Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Messiah Complex]

So I can mention my activity in other games, as long as I keep it very broad.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

Maybe you should take this time by telling us your scumreads.

[Messiah Complex]

I still think that Bubba is a good pick for scum, I'm not sure how much I like his bomb claim.

GCBC- not sure how to feel about this anymore. Was reading it as scum, felt the replace was scummy, but they have been towning it up since then.

Gaiden- seems to be in the same boat as us, I'm at post #963 and he is trying for a reread and not posting much.

Dramonic- is posting but I can't think of a single significant thing they have said

UFO disappeared for the longest time, does he ever come back?

Lush- I have much love for all your heads, but the sudden hate towards us, and having to thread through all of your inhydra bickering is muddying the waters. I keep getting confused about your reads because one of you is staunchly in favor of voting certain people and then a few posts later another of you are defending those same people.

Leaning scum on Kise- gut
Actiondan can hang, I was annoyed with his play style in ASOFAI, but its just a personal preference.

I am still trying to get through a little less than half the thread.

[Jaqen Hghar]

VOTE: GCBC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

VOTE: GCBC

Your conclusion of Kagami is??

~GC

[Amaranth]

Maybe.

Hey.

I'm not.

Then what are you implying by stating that scum should be coached into a better crumb?

Explain to me the thing.

Pregame.
I hate talking about things like this.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

...I literally have no idea what to say that our innocent child thinks that this slot and mollie's hydra are scum together, more or less scum by ourselves.

Like you think that the five pages of absolute fighting, ffery's replace out, and all the drama was all fucking FAKED?

[Varsoon]

I sort of love how you guys were all "Varsoon made a long case on someone? MUST BE SCUM."
Newsflash, I'm capable of writing long posts as any alignment.
I typically just get more MOTIVATED as scum.

[Messiah Complex]

...I literally have no idea what to say that our innocent child thinks that this slot and mollie's hydra are scum together, more or less scum by ourselves.

Like you think that the five pages of absolute fighting, ffery's replace out, and all the drama was all fucking FAKED?

We had trouble finding what caused the huge blow up when we were doing our read through. Ffery's replace out seemed fake as fuck to us since we couldn't pin down what had set her off to the point where she felt she needed to replace. Whenever someone had tried previously to engage you on this subject you responded with a bit of anger yourself saying that we would not be talking about the situation.

Are you at a point where you feel up to talking. Pull up a stool partner, you got my ear if you need it.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I take it this is fish? Ask desp why going into it is a REAAAAAALY bad idea. The two ladies have some past tension I am NOT delving back into, and I was upset because ffery left out of anger/etc; and kind of just lashed out.

[Messiah Complex]

Ok, let me play devils advocate here for a few minutes. You up for that?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You can if you want, but don't be surprised if the results aren't very pleasant.

[Messiah Complex]

I have no expectations.

How is FFery's scum game? If Mollie had pegged her/you correctly on d1 would she have had the stamina to keep up scumtell avoidance? Is Mollie usually able to read Ffery correctly? You already said that she is one of the best at reading you, so could it have been Fferys job to town it up to keep Mollie off her game?

Flip side, what are the chances that Mollie knew what would happen if she started to tinnel the fuck out of you guys? Would she know that Ffery would have a meltdown, in or out of thread? Could said breakdown have painted your slot in a particular light, and could have been the intended result?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

How is FFery's scum game?

Ffery as a solo player has a much weaker scumgame than I do. As our hydra, morph, we have a 100% scum winrate.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=30839
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31267
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30234

Ffery has been pegged by mollie on day one before. That game was xenoblade chronicles, where she sat there and ate the day one lynch. Could she have kept it up if we were scum? I can't say for sure. But one of the cited reasons when she apologized to me upon leaving was that she was tired of repeating this over and over again, citing the parallels to The Walking Dead (where mollie scumread ffery incorrectly) and to Xenogears (remember day one early?). I don't think ffery would ever willingly get into one of these fights. I mean for fuck's sake she was so distressed she went global VLA for several days to get over the events of this game day. Mollie's ability to read ffery itself is a mixed bag. Mollie claims to have perfected the art, but she's been wrong a few times.

