaiden wrote: I ain't got a bomb suit, but i got a rope. If it starts dat beeping faster, tell me an' i'll pull ya out.
I'd appreciate content, instead.
In post 1257, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:K. nati and giffy co-designed this setup, and I'm pretty knowledgeable about both their mod metas. I'm expecting "minor role madness" and lots of red herrings here. Making setup assumptions is pretty dangerous because they're both a bit from the oddball setup design school.
Whooooooo Cabd's putting on the modgaming hat.

What constitutes "Minor role madness", by the way?
In post 1268, SXTLHGaiden wrote:A man suggests whichever requires less pants.
MAKE PERTINENT WORDS KTHX I WANT YOU TO REMIND ME WHY YOURE TOWN

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So, yeah.

I don't think I'll unvote just yet.
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Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:08 pm

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I don't know anything GoT related, fyi.

And I think "You're too easy to get along with to be Town" is one of the worst cases I've heard in a while. And I've heard a few.
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Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:08 pm

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And in case you didn't understand... you need to specifically show how and where I am A) Misrepresenting your points, and B) Strawmanning by showing what exactly is the strawman I have built to attack in an attempt to avoid your original point. Which should be a no-brainer for an English professor who deals with teaching about fallacies all the time right?

Otherwise, if you cannot do so, you have absolutely no right to tell me to focus on my play (which you categorize as misrep and strawman) when you yourself can't prove my play as such because YOU ARE MAKING IT UP.

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Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:20 pm

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In post 1371, Varsoon wrote:instead of insulting the people who've called you out.
Says the man who hurls sexual-preference epithets... Contradiction #1024? :neutral:

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Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:23 pm

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In post 1363, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 307, Lush Life wrote:VOTE: morph
In post 323, Lush Life wrote:
In post 318, bubbajack8 wrote:I also remember someone quoting it with earlier in the post saying Flavor has no aspect. So I had no clue as well.
also this argument would be utterly retarded if I was town reading you
In post 324, morph the cat wrote:So mollie, do you have any idea how much of a total bitch you are to ffery sometimes? She's townreading you but for fuck's sake girl; your antagonistic snipes at her in game after game are creating a toxic wasteland. Perhaps you think it's the best way for you to read her, but all you're achieving is pissing her off and ensuring I'm playing alone the next few IRL days.
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In post 329, Kazekirimaru wrote:
I'm confused as to the source of this tension.
Me too bro. Some shit from their mutual back history that they don't talk about. It happens pretty much every game ffery and mollie are in together. Either way though, I'm attached to ffery so I get to deal with it.
Didn't understand the tension as well until Cabd brought up the second part. It's all assumption on what was going on in their exchange then. But the lack of fftery after that was on you.


You do this thing where you disregard everything a person says and borderline insult/provoke them for not having the same POV or information that you think you have and quite frankly it's annoying.
Your general reaction to those that disagree with you is "k. whatevs ur scum"

Not really a fan of attempting to interact with you again. But I have to.
you didn't demonstrate that I did any of this. you quoted a naked vote I made and me telling bubba that my argument was retarded dependent on his alignment and then you made a couple of more posts by cabd.

you are outright fucking lying and it is sickening how you are taking advantage of the situ :(

and yes it makes me think that you are scummy cos it is often scum who obfuscate in a way that changes the axis of the game by spinning the narrative in the manner you are doing.

but sometimes dumb town do it too and I am talking from experience and I can't tell what is going on with you
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Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:28 pm

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In post 1378, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 1371, Varsoon wrote:instead of insulting the people who've called you out.
Says the man who hurls sexual-preference epithets... Contradiction #1024? :neutral:

~GC
aren't you the guys who posted #1024?

it looked like cabd was saying he was going to bed.
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Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:30 pm

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Mollie

Do you think a man is right in thinking Kaze is going with the current and seems to be far too concerned with how people perceive him this game (ie too easy to get along with)?
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Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:31 pm

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I swear it looks like gcbc and varsoon are crossbussing

I just had to get that out there
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Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:32 pm

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So, a man and a lady are still on the same page then?
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Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:40 pm

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In post 1381, Jaqen Hghar wrote:Mollie