As for your other paragraph, my townread on that slot is based primarily upon the other two heads's posts. Ffery can supposedly tell when mollie's legit upset and when she's faking it, and left them as more town than jaquen in our hydra chat when she left. Could mollie know that tunneling us would make ffery react like that? I can't say for sure. But I don't think mollie is the kind of player that would alienate somebody she once enjoyed playing with to the point of blacklisting each other (or damn near) for a single scumgame mislynch, and I don't think that the other two heads would react as they are now if it was staged.

That said, our innocent child's main account is on both mine and ffery's blacklist, and I very much doubt either of us would have remained in signups had we known who it was. The mollie fight just complicated things. The reason I remain in the game is because I have a personal policy of never replacing out of games EVER. Prohawk was nice enough to join me here.

[Jaqen Hghar]

That said, our innocent child's main account is on both mine and ffery's blacklist, and I very much doubt either of us would have remained in signups had we known who it was. The mollie fight just complicated things. The reason I remain in the game is because I have a personal policy of never replacing out of games EVER. Prohawk was nice enough to join me here.

And a man wonders, how would a boy know this but by snooping through an account's settings that are set to private across the board? A man would think that's an abuse of privileges. It makes no matter though, because as a man has already said several times the registrar need must not be the player; a Faceless Man wears many faces. A man further thinks a boy would be best served to put his petty grievances and childish blacklist aside and just play the game without taking every opportunity to drag another's name through the mud.

[SXTLHGaiden]

this boy is dodging prods.
UNVOTE:

[pieguyn]

So, what exactly is wrong with the questions you listed, again? I'm not going through the trouble of pulling up meta of me posing similar questions because that doesn't really prove anything and I'm sure you'll try to find some way to say x =! y anyway. All I can really say is you're wrong and leave it at that. Don't like it? Quit taking shots from the sidelines and commit with a vote on me.

nope. you don't get to sit there and hide bc "omg your vote isn't on me!!1". that has nothing to do with the validity of my case on you. and I JUST SAID THIS AND ASKED YOU TO BACK UP THIS STATEMENT AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T BACKED IT UP. you can't run away anymore ~

it's not semantics. it's flat-out you're trying to trap people into scumreads with BS questions which is scummy in itself BUT ON TOP OF THAT it's smth that appears relatively often in your scumgames but not in your towngames, with the underlying logic to back it up (which is what I explained that I realized was missing from my big meta-dive post). but ok I'll explain just this once <3

Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

in addition to looking fake as fuck, this question is stupid. as town, kagami wouldn't be firing on all cylinders yet. so by making her post when she's not at 100% then you can go "omg you're [not at 100%] you must be scum", where [not at 100%] is anything that results of her not being at 100%. also what makes you think activity is alignment indicative for her? as scum shit like this is really easy to pick up on and then you can point it out and boom you have an objective scumtell that you can push without even having to think if said action comes from town or scum motivation

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

this question is bad. it's a really easy angle for scum to push. and you're pushing it without thinking about if her lack of reads actually comes from scum motivation

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

^

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

REALLY? do you really think joining a game you're not willing to commit to for a while is alignment indicative? what the fuck? this is a flat out filler question case in point. it allows you to sit there and look like you're scumhunting without doing jack and shit

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

same as the one 2 above this

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

yet another easy angle. and what made you believe smth like this would necessarily be in a previous town game? it feels more like scum busywork than actual qusetioning