Do you think a man is right in thinking Kaze is going with the current and seems to be far too concerned with how people perceive him this game (ie too easy to get along with)?
I think there are so many scum in this game it makes my brain go numb

I would say he is trying to make himself likeable I think

I can agree with that but I don't know him
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Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:44 pm

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In post 1383, Jaqen Hghar wrote:So, a man and a lady are still on the same page then?
I think we have been all game but I am only 1/3 of this hydra.
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Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:45 pm

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A man neither, but such things as the entire motivation of an ISO rarely bode well in a man's experience
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Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:46 pm

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In post 1385, Lush Life wrote:
In post 1383, Jaqen Hghar wrote:So, a man and a lady are still on the same page then?
I think we have been all game but I am only 1/3 of this hydra.
It's still enough assurance that a man doesn't think himself going insane :]
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Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:59 pm

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In post 1380, Lush Life wrote: aren't you the guys who posted #1024?

it looked like cabd was saying he was going to bed.
Uhm. I don't believe that was what he meant.
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Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:00 pm

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Hey, Jaqen. If you think I'm scum, why no vote?
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Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:23 pm

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Was referencing Katawa Shoujo and Dumbledore specifically. :3

Regardless, I've already pointed out where you misrepresented me. Read my posts. Or I'll quote them, if that works for you. Or, if you really, really want, I can waste time focusing on each individual sentence.

It's not really important, because my original post where I explain it all makes it obvious. Yeah, it requires you to read your posts as well, then mine, which might be a little difficult, but you can do it. I believe in you~
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Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:26 pm

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In post 1339, Kazekirimaru wrote:Sigh. I knew I shouldn't have humoured you.
dear kaze,

this is a notice to inform you that if you're town and you consider this to be a legitimate strategy you're being a useless sack of shit and being confbiased as fuck

if you're scum it allows you to just hide and not respond to anything I post because "lol ur scum". so I'm inclined to think you're scum for it. especially bc you slipped and it wasn't till I called you on it that you stood by your idea of not responding to scumreads

how hard is it to cite that statement you made about scum saying their vote doesn't have to match? like really? a quick listing of all the games where you remember hearing this and the alignments of said people who said it would have sufficed and did a lot to make me believe said line of questioning is actually legitimate

seems to me like I called your bluff and you don't wanna justify it bc you literally can't

sincerely, pieguyn
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Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:32 pm

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I'm not acting the way I'm acting towards you because "lol you're scum."

I'm acting this way because "lol you're derp."

Seriously. Every game we're in you tunnel me. It's cute, but really getting on my nerves. It's better for my sanity if I just let you do your thing until you get tuckered out and take a nap.
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Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:02 pm

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what the fuck is this? you've been scumreading me for a while now, so why would I be getting on your nerves? if you think I'm scum you should understand that my actions are going to be awkward, bc I'm scum.

this is not town motivated thought. I'm getting on kaze's nerves bc I'm putting pressure on him. kaze is scum

and if it's getting your nerves then answer the fking questions
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Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:03 pm

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You can't be scum and getting on my nerves? Well then.
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Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:42 pm

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So this will take a few hours and I'm going to lose sleep doing it, but because GCBC is so hell-bent on decrying me as either an idiot or a liar (I'm not either, surprise), I'll humor him and provide the entire point by point case that I have on him, as well as thorough elaborations on each of my points, specifically citing where he's misrepresented or slandered me.

I doubt it will achieve anything worthwhile, but here goes...
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Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:44 pm

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Please spoiler it.
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Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:48 pm

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I will.
It'll be long, and very likely a fruitless waste of everyone's time. :D
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Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:27 pm

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I'm not going to point out the several times that GCBC has implied that I am scum, called me stupid, etc. Instead, I'm going to focus on points that I haven't answered already, and quote points that I have. GCBC has spent some time arguing that I can’t point to where he misrepresented me, despite the fact that I did in my original case on him. I wasn’t overtly specific about each post I made, next to each post he misrepped, but I don’t need to be, because in the words of GCBC himself, “THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE AND READ.” When I say X and GCBC writes that I said Y, I can write, “That’s not true” and I expect that I don’t have to point out how Y is not X. Alas, here goes:

-My Original Case on GCBC, Including Where he Misrepresented Me, as It was Always a Part of My Original Case and I Have No Clue Why GCBC Has Been Acting Like It Wasn't There:

Spoiler:
In post 1009, Varsoon wrote:With the failure of the Pieguyn wagon to take off, GCBC surely was looking for a different mislynch. He's been walling with the IC all day as a distraction that's largely anti-town (all while trying to dress it up as a failure on the IC's part and as a huge town effort on his own). His rhetoric has betrayed him as scum, his play is scummy, and he's a jerk.

Sheep me for great victory.
In post 1010, Varsoon wrote:The best part of the GCBC walling is that he's been constantly trying to get the IC to vote for someone he thinks is an easy mislynch. This serves two purposes--it lets him fuel a mislynch with the notion that since the IC is on it then it's a good lynch, and to further discredit the IC once the flip becomes town. This way, he can keep the IC around, avoid getting scum-read, and make the IC take blame for his own agenda.

It's brilliant, but your plan had one hole, GCBC.
Varsoon is in this game.
Wiggling can commence now.
In post 1013, Varsoon wrote:Pieguyn's play has been admitted as weak by even Pieguyn. He's an easy target, and the votes on the Pieguy wagon reflect people noticing and pushing that. I mentioned this, noticed it, and that's when GCBC decided that I was a threat. He's made me his foe, and has been rallying for my lynch while still sitting on the Pieguyn wagon. He's in the buttery part of that wagon too, right where scum has a good opportunity to jump on and avoid the blame for hammering AND starting the wagon, all while seemingly presenting a case. Pieguyn's not even around to respond to the 'pressure' that GCBC has retconned his push to represent (as seen in the recent posts by GCBC). All of this points at scum who's holding out of the mislynch of the day (Pieguy) while rallying for another in case that goes tits up. Why not just get off the pie wagon to vote me and push a case on me if I'm his scum-read? Once again, GCBC is being scummy with his voting and is trying to get others to start the push and votes, so he can slide on in a way that won't reflect poorly on him once I flip.

Like I said, clever--but not enough to slip by me.
See, that's the most beautiful thing about the uninterested gambit. I can wait for a scummy player to push for my lynch for scummy reasons--they're silly and somehow think I haven't been reading, or that I won't put up a fight or counter-case. You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.
In post 1017, Varsoon wrote:GCBC, that's no good indicator of your alignment. Just like a trust-tell (something that I have extensive experience with), it's only good until you abuse it, when it's great. How do I know you're not cashing in on your 'mollie-always reads me correctly' card in this game? I don't. Therefore, it's worthless as a strategy and only works to leverage you power against scrubs. Why would you want to leverage that sort of power, or convince us that you're town in such a way?
Town wouldn't need to. Scum would.

Wiggle~Wriggle~


P-EDIT: Never said that the IC is scum--that's another misrep there. :D
In fact, your entire reply reeks of not actually following the argument I put forward and/or an attempt to trivialize it.
Why would you want to not actually read my argument or trivialize it?
Because you're scum.

Wiggle~

P-P-EDIT: More discrediting/trivializing. Every word serves a purpose. You forgot that. That's why your rhetoric has betrayed you. :P
In post 1019, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1016, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 1013, Varsoon wrote:You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.
Also when you pad your posts with literally 100% useless shit fluff like this, do you expect your post to somehow be more convincing? Or larger? Or, you know, less damning?

Oh hey look I can do it too~
Another note on this--chill out. It's a game. Of course I'm going to have fun with it. All words serve a purpose, but more than that, if you consider flavor, asides, and anything not wholly related to 'the game' to be '100% useless shit fluff'--keep it to yourself. Elitism has its place, but we're playing a party game on a forum with a little noose and a gun in the banner. Relax.
In post 1025, Varsoon wrote:Your citation of fact is exactly the sort of thing that scum-you would use, as you've just admitting by claiming you'd burn the floor you stand on for a scum win. You'd go to any length to win, and so it makes plenty of sense that you'd make that play. Your. Rhetoric. Betrays. You.