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

same as the one 2 above this

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

you haven't backed up this statement with evidence despite the fact I've asked you several times. is it really that hard? the fact you're so hesitant to back this up, IMO, indicates you can't actually back it up bc it's fake as fuck. you should also know from AA:MFA how my vote didn't match whoever I was pressuring several times and I was town in that game

all these questions are examples of weak, easy angles that I found completely lacking in your towngames. explain yourself or die :>

[Kazekirimaru]

no

[Jaqen Hghar]

So, what exactly is wrong with the questions you listed, again? I'm not going through the trouble of pulling up meta of me posing similar questions because that doesn't really prove anything and I'm sure you'll try to find some way to say x =! y anyway. All I can really say is you're wrong and leave it at that. Don't like it? Quit taking shots from the sidelines and commit with a vote on me.

nope. you don't get to sit there and hide bc "omg your vote isn't on me!!1". that has nothing to do with the validity of my case on you. and I JUST SAID THIS AND ASKED YOU TO BACK UP THIS STATEMENT AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T BACKED IT UP. you can't run away anymore ~

it's not semantics. it's flat-out you're trying to trap people into scumreads with BS questions which is scummy in itself BUT ON TOP OF THAT it's smth that appears relatively often in your scumgames but not in your towngames, with the underlying logic to back it up (which is what I explained that I realized was missing from my big meta-dive post). but ok I'll explain just this once <3

Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

in addition to looking fake as fuck, this question is stupid. as town, kagami wouldn't be firing on all cylinders yet. so by making her post when she's not at 100% then you can go "omg you're [not at 100%] you must be scum", where [not at 100%] is anything that results of her not being at 100%. also what makes you think activity is alignment indicative for her? as scum shit like this is really easy to pick up on and then you can point it out and boom you have an objective scumtell that you can push without even having to think if said action comes from town or scum motivation

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

this question is bad. it's a really easy angle for scum to push. and you're pushing it without thinking about if her lack of reads actually comes from scum motivation

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

^

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

REALLY? do you really think joining a game you're not willing to commit to for a while is alignment indicative? what the fuck? this is a flat out filler question case in point. it allows you to sit there and look like you're scumhunting without doing jack and shit

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

same as the one 2 above this

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

yet another easy angle. and what made you believe smth like this would necessarily be in a previous town game? it feels more like scum busywork than actual qusetioning

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

same as the one 2 above this

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

you haven't backed up this statement with evidence despite the fact I've asked you several times. is it really that hard? the fact you're so hesitant to back this up, IMO, indicates you can't actually back it up bc it's fake as fuck. you should also know from AA:MFA how my vote didn't match whoever I was pressuring several times and I was town in that game

all these questions are examples of weak, easy angles that I found completely lacking in your towngames. explain yourself or die :>

Best points a man has seen against Kaze yet

[Jaqen Hghar]

But, would pie lend his vote this day that a man will return the favor on the morrow?

[Kazekirimaru]

Have fun with that whole "or die" thing.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man does see where you are, but all the same

[pieguyn]

I've got a better idea

shoot: Kaze

I'm a 1-shot dayvig. I crumbed having a confirmale role in 635 and softed it several times with the "you'll never mislynch me". if you're town I don't regret this shot at all bc this is so anti-town idgaf; if you're scum, die scumfuck :>

[pieguyn]

But, would pie lend his vote this day that a man will return the favor on the morrow?

I'm already on GCBC

note how kaze used that as an excuse to dodge all my points. note also how he's scum

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm really not sure how you posit any of those quotes have anything to do with my alignment.

I mean, yeah. Not all of those questions were pertinent to alignment. What of it? You know by now my method of scumhunting includes asking all sorts of questions in order to get an idea of my subject's mindset. You know that. I've told you before and you have claimed to have understood such things. Your supposed cases against me make it obvious to me that you understand nothing.

You can shout from the rooftops that asking questions like that is my scum meta all you like but all I can really do in return is say "nuh uh, you're wrong" and let you do your thing.

PEDIT: that better be a fake shot oh my fucking god you fucking idiot motherfucker