You're playing the game. See how you just leveraged that Mollie has scum-read you in this game, thus making yourself seem more town? By writing...
So, if shes scumreading me, and I'm scum, I'm stating that her read on me will be correct by the end of today.... why, exactly? What''s my motive? To pray to Arceus that she will 180 her read? With a good percentage of the player base townreading me?
...you are making an argument for that sort of play as against your wincon as scum. This is why I claimed scum when I was manipulating the Trust Tell. Players would figure that I wouldn't do something so against my wincon as scum, and that I must be town for it. It works due to the logic exhibited by town who expect low-level play.

Furthermore, if Mollie does ultimately town read you, you can ride that to the bank. If Mollie waffles on you, you can use that as leverage to push a mislynch on her later in the game because you know she's a powerful opponent of yours.

Most players are too wrapped up in your web of lies to figure this all out,
But I'm on the outside and I'm looking in. I can see through you--see your true colors. 'Cause inside you're ugly. You're ugly like me I can see through you. See to the real you.
In post 1108, Varsoon wrote:The Dram and Action Dan votes on me are awkward sheeps to say the least. I don't quite follow their hop to my wagon, but since I've nabbed my scum verdict, I'll be chasing him all day.
In post 1034, GoodCop_BadCop wrote: You sure about that? Here is what I saw from his posts.

I make a post saying I am town (because I am and I know that despite others not having the same luxury). Varsoon says, "How can you say that? Only one person is confirmed town". Which I found odd-scum-odd because...

A) He CONFIRMED HIMSELF as town in his first post AND his second post using the explicit words "However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as
I am now confirmed town.
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" And I know he was specifically referring to Jacquen as being confirmed town, or at the very least should have considering how he has been posting.

B) If he were town, he should realize that as town, in a game with an IC, you should know that two people are town (yourself and the IC). It is an INTEGRAL part of scum-hunting. But if he were scum, he would have to pretend he was town (like in his first posts) and the realization wouldn't come natively.

C) I never said I was confirmed town. What I said was Jacquen was tunneling on town which I know to be a true statement.

THEN comes the back tracking when I call him out... (paraphrased in my own words)

GC - Remember when you confirmed yourself town? Why are you saying there is only one confirmed town? You must be scum.
Vars - Oh uhh no, really you can know your uhh own alignment sure, but you cant uhh expect people to trust you. (coming from someone who got banned for a trust tell - oh the irony)
Vars - YEAH you are being dense. I can of course claim town, but you cant use it in an argument. YOU are being weak and anti-town.

What happened to?
In post 426, Varsoon wrote:I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:
I'm not going to participate in this game very much.
Then comes an onslaught of posts after I call him out. And then comes an admission of a "gambit".

My take: He wanted to chill out D1. Got caught up in the moment trying to help garner support for my lynch and slipped from his fake-stance put forth at the beginning of the day. Now because I actually have a decent case for Varsoon-Scum, he is scrambling and has dropped his "I'm not going to participate in this game very much" because he is in repair-image-mode.

Hey Varsoon! Since you like OMGUS so much...

VOTE: Varsoon

This is a good lynch.

~GC
In post 1054, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 1050, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.
You really need to re-read my post.

In simple terms, Varsoon said only one person is confirmed town (The mod-confirmed IC). When in reality if you are town, from your point of view, there should be two confirmed town. Varsoon isn't town, so he forgot that point when he made that post. This is aside from the hypocritical posts where he confirmed himself town and
then
said only the mod-confirmed IC was confirmed town.

Mollie, even confirmed town can throw games. Just because they are town and everyone knows it doesn't give them a crystal ball.
Your degree of misrepresentation in these posts alone is staggering.
1: You're twisting my gambit of seeming uninterested and catching you into something to scumpaint me. You're trying to deny me agency, which is to assume that I couldn't possibly be doing what I said I was doing. This is a scum tactic. You're attempting to disarm and devalue my arguments and approach. You're also going on as if I'm lying and making a push at disenfranchising my voice.
2: You've completely disregarded the post where I posit that the only way to be truly confirmed to the rest of the game's players is via the moderator. Of course, that post wouldn't be very helpful since it blows a hole in your entire misrepresentation of the facts of our exchange.

You're trying to doctor yourself up as a 'winner', and me as an illogical, lying, scummy loser. The truth is that you're (very obviously) lying about our interaction in order to simultaneously devalue me as a player and push a wagon on me. You've committed the fallacy of presenting a strawman. This comes in the form of you re-writing our dialogue to make me seem like a bumbling, backpedaling moron and painting yourself as a calm voice of reason and cogency. In short, fuck you. I really want to replace out of this game, and have done so when people've been this way before, but I'm going to stay in it. I won't rest until you're dead--and not because you're an asshole, but because you're scum.

Could everyone who is not on my wagon or GCBC's wagon please shift to voting for one of us?
I want him dead or I want to die. Either way, one of us should not come out of this alive.

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In the case of ‘Hurling Sexual-Preference Epithets’
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In post 1378, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 1371, Varsoon wrote:instead of insulting the people who've called you out.
Says the man who hurls sexual-preference epithets... Contradiction #1024? :neutral:
~GC
This refers to my earlier remarks in .

Why is this scummy?

Instead of continuing to engage my points, GCBC continues an insult-contest, insulting me as a 'man who hurls sexual-preference epithets'.
GCBC also devalues what I have to say by the added hyperbole of 'Contradiction #1024' (meaning that this is my 1024th contradiction) as well as acting as if he shouldn't stop insulting me solely because he perceives me as insulting him.

Why is this wrong?

'Rainbow Wizard' refers to this painting in the popular dating sim, Katawa Shoujo. Several jokes surround the nature of the painting, but the primary focus of these jokes is that the painting itself is a fiendish creature bent on cruelty. This is because the painting seems to stalk you through the game. Images such as this one were made, and the Rainbow Wizard is even a boss in the fan-made Katawa Shoujo Lite game. I used the words 'Rainbow Wizard' to refer to GCBC due to his fiendish and cruel nature of stalking me throughout the game, and how I was trying to avoid making it more than it actually was at the time by refusing to go point-by-point with him.
'Gandalf The Gay' refers to Dumbledore of the Harry Potter franchise as well as the actor Ian McKellen (who portrays Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings films). This serves the purpose of poking fun at the way in which GCBC has been acting like he has wizardly knowledge of the truth of things, while serving the purpose of a whimsical rhyme within my sentence. While Dumbledore has been confirmed as a homosexual by the author JKRowling and Ian McKellen is a gay rights activists and self-proclaimed homosexual, I don't understand how anyone could find being referred to as one or the other as an insult, but more on that... now.

With these dual layers of reference to relatively obscure titles, I was taking part in the further dance that GCBC and I have been engaged in. GCBC wrote that I used big words in order to mask the fact that I didn't know things, so as a further representation of using things that GCBC considers in this fashion, I used these two little-known references to continue that ongoing interaction. Of course, he didn't understand either one, and assumed that I was insulting him instead of referring to him as an irreverent bumbling old wizard man who's purpose in this game has largely been to send ill-will my way, ultimately ending in my death if anyone takes him too seriously.

On the topic of interpreting either of those to be an insult using a 'homosexual epithet', neither were, and by entering the dialectic where you assume that they are, you are further propping up the notion that homosexuality is an insult. I never intended it as such, and it's clear from my post that I wasn't using homosexuality in order to devalue GCBC's character or play at all. If anything, you shouldn't be offended to be called a homosexual at all, especially in the case that I provided, where the only interpretable instance of homosexuality being mentioned was in likening GCBC to Ian McKellen/Dumbledore, and in that case, both men stand as proud and strong figures for the homosexual community as well as generally wonderful people independent of their sexual orientation.


-In the case of 'Using Big Words I Don't Know the Meaning Of' :

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Why is This Scummy?

Here, GCBC insults me while simultaneously trying to devalue my play by insinuating that I'm hiding behind a layer of 'big words that I don't know the meaning of'. The word particular that he is referring to here is 'strawman', as it was the one quoted. Oh, it's also a lie, since I do know the meaning of every word I use, which leads into...
Why is this Wrong?

The notion of using 'big words' is already a failed one. This is an English board, and therefore, I expect everyone to be able to identify and understand whatever words that I choose to use. The argument that I'm putting forth more elaborate rhetoric in order to mask the fact I don't know things is laughable, mostly because it would be incredibly transparent if that was the case, and would make for a poor rhetorical decision in the first place.
As for the 'Strawman Fallacy', I posted a link explaining what it was in my post 1108, then provided exactly where GCBC was strawman-ing me.
When I provide the example of where you're doing it, and I provide a link to a page that describes it, you'd figure that I know what it is.

-In the case of 'Varsoon Thinks Claiming Confirms Him (as Town)' :

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Why is this Scummy?:

GCBC has constantly been reiterating this notion that I believe claiming confirms me as town. By writing that 'Varsoon thinks', he belittles my intellectual process by presenting the notion that I wildly believe in something as wrong as a claim clearing a player. He’s posited that I must be scum because I don’t consider myself confirmed town. Furthermore, it's a straight-up lie, because...
Why is this Wrong?:

In I explain that the only way to be truly confirmed is by the mod, and that a claim never will change that. This holds true throughout. What GCBC is likely hanging on to is my early posts in the game where I claim town and call myself 'confirmed town' for it. This is a clear joke, and a reference to how I used trust tells such as that one in the past. GCBC is also likely referring to my where I full claim to 'further confirm myself as town'. The rhetoric in this sentence alone reflects the fact that my use of 'confirm' and GCBC's are not the same. The 'confirm' the GCBC is trying to act like I am putting forth here is the absolute--as in, I would absolutely be confirmed, as if by a mod. However, I use the adverb 'further' to modify confirm, because I am using the verb 'confirm' as an process. I believe that my claim makes me seem more town, which further confirms me in this way. Even if I die, it further confirms me in this way. GCBC has been acting as though I've meant that my claim holds the same power and absolute nature of a mod-confirm, although it's obvious from my use of the adverb 'further' as well as my points in that is not the case.

Posts like reflect GCBC continuing to misinterpret and/or misrepresent what I meant in post 978. In fact, 1054 is a really great example of GCBC calling me scum, acting as though I didn’t think I was town-confirmed (when I explicitly wrote that I know I’m town, but that’s only knowledge that only a few single players know).


-In the case of 'Claiming Slayers Gambit in Response to a Wagon Forming on Him' :

Spoiler:
Why is this Scummy?:

GCBC is using commonly-used site-related terms to refer to my play in order to demean it, calling it a 'shitty response' and presenting it as factitious (there's another big word for you, GCBC. It means fake or artificial, usually referring to that artificiality in a lying sort of way). This devalues my play while simultaneously stripping me of agency by acting like I am only claiming the use of a gambit, rather than actually using it.
Why is this Wrong?:

It only takes a bit of site-meta to know that I follow my games and am extremely active in them. It takes a bit of research to realize I've been posting in other games as well as in my Hydra while I've been in this game. It only takes reading this game to realize that I've been following along with it day by day from the content I've produced that speaks towards the game as a whole. Therefore, positing that I'm just claiming a 'Slayers Gambit' instead of actually doing it (which, if you look, I actually did) is a lie. In post 1230, GCBC directly speaks about my gambit and calls it scummy, which means that he does acknowledge that I actually did perform the gambit—this stands in direct contradiction of him acting as if I just claimed a gambit.
Furthermore, the 'wagon forming on me' was Chamber of Kittens (who inherited an old vote on me from the Remembrance Slot) and Jaqen. That's two votes, one of which had no push behind it (Chamber). Two votes doesn't mean very much on D1 of a large game, and so by acting as if my gambit (or, my bad, 'claim of a gambit') was in response to the wagon forming on me, then GCBC presenting me as someone who would make so much noise over only two little votes. That wasn't the case at all, as is apparent by the fact that my responses were directly in reference to GCBC and didn't seek to clear me nearly as much as they did to pressure and expose the GCBC slot.


Ultimately, what does this mean?
GCBC has been misrepresenting, insulting, devaluing, and demeaning me as well as other players throughout the course of the game. His play is scummy, anti-town, and anti-fun. He is, for me, every bit an actual lynch as he is a policy lynch. His waffling between wagons while pushing cases for various people as scum while avoiding to committing to any one is suspicious at best and absolutely scummy at worst.

So, one last time,
VOTE: GCBC
VOTE: GCBC

VOTE: GCBC
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Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:30 pm

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Hey, it only took roughly 4,000 words and 2 hours.
I'm not going to respond to anything else that you ask, do, misrepresent, fling, insult, or write, GCBC. I'm done with you. You're scum, and you're beneath my boot.
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